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whodafish · 18/03/2025 12:53

My family were close up until my brother and wife had their kids. At that point I found myself frozen out. My mum and dad didn't want to take sides in this so allowed my DB to dictate what I was invited to and I was only welcome at my parents when my DB wasn't there.

Me and my partner spend a lot of time with his family, lovely days out, family lunches etc. My mum is now jealous because "we" don't spend equal time with her. My issue is days out with his family are fun- there's kids, chaos, lots of people and laughter. My family is just my older parents, Sunday lunch and we both find it a chore. If we had the family days that I remember with my DB, SIL and parents and it was a bit more lively then it would be different.

Just because we spend 4 hours with his family, doesn't then mean I owe 4 hours to mine? Am I wrong for thinking like this.

Before you all ask, my dog who comes everywhere with me and was by my side through an abusive relationship is the reason my DB didn't want me around the baby. I don't go anywhere without my dog, she is well behaved, good with kids and babies and always on a lead around friends babies. She was always welcome at family events and homes previously. I get it is up to my brother whether he wants a dog around his kid- he doesn't that's fine.

I don't want to spend more time with my family, I'm just resenting the suggestion that I now owe them time because of time spent with the in-laws. My mother was never bothered to see me until she saw I was going out with MIL.

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/03/2025 15:19

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:12

I want things how they used to be. They will never be that. My parents alone are very staid.

Children and new partners/marriages do change dynamics. From reading your posts, it does feel a little like you wanted your dog to be allowed very quickly.

I had a dog when DD was born, so obviously she had a dog round her at all times, but that relationship was monitored by me and DH as her parents and the owner of the dog. We had full control over their interactions, the dog would listen to us if we said no, no one was going to be upset if we stepped in to stop something we didn't like or saw as potentially dangerous. And that goes for either dog or child behaviour.

At 6 months, even as a dog owner, because DD was starting to move and she had unpredictable movements (which can spook even the calmest of dogs), I wouldn't have wanted any other dog I couldn't be sure would meet all the criteria I outlined above to be around her. Now she's 3 it's much less worrying, she understands more, isn't scared by dogs etc.

Six months isn't a lot of time to be comfortable that your brand new, constantly changing, child is going to be ok with an animal that isn't yours. Maybe if you'd given it more time it would have been the same. Maybe it still could be.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:18

Fargo79 · 18/03/2025 15:16

There's a really simple compromise but you won't leave your pet home for a couple of hours. If you wanted to see your brother and parents then you could easily do so. You're the only one getting in the way. Seems pointless spending all this time hand wringing over it.

That's not a compromise. A compromise is give on both sides.

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TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 18/03/2025 15:18

beetr00 · 18/03/2025 14:13

@whodafish just unravelling your posts

I don't go anywhere without my dog,

I don't want to leave my dog behind, she's my family

At 6 months I quite frankly thought the whole situation was ridiculous so stopped.

am I obligated to spend equal time with mine?

I'm not punishing my parents. I just don't enjoy spending time with them

For me I'd prefer to go for a walk or whatever, but she wants my partner to be "impressed". Its just not what we're about.

Around friends kids I have her on a lead

Your dog, it seems, is the most important thing in your life, to the detriment of your family?

That's ok, if that's what YOU want

Yes, it's coming through loud and clear that the dog is family to the OP (and as a pet owner I understand that). As a parent, I understand that my son isn't wanted everywhere, not do I want him everywhere either!

I can see that it would hurt to realise that the dog doesn't mean the same as an actual grandchild, and has been "usurped" by it.

But I would also feel punched in the gut as a sibling/parent if my siblings/child chose to not bother with my son/me because of their dog, who can be left with a partner occasionally.

A dog won't ever think that you got boring and fusty with age, but I'd hope my son one day tolerates me becoming a bit annoying. Due to the whole, "gave him life and supported him" stuff (assuming I do a half-decent job of raising him of course).

Brutally, OP, this dog WILL die before your family. Don't fail to nurture your relationships because you invested it all in the dog.

Hadalifeonce · 18/03/2025 15:17

You don't owe your family the same time as you spend with your in-laws, but..... I refuse to have dogs in my house, I would be disappointed that my sister was not prepared to leave her dog at home to visit family, but that is the choice you have made.

Fargo79 · 18/03/2025 15:16

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:12

I want things how they used to be. They will never be that. My parents alone are very staid.

