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whodafish · 18/03/2025 12:53

My family were close up until my brother and wife had their kids. At that point I found myself frozen out. My mum and dad didn't want to take sides in this so allowed my DB to dictate what I was invited to and I was only welcome at my parents when my DB wasn't there.

Me and my partner spend a lot of time with his family, lovely days out, family lunches etc. My mum is now jealous because "we" don't spend equal time with her. My issue is days out with his family are fun- there's kids, chaos, lots of people and laughter. My family is just my older parents, Sunday lunch and we both find it a chore. If we had the family days that I remember with my DB, SIL and parents and it was a bit more lively then it would be different.

Just because we spend 4 hours with his family, doesn't then mean I owe 4 hours to mine? Am I wrong for thinking like this.

Before you all ask, my dog who comes everywhere with me and was by my side through an abusive relationship is the reason my DB didn't want me around the baby. I don't go anywhere without my dog, she is well behaved, good with kids and babies and always on a lead around friends babies. She was always welcome at family events and homes previously. I get it is up to my brother whether he wants a dog around his kid- he doesn't that's fine.

I don't want to spend more time with my family, I'm just resenting the suggestion that I now owe them time because of time spent with the in-laws. My mother was never bothered to see me until she saw I was going out with MIL.

OP posts:
Brefugee · 18/03/2025 14:07

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:23

But I don't want to see them. I find my parents stuffy and hardwork and my brother high-handed and dictatorial. I keep contact with my parents, but I am resenting the suggestion that I owe them time because I spend time with my partners family.

meh - you obviously don't like them so why not just say "no, you're too boring" and leave it at that?

LoveWine123 · 18/03/2025 14:03

What does your brother say about the dog, what are his reasons?

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 13:59

wishiwasjoking · 18/03/2025 13:57

Do you not believe in therapy dogs and guide dogs either? Or do you just think blind people never visit the dentist?

Guide dogs go through very rigorous training, it’s hardly the same don’t be ridiculous.

wishiwasjoking · 18/03/2025 13:57

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 13:27

You don’t ever go to the dentist? GP? Get a hair cut?
You’re never, ever apart from your dog? I honestly find that very unlikely.
A relative has an annoying jumpy spaniel and my toddlers hate being around it, it scare them, tries to steal their food, gets in their face etc and I would also plan to be at relatives home when the dog wasn’t there.
I find it pretty bizarre you would rather not have any relationship with your brother and husband family than ever spend an hour without your dog in someone else’s home.

Do you not believe in therapy dogs and guide dogs either? Or do you just think blind people never visit the dentist?

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 13:57

Lilacbutterflies007 · 18/03/2025 13:48

I don’t own a dog, but I don’t understand why anyone doesn’t see this as bizarre. As a parent, do I have the right to tell someone “I won’t go to the park with DS if you bring your dog along” so weird!!

Why is it weird? The don’t like the dog around their children, the reasons for that are usually pretty clear, so of course they are reasonable to say the won’t be going out with the dog. Honestly a park with kids running around and playing can be one of the worst places for dogs to be.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2025 13:56

Just to be aware OP, she might be 8 and not a jumper but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_syndrome can happen. Did to my DGF’s dog.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2025 13:55

Whitelight25 · 18/03/2025 13:46

It sounds quite complicated and not just about one thing. No, there's no law that says you have to spend equal time with each family, but your mum is upset that you don't want to visit more often and perhaps knows it is because you find her and your dad boring. Which is sad for her.
There seems to be a completely separate issue with your brother who doesn't want dogs around his baby.

Mum is upset that OP clearly loves the dog more than any member of her family.

Which is a choice OP is free to make. I wouldn’t. She has. Some people REALLY don’t like dogs around their kids. For very good reasons. There is a child in my family with facial scars from a previously very well-trained dog, owned by a very responsible owner. The dog got sick, was in pain, unknown to everyone, went at the child. Spaniels have form for mental issues that can cause the same.

OP if you aren’t going to chance the set-up, tell them. And just stick to it.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:53

Fargo79 · 18/03/2025 13:47

I bet if we all asked the DB he'd say the dog is annoying, badly behaved and treated like a baby by OP who won't do anything to stop it jumping around the kids.

There's a reason they don't want their children around the dogs. You haven't been asked to accommodate anyone; they've just collectively said that they are no longer willing/able to accommodate your pet like they've been doing for years because the family now includes children and for whatever reason (my suspicion is as above) they don't feel the dog is compatible any more.

You're trying to spin it as though they're the entitled ones but it doesn't sound like that to me.

She's 8 years old and really not a jumper. Around friends kids I have her on a lead, but many of my friends ask for their kids to see her because she is so gentle.

OP posts:
Fargo79 · 18/03/2025 13:52

Lilacbutterflies007 · 18/03/2025 13:48

I don’t own a dog, but I don’t understand why anyone doesn’t see this as bizarre. As a parent, do I have the right to tell someone “I won’t go to the park with DS if you bring your dog along” so weird!!

