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Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 09:06

I have had issues with my lying cheating ex for months.
He's got a new girlfriend and he has lied about her name, where she is from and whether she had children, all really small issues that I don't think someone really needs to lie about. It made me think he had something to hide.
Right, now I have found out (he admitted it) that she doesn't have her 3 children in her care full time. Am I right to be concerned about this? I thought it was strange as I've spoken to him a few times during the week and he's in the pub with her at 9 at night, she she seems to always be able to drive him around (this was before I found out she had kids) but now I know she's got kids, I was wondering where they were.
I questioned him last night and he admitted it.
From my understanding it takes quite a lot for a mother to loose custody of her children.
My ex asked me not to say anything about his "colourful past" as she would walk.
Now I understand why he has lied so much, he/they are hiding something.
Should I be concerned about her being around my child 4/5 months in?

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Mummaonherown · 19/03/2025 13:08

@MissDoubleU not in the evenings, my ex works and at that time we were still in regular contact, it was the evening's he used to disappear around 8ish maybe before

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MissDoubleU · 19/03/2025 11:51

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 17:54

@Hollowvoice back in January when he first mentioned someone else (he was still trying it with me, asking for me back at this point) he said that they were seeing each other every day or every other day (at this point I didn't know about her children) but with all the other little things he has said and then taken back, if it's true that they were seeing each other every day or every other day then it just leaves me wondering, where were the kids. All I know it's 3 under 10.

Like I said, something doesn't sit right, I knew who his last gf was we spoke and planned to meet but they spilt not long before we planned to.
It's the lies, I haven't looked into anything apart from seeing her pop up on my FB and on what's app from him using my phone.

Could they have been at school, perhaps?

Swirlingceilings · 18/03/2025 23:01

CJsGoldfish · 18/03/2025 20:00

There is a huge flaw in self reported data? Who is reporting that it starts then?
There are always signs but no one wants to admit that there were and they ignored them and went ahead anyway. There are enough feelings of guilt and shame already.
No, it's easier to say it came out of the blue.
I think it's more a case that children will become the catalyst for women to speak up.

I’d admit I ignored red flags, but it was definitely true that the violence only started once I was pregnant. I don’t think people lie about that, why would they? Plus it’s obvious that it starts then because these men think they own you at that point and that you won’t leave.

FYI I did leave, the very first time it happened, when I was pregnant. Obviously I then realised how many red flags I had missed, but I am not perfect and couldn’t undo the past.

Itsabeautifulthing · 18/03/2025 22:03

Grammarnut · 18/03/2025 12:02

Women who leave their children get huge stick whilst men who do the same get little. There may be reasons why OP's ex's GF doesn't have her DC full-time and they don't have to be because she was abusive of them. In fact, since she has them some week-ends and is unsupervised with them suggests that there is no issue other than that the parenting arrangements are not what OP - and a lot of judgemental people on here - approve of.
OP should keep out of her ex's love life. It's a massive red flag that she doesn't.

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Its not unsupervised if her boyfriend is there though is it? And don't pretend it isn't rare for a woman not to have custody, im not being sexist its just reality. And I'm not saying she definitely is abusive or a drug addict etc but the lying would make me suspicious. The OP is just protecting her children as any one with sense would do.

Farmwifefarmlife · 18/03/2025 20:57

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 09:19

@TY78910 she goes swimming with my son, and has taken her children along it was my son who told me this.
My ex has lied and said she wasn't there (calling our son a liar) and then admitting it later on.
We had a row the other day, where I said he spends more time with her children than his own and he said something along the lines of "that really isn't the case" almost saying they weren't there, but he's at her home pretty much every night, so where are they.
It's all a bit suspect at the moment, there's definitely something being hid from me and it's making me uneasy

Could they be with their farther rather than in care?

Julieju1 · 18/03/2025 20:55

It could all be innocent, or there could be more to it.
Her social media profiles could be false names. I know lots of people who work in jobs that could make them targets online, they use fake names on social media.
Sit down and talk to your ex. Explain your fears.
Perhaps calling social services may help, they can't give you any info about her, but if you explain your worries, they can look her up. If she is a risk to children, they will act on it. This won't work if she is using a fake name online though.
Could you try a Google photo search using her profile photo?