There's a really simple compromise but you won't leave your pet home for a couple of hours. If you wanted to see your brother and parents then you could easily do so. You're the only one getting in the way. Seems pointless spending all this time hand wringing over it.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:15

beetr00 · 18/03/2025 15:12

@whodafish it is very difficult when you feel so let down by significant family, I do understand.

Going forward, what would YOU want to happen, to enable everyone to resolve?

I want things as they are at the moment, without the complaining from my mother. Nice days out, with DP family. See my parents every few weeks. What I am struggling with is the guilt-tripping from my mother that she doesn't get what they have.

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Bailamosse · 18/03/2025 15:14

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:12

I want things how they used to be. They will never be that. My parents alone are very staid.

Because you are demanding your dog goes everywhere you go.

You froze yourself out.

I am a dog owner, but it’s crazy to think other people must accept your dog as family at all times

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 15:14

Pick a lane, I want things to be how they used to be, I don’t want to see my brother, I don’t want to be without my dog, I’m happy to compromise …

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:12

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/03/2025 15:09

Your OP literally says that you would spend more time with them if your brother and SIL were there too.

I want things how they used to be. They will never be that. My parents alone are very staid.

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beetr00 · 18/03/2025 15:12

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:03

They weren't bothered to see me, I left an abusive relationship and was left feeling desperately lonely because they were all too busy. They wouldn't care now apart from my mum sees x and therefore thinks she is entitled to the same and she sees days that look "instagrammable" and wants the same

@whodafish it is very difficult when you feel so let down by significant family, I do understand.

Going forward, what would YOU want to happen, to enable everyone to resolve?

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:11

Goldbar · 18/03/2025 15:10

Of course your parents aren't entitled to equal time. But the wider issue here is that none of you value your family relationships sufficiently to make reasonable compromises.

according to this, I am the only one expected to compromise. And that is doing exactly what my brother wants, which I did, for six months.

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Goldbar · 18/03/2025 15:10

Of course your parents aren't entitled to equal time. But the wider issue here is that none of you value your family relationships sufficiently to make reasonable compromises.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/03/2025 15:09

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:06

I dont want to spend time with my brother. I just dont want to spend any more time with my parents.

Your OP literally says that you would spend more time with them if your brother and SIL were there too.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:06

Hoppinggreen · 18/03/2025 15:04

Right, so you refused to go because your dog wasn't allowed?
I love my dog but its up to people whether they want him in their house or not and/or around their child.
Its your fault you can't spend time with your brother

I dont want to spend time with my brother. I just dont want to spend any more time with my parents.

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Hoppinggreen · 18/03/2025 15:04

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:13

Until the baby was about 6 months old I left my dog at home and went to visit them. At 6 months I quite frankly thought the whole situation was ridiculous so stopped.

Right, so you refused to go because your dog wasn't allowed?
I love my dog but its up to people whether they want him in their house or not and/or around their child.
Its your fault you can't spend time with your brother

whodafish · 18/03/2025 15:03

beetr00 · 18/03/2025 14:54

therein lies your answer @whodafish

"they were never that bothered until they started playing the comparison game"

My family were close up until my brother and wife had their kids. At that point I found myself frozen out.

So very sad for you @whodafish could you possibly realise that dogs are not the same as children?

They weren't bothered to see me, I left an abusive relationship and was left feeling desperately lonely because they were all too busy. They wouldn't care now apart from my mum sees x and therefore thinks she is entitled to the same and she sees days that look "instagrammable" and wants the same

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/03/2025 14:57

OneWaryCat · 18/03/2025 14:55

I feel a bit sorry for your parents to be honest. Can you not also invite them to join your in-laws for a few days out/walks etc? They might be a bit of a drag but it's the kind thing to do and a group of people might take the edge of the situation and make it more fun and relaxed.

In the future, lets hope your own children don't prefer spending time with their in-laws over you and DH! Imagine how you'd feel then.

Or maybe take your parents for a NT visit along with the dog if the dog is the most important thing to OP (I say this as a fellow dog person who would take hers everywhere if possible but doesn't because you can't)

OneWaryCat · 18/03/2025 14:55

I feel a bit sorry for your parents to be honest. Can you not also invite them to join your in-laws for a few days out/walks etc? They might be a bit of a drag but it's the kind thing to do and a group of people might take the edge of the situation and make it more fun and relaxed.