Of course. You can choose where you take your child, or don't take them.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:50

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 18/03/2025 13:47

You don’t owe your parents equal amount of time, but I can imagine your parents are sad that you clearly don’t want to spend time with them. The brother/dog scenario is a bit of a red herring, although I think both you and your brother have a degree of unreasonableness about that. But I don’t really think it’s about your parents allowing him to freeze you out, your brother doesn’t want to spend time with your dog, you don’t want to spend time without your dog - your parents can’t make either of you change your mind, the only option for them is to see you separately.

One one hand you say you don’t see your parents more because you don’t spend time together as a group with your extended family, but on the other hand you don’t like any of them very much and don’t actually want to spend more time with any of them.

I feel a bit sad for your parents, you’ve not mentioned I don’t think if you have suggested alternatives to a boring Sunday lunch like inviting them on a long walk at a NT place or a pub lunch out. But ultimately if you don’t enjoy their company and don’t want to make an effort to spend time with them you should own that. It’s nothing to do with your brother or parents actions.

Mum likes to impress. So for her she wants us round and to get out the crystal and pull out all the stops. (which she can't do any more with my brother 😂)

For me I'd prefer to go for a walk or whatever, but she wants my partner to be "impressed". Its just not what we're about.

OP posts:
Lilacbutterflies007 · 18/03/2025 13:48

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 13:44

Why is it bizzare? The OP is free to meet her parents in any of those places with her dog, the brother is just saying he won’t be bringing his kids along.
The dog is probably poorly trained and the OP refuses to deal with it. Too many people think it’s cute when their dog is all over a young child.

I don’t own a dog, but I don’t understand why anyone doesn’t see this as bizarre. As a parent, do I have the right to tell someone “I won’t go to the park with DS if you bring your dog along” so weird!!

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:47

LittleCharlotte · 18/03/2025 13:44

My dog comes to church with me.

I adore him but I understand not everyone likes dogs so if your brother has asked you not to take your dog to their house you have to respect it unfortunately. They may well soften when their child is older.

My dog has also been to church, once or twice, but its not a regular thing!

They might soften. I wont now. They've made their position clear, they don't get to pick up the relationship when it works for them again.

OP posts:
Fargo79 · 18/03/2025 13:47

I bet if we all asked the DB he'd say the dog is annoying, badly behaved and treated like a baby by OP who won't do anything to stop it jumping around the kids.

There's a reason they don't want their children around the dogs. You haven't been asked to accommodate anyone; they've just collectively said that they are no longer willing/able to accommodate your pet like they've been doing for years because the family now includes children and for whatever reason (my suspicion is as above) they don't feel the dog is compatible any more.

You're trying to spin it as though they're the entitled ones but it doesn't sound like that to me.

WhatWouldTheDoctorDo · 18/03/2025 13:47

You don’t owe your parents equal amount of time, but I can imagine your parents are sad that you clearly don’t want to spend time with them. The brother/dog scenario is a bit of a red herring, although I think both you and your brother have a degree of unreasonableness about that. But I don’t really think it’s about your parents allowing him to freeze you out, your brother doesn’t want to spend time with your dog, you don’t want to spend time without your dog - your parents can’t make either of you change your mind, the only option for them is to see you separately.

One one hand you say you don’t see your parents more because you don’t spend time together as a group with your extended family, but on the other hand you don’t like any of them very much and don’t actually want to spend more time with any of them.

I feel a bit sad for your parents, you’ve not mentioned I don’t think if you have suggested alternatives to a boring Sunday lunch like inviting them on a long walk at a NT place or a pub lunch out. But ultimately if you don’t enjoy their company and don’t want to make an effort to spend time with them you should own that. It’s nothing to do with your brother or parents actions.

Whitelight25 · 18/03/2025 13:46

It sounds quite complicated and not just about one thing. No, there's no law that says you have to spend equal time with each family, but your mum is upset that you don't want to visit more often and perhaps knows it is because you find her and your dad boring. Which is sad for her.
There seems to be a completely separate issue with your brother who doesn't want dogs around his baby.

LittleCharlotte · 18/03/2025 13:44

My dog comes to church with me.

I adore him but I understand not everyone likes dogs so if your brother has asked you not to take your dog to their house you have to respect it unfortunately. They may well soften when their child is older.

Noonecaresifyounamechange · 18/03/2025 13:44

So you can’t leave your dog for 3 hours once a month to go on a play date with your niece or nephew? Bizarre.

it sounds like you’ve made your choice. Simple explain to your partners & brother that your dog is more important than a relationship with your family and that you in-laws are more accommodating to this therefore it’s easier to spend time with them. Ask them if they are willing to spend time with your dog (walks/ park etc) and if they say no then there’s not much else you/ they can do.