CJsGoldfish · 18/03/2025 20:00

sunshine244 · 18/03/2025 10:56

Pregnancy is the point at which DV is most likely to start. It's common for things to be fine until children are involved.

There is a huge flaw in self reported data? Who is reporting that it starts then?
There are always signs but no one wants to admit that there were and they ignored them and went ahead anyway. There are enough feelings of guilt and shame already.
No, it's easier to say it came out of the blue.
I think it's more a case that children will become the catalyst for women to speak up.

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 17:54

@Hollowvoice back in January when he first mentioned someone else (he was still trying it with me, asking for me back at this point) he said that they were seeing each other every day or every other day (at this point I didn't know about her children) but with all the other little things he has said and then taken back, if it's true that they were seeing each other every day or every other day then it just leaves me wondering, where were the kids. All I know it's 3 under 10.

Like I said, something doesn't sit right, I knew who his last gf was we spoke and planned to meet but they spilt not long before we planned to.
It's the lies, I haven't looked into anything apart from seeing her pop up on my FB and on what's app from him using my phone.

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Odellio · 18/03/2025 17:39

Fair enough of you to have questions.

My SC have the majority custody with us (their Dad, my DH) and not with their mum. This has been ever since they first split, and isn’t for any sinister or big reason other than she didn’t want to have them full time.

I think it’s hard for the majority of mothers to try and understand why a mother wouldn’t want her children, but there are always bizarre exceptions. I personally cannot even try to understand it one bit.

Hollowvoice · 18/03/2025 17:16

Emmz1510 · 18/03/2025 16:24

I’m a social worker and yes you should be concerned. They might be outwith her care because of reasons relating to abuse or neglect, in which case there could be a risk to your children. Tell your ex you want to know more and that she is not to care for your children unattended. Actually, in situations where children are removed from a parent and the social worker becomes aware that the parent has entered a relationship with someone with children, they would usually have a duty of care to investigate, especially if that parent isn’t allowed unsupervised access with their own children.
If your ex isn’t forthcoming with the information, or you have reason to doubt his honesty or commitment to protecting his children, I’d be contacting social services for support and advice.

But OP doesn't know the children are outwith the mother's care. She knows the mother has been to the pub or out on other occasions without her children but that says nothing?
Obviously I don't know all the details but there seems not enough information to assume the girlfriend is an unfit mother.

Harry12345 · 18/03/2025 17:06

cant Believe people making out she has control issues and is harassing him, god forbid anything happened she would be judged for not acting on mothers instinct given the lies that have been told, her gut is saying something is wrong, her ex is a low life and yet she’s being told it’s none of her business! My children’s safety is my business and I would do anything to find out if the person I’m leaving them with is a safe option

Swirlingceilings · 18/03/2025 16:50

crackashark · 18/03/2025 09:13

Can you do a Sarah’s law application? Contact local social services to see if they can advise you?

This! Do this immediately and refuse to let your children go to him until it is done and you have assurance she is safe around your children. It is not likely that she is safe to be around if her kids are in care.

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 16:34

@Hollowvoice I found out the real truth around a day or so later. We haven't spoken for 2 weeks now, only for child arrangements

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Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 16:33

@Hollowvoice yes, around 6 weeks ago, he was denying she existed and there was no one. He asked to use my phone as his phone was dead and I don't have an iPhone charger, told me he was ringing his "friend" (he was over seeing our child on this day)
He didn't delete the number, he thought he did but he didn't.

There's alot more than makes me think there's something he's not telling me, something isn't sitting right with me at all.

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Emmz1510 · 18/03/2025 16:24

I’m a social worker and yes you should be concerned. They might be outwith her care because of reasons relating to abuse or neglect, in which case there could be a risk to your children. Tell your ex you want to know more and that she is not to care for your children unattended. Actually, in situations where children are removed from a parent and the social worker becomes aware that the parent has entered a relationship with someone with children, they would usually have a duty of care to investigate, especially if that parent isn’t allowed unsupervised access with their own children.
If your ex isn’t forthcoming with the information, or you have reason to doubt his honesty or commitment to protecting his children, I’d be contacting social services for support and advice.

