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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 14:16

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 14:07

I’m fully aware of the cruelty of humans! OP cannot be compared to those people. Imo, OP and her partner went far beyond what most would have done for their dog, and only had it pts when there was no other solution. They tried everything possible, and it was clear it wasn’t going to work. In their position, any sane person would have done exactly as they did. It worries and disturbs me that anyone would think otherwise. The OP can comfort herself, safe in the knowledge that the dog had the best possible life in the circumstances, and then go on to enjoy her baby.

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I didn't compare her I was explaining cruelty as you said that people do not do such things and my point was - yes they do. If you did read that and think it was a comparison about her and them then that is your subconscious thinking that.

There was a solution. It worries me that people do not think logically and take the easy option whether is is immoral or not. She put her baby at risk and the dog at risk to meet her desires.

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 14:07

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:54

Some people do all kinds of immoral things to animals. If you think the world is full of kind souls then here is news for you. Some tie bricks round their necks and throw them into a canal when they become a burden and the owners want something else.

Their baby wouldn't have been at risk. They put the baby at risk. They had the baby knowing full well the dog would have to be put down or the baby would be bitten. Irresponsible.

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I’m fully aware of the cruelty of humans! OP cannot be compared to those people. Imo, OP and her partner went far beyond what most would have done for their dog, and only had it pts when there was no other solution. They tried everything possible, and it was clear it wasn’t going to work. In their position, any sane person would have done exactly as they did. It worries and disturbs me that anyone would think otherwise. The OP can comfort herself, safe in the knowledge that the dog had the best possible life in the circumstances, and then go on to enjoy her baby.

AllrightNowBaby · 23/03/2025 13:58

I am a massive dog lover but I agree you did the right thing.
You will naturally be sad but you should not feel guilty.

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:54

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:42

No one puts their dog down because they want to go on holiday. They arrange care! The OP’s situation cannot be compared to your example. Their baby was at risk, and OP would never have forgiven herself if the dog had attacked him/her. Anyone reading the OP’s posts would have come to the same conclusion-If not, there’s something wrong with them!

Some people do all kinds of immoral things to animals. If you think the world is full of kind souls then here is news for you. Some tie bricks round their necks and throw them into a canal when they become a burden and the owners want something else.

Their baby wouldn't have been at risk. They put the baby at risk. They had the baby knowing full well the dog would have to be put down or the baby would be bitten. Irresponsible.

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:51

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:37

So, she’s supposed to wait for maybe many years, while her fertility wanes? Yes her wants should come first! That is not selfish! It would have been cruel and irresponsible for OP to keep her dog alive when it was suffering, unpredictable and potentially dangerous.

The dog is 14! Dogs do not live 'many years' after that. She was in her 30s so her fertility wasn't going to dive off a cliff edge with age.

How do we know the dog was suffering? My dog is reactive and is living the life of riley! Loves life! Currently warming his bollocks by the patio doors while cuddling his favourite stuffy. Being reactive doesn't mean the dog 'suffers'.

So you mean if the dog was suffering she was cruel as she kept it alive for 14 years suffering all that time? Why is it suddenly cruel after 14 years when she wants a child but ok before that?

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 23/03/2025 13:49

JaneyDC · 23/03/2025 13:43

OP should not wait to have a child because she has a dog. What a ridiculous thing to say. Imagine missing chance to have a baby because you put a dog first. Unbelievable.

Imagine being on your death bed and thinking, "I wish I were surrounded by children and grandchildren, but hey, I'd sacrifice it all again for that terrier we had 50 years ago. Such a shame he bit that man in the park and had to be put down anyway."

JaneyDC · 23/03/2025 13:43

OP should not wait to have a child because she has a dog. What a ridiculous thing to say. Imagine missing chance to have a baby because you put a dog first. Unbelievable.

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:42

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:36

Why is it? This person put their desires over the life of the dog. Going on holiday and putting the dog down is putting my desires over the life of the dog.

The comment was that wants should and do come first. Or is that not applicable now?

I think it is ridiculous to kill a dog because you want to start a family but hey in my eyes both can happen at different times so not to impact on one or the other but that would to too sensible!

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No one puts their dog down because they want to go on holiday. They arrange care! The OP’s situation cannot be compared to your example. Their baby was at risk, and OP would never have forgiven herself if the dog had attacked him/her. Anyone reading the OP’s posts would have come to the same conclusion-If not, there’s something wrong with them!

JaneyDC · 23/03/2025 13:42

Baby humans are, without a doubt, more important than dogs. OP, you definitely did the right thing. You tried and ultimately it did not work out. You both did the right thing to protect your innocent baby.