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 13:44

Lilacbutterflies007 · 18/03/2025 13:35

This is my opinion too. Totally bizarre that DB and wife have dictated that dog isn’t even invited for outdoor / pub / public places…

Why is it bizzare? The OP is free to meet her parents in any of those places with her dog, the brother is just saying he won’t be bringing his kids along.
The dog is probably poorly trained and the OP refuses to deal with it. Too many people think it’s cute when their dog is all over a young child.

Namechangean · 18/03/2025 13:41

The dog is a red herring, it has nothing to do with your situation as youve literally said regardless of dog you don’t want to see them much.

That’s your decision. You don’t have to see them. I think it’s unfair to place blame on your brother as he has every right to not want a dog around a young child. You could see them all without dog or see parents alone but you don’t want that.

If your parents are otherwise nice people I’d probably give your head a wobble about not wanting to visit them often because if you and DP split he’ll still have a close relationship with his family but you won’t have much of one left

sevenIsNewEight · 18/03/2025 13:41

To your question, you don't owe them the same time as you spend with your partner's family.

However, can't you (while not aiming for the same time) change the meetings with your parents to be more enjoyable? Even if it is a walk, meal out, a gallery visit (ok, maybe not a gallery visit, because of the dog).
Ask about them, how they lived through a history milestones when they were younger. Make it an experience.

We don't spend the same amount of time with both sets of parents, nor do we spend it in the same way, but we found a way we can enjoy with both.

Btw, about the dog, just out of curiosity. Would you be willing and able to ensure the dog wouldn't lick the child? I find dog licking absolutely gross, and the idea of a dog licking child's face is absolutely revolting to me. I wouldn't be able to take my baby to meet the people unable to respect that and prevent their dog from doing it.

Agapornis · 18/03/2025 13:39

Didn't you post about this a few days ago? That OP also had a spaniel. What has changed?

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:37

festivemouse · 18/03/2025 13:31

I’m sorry but you did what they wanted for 6months - they can’t expect you to never want to do anything all together (including the dog again!). Did they offer 6 months of doing things involving the dog? If they want to do things their way, that’s fine - and if your parents don’t want to do things that allow you to all be together occasionally as you did previously, that’s also fine. They can’t however get annoyed that you’d rather spend your time doing things you want to do, with people you want to do them with. Spending a day wandering around a national trust property with your PIL doesn’t mean you owe your parents a day sat inside being stuffy at all!

Im not sure why coming to your house, meeting at your parents with the dog or meeting somewhere outdoorsy or neutral isn’t an option for your brother, I’m also not sure why your parents are letting him totally decide the status quo!

Exactly. And we might meet in a park where there would be other dogs running around but I'd be asked to leave mine at home. If my brother isn't at my parents then my dog is welcome.

I was happy to accommodate them in the early days, and thought they would calm down, but that never happened and so I stopped seeing them.

OP posts:
Lilacbutterflies007 · 18/03/2025 13:35

festivemouse · 18/03/2025 13:31

I’m sorry but you did what they wanted for 6months - they can’t expect you to never want to do anything all together (including the dog again!). Did they offer 6 months of doing things involving the dog? If they want to do things their way, that’s fine - and if your parents don’t want to do things that allow you to all be together occasionally as you did previously, that’s also fine. They can’t however get annoyed that you’d rather spend your time doing things you want to do, with people you want to do them with. Spending a day wandering around a national trust property with your PIL doesn’t mean you owe your parents a day sat inside being stuffy at all!

Im not sure why coming to your house, meeting at your parents with the dog or meeting somewhere outdoorsy or neutral isn’t an option for your brother, I’m also not sure why your parents are letting him totally decide the status quo!

This is my opinion too. Totally bizarre that DB and wife have dictated that dog isn’t even invited for outdoor / pub / public places…

sweeneytoddsrazor · 18/03/2025 13:33

Well I can understand her being hurt. The dog is a red herring really because you are saying spending time with your parents is boring and you don't want to spend time with them. Yes that is going to hurt them. If you find it easier to spend time with them when your brother and the children are in attendance then leaving the dog at home isn't a big ask.

festivemouse · 18/03/2025 13:31

I’m sorry but you did what they wanted for 6months - they can’t expect you to never want to do anything all together (including the dog again!). Did they offer 6 months of doing things involving the dog? If they want to do things their way, that’s fine - and if your parents don’t want to do things that allow you to all be together occasionally as you did previously, that’s also fine. They can’t however get annoyed that you’d rather spend your time doing things you want to do, with people you want to do them with. Spending a day wandering around a national trust property with your PIL doesn’t mean you owe your parents a day sat inside being stuffy at all!

Im not sure why coming to your house, meeting at your parents with the dog or meeting somewhere outdoorsy or neutral isn’t an option for your brother, I’m also not sure why your parents are letting him totally decide the status quo!

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