In the future, lets hope your own children don't prefer spending time with their in-laws over you and DH! Imagine how you'd feel then.

beetr00 · 18/03/2025 14:54

therein lies your answer @whodafish

"they were never that bothered until they started playing the comparison game"

My family were close up until my brother and wife had their kids. At that point I found myself frozen out.

So very sad for you @whodafish could you possibly realise that dogs are not the same as children?

Annettecurtaintwitcher · 18/03/2025 14:49

Honestly, you are being inflexible. It sounds like you could have family get togethers with your parents and you brother’s family but you won’t because you won’t go anywhere without your dog. You have essentially chosen your dog over your family so unless there is a backstory here you are being a bit mean.

Chungai · 18/03/2025 14:47

whodafish · 18/03/2025 13:47

My dog has also been to church, once or twice, but its not a regular thing!

They might soften. I wont now. They've made their position clear, they don't get to pick up the relationship when it works for them again.

You call your brother dictatorial but you're coming across as inflexible and dictatorial here.

I do think both you and your brother are BU.

As for time spent, it sounds like your parents aren't important to you so spend time how you like and hope you don't need them for anything in return.

UndermyShoeJoe · 18/03/2025 14:47

I don’t like other people’s dogs. Though we no longer have our own either (died)

Id avoid meeting up with family where their dogs are if I can because frankly I don’t trust your dog or that you’d respond in a suitable way if something happened which would lead to a whole new layer of family issues. I can’t ban the public walking their dogs near a park, but I can just decide not to meet up if I get a hey want to come for a walk with me, dh and dDog, I can decide actually I’m not going to a dog friendly pub and that I won’t attend a dinner/bbq where a dog will be sniffing around.

You don’t want to spend time with your parents because it’s boring so do duty visits and tbh that’s your right if that’s how you feel. Maybe pop your mum on restricted though so she can’t see the things your SIL tags you in.

You don’t have to spend equal time with anyone.

whodafish · 18/03/2025 14:46

beetr00 · 18/03/2025 14:40

@whodafish are you actually so obtuse NOT to realise why your parents, MAY be "jealous/hurt/confused, that their own daughter prefers spending more time their In-Laws?

Are they, (your parents) that rubbish?

Edited

I just dont want to spend 2 days a month with them, particularly when they were never that bothered until they started playing the comparison game

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IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 18/03/2025 14:43

whodafish · 18/03/2025 14:38

No, I've always known why and was happy to go with it in the early days. It was only when it became clear that they were never going to soften and my dog wasn't going to become welcome that I stopped. I find it very hard when we go to a park and there are other dogs there to find it acceptable.

I think it is quite common (as shown on this thread) for parents to not want dogs around their kids and make that requirement of family so perhaps it is causing resentment and problems in more than one home? I have certainly read a number of other posts over the years of people being told to shut dogs away or families not going to visit parents with dogs and such.

I think it's more normal to accept that some people don't like animals. If my dog wasn't welcome I wouldn't take her, and if it was too long a time period to leave her alone one of us would probably not go (if not both, depending on the event). If my child wasn't welcome I would consider whether it was something I wanted to go to enough to use the good will of a family member for childcare or pay a sitter or for one of us to not attend.

If someone comes to my house they are aware the dog is here and that we aren't shutting her away, so it's their choice whether to visit or not. Same for the child. It's their home as well as mine. Same way it's my sister in law's home and she doesn't want the dog there because it will upset her cats.

It's just basic common courtesy.

BoredZelda · 18/03/2025 14:43

My daughter was terrified of dogs. At OH’s family gatherings there was one family who insisted on having their dog everywhere. We made the decision not to be where they were. Others complained they never saw us there, we couldn’t give a shit. At my family gatherings dogs were shut away. If they hadn’t been, we wouldn’t have gone. My family understood you can’t just magic away a fear of dogs. Now she is 15, we have a dog and it was her choice and she is fine with dogs, we had to deal with her fear in her own time and our own way.

If anyone comes to my house and doesn’t want the dog around, we make sure they feel safe. Dog owners who think dogs trump people were our nightmare. I don’t want to be that way for anyone else.

You don’t have to spend equal time with family, but if you don’t want to even visit them, it’s better if you just tell them that rather than pretending it is about your dog and brother.

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