Hollowvoice · 18/03/2025 15:41

You don't speak to him but he had access to your phone to call his girlfriend?

There's clearly some stuff going on with your ex but his girlfriend not having her kids all the time doesn't necessarily mean anything. You don't have your son all of the time, sometimes he's with your ex? Maybe she's with him at the pub when her kids are with their other parent? I think it's quite a leap to assume anything more.

pinkyredrose · 18/03/2025 15:37

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 12:41

@LittleOwl153 his last gf told me he hit her, he said she hit him, I have no idea what happened.
His mum had him arrested 2 years ago for hitting her, again I don't know what happened.
He's never hit me but was very controlling and everything was my fault, he changed when I fell pregnant but there was red flags that I completely ignored.
So yeah I suppose that's one of the reasons, he's scared of what I might say.

2 women close to him say he hit them and you're saying you don't know what happened? Do you think he may possibly have . . . hit them?

pinkyredrose · 18/03/2025 15:32

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 09:06

I have had issues with my lying cheating ex for months.
He's got a new girlfriend and he has lied about her name, where she is from and whether she had children, all really small issues that I don't think someone really needs to lie about. It made me think he had something to hide.
Right, now I have found out (he admitted it) that she doesn't have her 3 children in her care full time. Am I right to be concerned about this? I thought it was strange as I've spoken to him a few times during the week and he's in the pub with her at 9 at night, she she seems to always be able to drive him around (this was before I found out she had kids) but now I know she's got kids, I was wondering where they were.
I questioned him last night and he admitted it.
From my understanding it takes quite a lot for a mother to loose custody of her children.
My ex asked me not to say anything about his "colourful past" as she would walk.
Now I understand why he has lied so much, he/they are hiding something.
Should I be concerned about her being around my child 4/5 months in?

Well your child's father doesn't have full time responsibility of his DC either. You don't know her circumstances, there's not much you can do.

MissDoubleU · 18/03/2025 15:28

Clearly he isn’t telling you truths about the new girlfriend because you spoke to his last girlfriend. He doesn’t want you speaking to this one

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 13:16

@PrincessASDaisy I ignored alot, but he changed massively as soon as our son come along.

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PrincessASDaisy · 18/03/2025 12:42

sunshine244 · 18/03/2025 10:56

Pregnancy is the point at which DV is most likely to start. It's common for things to be fine until children are involved.

It often escalates, but there is usually a pattern of behaviour that exists long before. that’s what I’m referring to with the ignoring of red flags

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 12:41

@LittleOwl153 his last gf told me he hit her, he said she hit him, I have no idea what happened.
His mum had him arrested 2 years ago for hitting her, again I don't know what happened.
He's never hit me but was very controlling and everything was my fault, he changed when I fell pregnant but there was red flags that I completely ignored.
So yeah I suppose that's one of the reasons, he's scared of what I might say.

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Lavender14 · 18/03/2025 12:41

Obviously you don't know the reasons why her kids are not in her care - it could be that she's struggled in the past or been a victim of dv and it took her too long/ felt unable to leave and kids were removed to protect them. Young children especially are more likely to be placed in foster to adopt placements and I know a number of women who had their children removed early on but are now in much better places in themselves, but can't get their kids back as they were adopted before they got to that better place. Or possibly she's been unable to afford legal expenses to fight an ex who's got custody/ turned her kids against her.

However I think it would be pertinent to know the reasons why. I would contact social services to see if they've been involved and flag it as a concern so they can assess the situation and will have the full picture. You can't trust your ex (or her) to give you the truth and your responsibility is not to them but to your child. They likely won't be able to tell you anything, but they can make their own assessment.

Spirallingdownwards · 18/03/2025 12:39

When your children go to your existence (their dad's) you don't have your children in your care.

Mummaonherown · 18/03/2025 12:36

@gamerchick we don't speak, the only time we speak is due to child arrangements which he cancels most of the time. He doesn't pay for his son neither.
I don't want him back, I'm quite happy with my life.

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