All the posters disagreeing with you disgust me. It is disgusting that they would quite clearly value their dog above their own child, thus opening them up to all sorts of danger. "My dog would NEVER do that" is too often quoted, until suddenly the pet DOES do something like that and it's too late.

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:37

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:33

The alternative would be to wait to have a child then both could be enjoyed without harming either.

So, she’s supposed to wait for maybe many years, while her fertility wanes? Yes her wants should come first! That is not selfish! It would have been cruel and irresponsible for OP to keep her dog alive when it was suffering, unpredictable and potentially dangerous.

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:36

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:33

Ridiculous response!

Why is it? This person put their desires over the life of the dog. Going on holiday and putting the dog down is putting my desires over the life of the dog.

The comment was that wants should and do come first. Or is that not applicable now?

I think it is ridiculous to kill a dog because you want to start a family but hey in my eyes both can happen at different times so not to impact on one or the other but that would to too sensible!

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:33

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:32

Any sane person would put a child before a dog! It’s a no brainer. There is no doubt in my mind that the OP did the right thing. A very real risk to her baby has been averted. We could have been reading about yet another tragedy, if she had not taken action, and she would have been blamed. Her dog had the very best care and attention in his long life. There was no alternative.

The alternative would be to wait to have a child then both could be enjoyed without harming either.

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:33

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:27

So I want to go on holiday. Should I kill my dog because I want to go? Remember - wants should and do come first!

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Ridiculous response!

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:32

Any sane person would put a child before a dog! It’s a no brainer. There is no doubt in my mind that the OP did the right thing. A very real risk to her baby has been averted. We could have been reading about yet another tragedy, if she had not taken action, and she would have been blamed. Her dog had the very best care and attention in his long life. There was no alternative.

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 13:27

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:25

Her wants should and do come first!

So I want to go on holiday. Should I kill my dog because I want to go? Remember - wants should and do come first!

Bignanna · 23/03/2025 13:25

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:41

It didn't pose a risk until the OP decided her wants came first. Her wants put the dog at risk and the child.

Her wants should and do come first!

LittleCharlotte · 23/03/2025 13:25

No, he wasn't. Whether you believe in God or not , Jesus was a historical figure.

SquashedSquid · 23/03/2025 12:51

Well, he didn't though because he's a fictional character.

LittleCharlotte · 23/03/2025 12:27

SquashedSquid · 23/03/2025 11:13

I wouldn't save him either.

He saved others. Himself He did not save. But I reckon He'd make an exception for you and be distracted by something shiny when you need saving... and who can blame Him.

OP, block all the madduns, perhaps set up a direct debit to an animal rescue shelter so you can help more animals like the dog you loved for 14 years and enjoy your baby. X

Skinthin · 23/03/2025 11:40

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 11:06

@Skinthin their values no, but their actions and behaviour absolutely. If the OP knew the dog was dangerous and decided to value the right of her dog to a few more years of life over the safety of her baby and something happened to her baby, she absolutely could be done for neglect or worse.

@SquashedSquid Jesus fucking Christ 😂😂

Yes people are responsible for making sure their dogs don’t harm others and rightly so, however they are not legally required to save your children in a fire/ flood over their own beloved dog or value the lives of your children more than theirs which is what we were discussing.

SquashedSquid · 23/03/2025 11:13

I wouldn't save him either.

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 11:06

@Skinthin their values no, but their actions and behaviour absolutely. If the OP knew the dog was dangerous and decided to value the right of her dog to a few more years of life over the safety of her baby and something happened to her baby, she absolutely could be done for neglect or worse.

@SquashedSquid Jesus fucking Christ 😂😂

Thelnebriati · 23/03/2025 10:55

What first attracted you to Mumsnet?

SquashedSquid · 23/03/2025 10:49

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:35

@Skinthin , I think you will probably find that according to the vast majority of people in society and the law as well, she should be required to value a human life over that of her pet.

Yeah, fuck that. Why should I give a shit about someone's random child? If the ridiculous scenario ever came up, obviously I'm going to save my precious family member over a complete stranger who means nothing to me. I don't understand why that's so hard for you to comprehend. My dog literally saves my life. Someone's random baby is their problem.

Skinthin · 23/03/2025 10:36

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:35

@Skinthin , I think you will probably find that according to the vast majority of people in society and the law as well, she should be required to value a human life over that of her pet.

and the law as well, she should be required to value a human life over that of her pet.

where is the law that mandates pp’s values please?