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Landlord won't sell. Another second home in our dying village

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AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

OP posts:
TeenagersAngst · 18/03/2025 09:14

ladyofshertonabbas · 18/03/2025 09:13

Yanbu, but isn’t nobody policing this EPC rule, so they could let it out?

See my comment above. It doesn't require policing, the rules still allow the LL to rent her property out assuming it's above an E.

ladyofshertonabbas · 18/03/2025 09:13

Yanbu, but isn’t nobody policing this EPC rule, so they could let it out?

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 18/03/2025 09:12

LittleCharlotte · 18/03/2025 08:33

And I'm not saying it hasn't! But holiday lets should be far more tightly controlled. In my town we are crying out for decent rental properties, building more and more houses on our green fields, and properties are getting bought to let out as Airbnb because it's easier than being a proper decent landlord.

The problem with second homes laying empty and holiday lets where local people can't afford to get on the property ladder anymore mostly started with local people selling their properties to outsiders in the first place rather than other locals because they could get more money from outsiders. Now villagers complain that locals can't afford a local property because other locals sold them all to outsiders who were willing to pay more money.

HerOopNorth · 18/03/2025 09:11

SoonTheDaffodilsWillBeOver · 18/03/2025 09:06

This kind of heartless response is the reason everybody dislikes landlords. It’s absolutely OP’s concern - it’s her home!

One odd aspect of this is the desire to leave it empty though. As I understand it empty homes normally attract the same council tax premium as second homes. So if OP is in a 300% premium area the owners might be faced with paying £6-8000 a year to leave it empty, on top of maintainance, insurance etc. Do they realise this? If so, is it worth gently pointing it out? They might change their minds once they realise.

People don't dislike landlords though. Only when they can't get just what they want.

This isn't about he role as a landlord.
This is about an owner not wanting to sell.

That's her choice.

There could be zillions of reasons- maybe even keeping it as a home for an elderly parent, or her children when they are older, or whatever.

It's none of a tenant's business.

All this throwing toys out of the pram because someone can't get what they want....

TeenagersAngst · 18/03/2025 09:11

Her comments on the law changing around the EPC do not make sense. Currently, it's a minimum of E rating which she must have to be legally letting it to you (that was introduced in 2018 for new tenancies and 2020 for existing tenancies).

It's not expected to rise to a C until 2030 for existing tenants and 2028 for new tenants.

So if you leave this year, she most definitely will be able to rent it out again.

MyGhastIsFlabbered · 18/03/2025 09:09

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This is really offensive. I had a home before having children. Then my husband turned into an abusive arsehole and I ended up renting again.

SoonTheDaffodilsWillBeOver · 18/03/2025 09:06

MyNameIsX · 18/03/2025 02:23

It’s their asset to do with as they please - none of which is your concern.

With respect, you need to come to terms with that, and emotionally check out and move on.

We are in a similar position at the moment (where we are the Owners/LL’s).

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This kind of heartless response is the reason everybody dislikes landlords. It’s absolutely OP’s concern - it’s her home!

One odd aspect of this is the desire to leave it empty though. As I understand it empty homes normally attract the same council tax premium as second homes. So if OP is in a 300% premium area the owners might be faced with paying £6-8000 a year to leave it empty, on top of maintainance, insurance etc. Do they realise this? If so, is it worth gently pointing it out? They might change their minds once they realise.

YourAzureEagle · 18/03/2025 09:04

Being in the building trade myself, I'm sure if the landlord needed a satisfactory EPC certificate for the house to re-let they could get one - the whole EPC system and its inspectors is, to say the least, somewhat inconsistent and there are certainly those who keep the customer (ie lettings agents) satisfied.

Getting, entirely legitimate, certification on building where it should never be given is shockingly easy alas.

SocialEvent · 18/03/2025 09:04

OP very seriously. Call the housing charity shelter, explain the situation just as you have here and get advice on the exact type of tenancy you have and what your rights are. They will advise you.

The fact is if your landlord sold with you as a sitting tenant you would reduce the value but if they sell as soon as you’ve gone with the house and garden all spruced up, they would gain extra value from your care of the place. So be wary of any fast unlawful eviction.

And I agree about posting a flyer through every door in the village asking if they want to sell. A private sale would be cheaper for all parties with no estate agent involved.
The good news is whatever happens you now have the money for buying and gaining security outside of this private rental, but I do understand your emotional attachment and moral position on this specific home.

DodoTired · 18/03/2025 09:02

Sorry that sounds entitled. No one is obliged to sell their home to you. Maybe she wants to keep it for sentimental reasons and for her it’s worth the extra council tax and costs. Maybe she naively underestimates the costs of keeping a second property empty.

this can’t be THE ONLY house that you can afford?

AllTheChaos · 18/03/2025 09:00

prelovedusername · 18/03/2025 08:42

Second homes are not the problem. The problem is that people are fussier now about the houses they want to buy. Understandable because property prices are so high but people used to buy the most decrepit doer uppers because it was what they could afford and they could add value by making them habitable. Those properties are still around but nobody wants to take them on.

I agree to an extent, but having had to have work done in my house recently I was shocked by how expensive it is now. I think the massive increases in the cost of materials etc. is changing the maths on such decisions now.

ConnieSlow · 18/03/2025 09:00

I think your entire mentality is so entitled OP. Her reasons have nothing to do with you, if she wants it sitting then that’s her reason. So what if you made upgrades, your son goes to the local school and on and on, really what does it have to do with her. You owe her rent, she gives you a place to stay and that’s the arrangement. The fact that you find it galling tells me how entitled you are.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 18/03/2025 08:59

The landlord may very well want to move back to the house when she and her husband retire. I appreciate how much you l’ve enjoyed living in the house and how much you’d love to stay in it but it’s her house and she doesn’t have to sell it to you or anyone.

All the ifs and buts about how much it’s going to cost the landlord for the house to either be upgraded or sit empty is for the landlord to shoulder.

It’s time to stay househunting… I hope you find something better and take all your lovely garden plants with you!

tropicalroses · 18/03/2025 08:59

IMustDoMoreExercise · 18/03/2025 08:57

Well, then she should be penalised much more than 300% council tax for keeping a property empty.

Yeah, god forbid a woman want some financial independence and protection.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 18/03/2025 08:57

jay55 · 18/03/2025 08:48

She’s married to a farmer, farm ownerships are complex and the house gives her a bit of security. I wouldn’t sell in her position either.

Well, then she should be penalised much more than 300% council tax for keeping a property empty.

LillianGish · 18/03/2025 08:56

You've asked and they've said no so you can do no more - no point tying yourself in knots over this. On the plus side, you are not being evicted so you can take your time looking for your forever home - and you will find it and you'll make it as beautiful as the one you live in now. I sympathise with you - we've lived in a number of rentals over the years while moving around on work postings. We've made every place we lived gorgeous - including creating gardens - because I've wanted every place to feel like home and not just a stop-gap. If you're a homemaker, you'll be a homemaker wherever you live - it's certainly not a case of 'more fool you'. Now you need to divert all that energy into finding a lovely place to buy - and you may be surprised at what's out there (like the List It part of Love it or List It with Phil Spencer!) In the meantime enjoy living in your rental and be happy that you have the chance to jump before you're pushed. Good luck.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 18/03/2025 08:55

The council should increae the tax every year it stays empty. 300% is obviously not enough to deter people like them.

HerOopNorth · 18/03/2025 08:55

whoatherenellie · 18/03/2025 08:53

So many dickhead responses on this thread.

Aren't people allowed to be upset or disappointed about stuff anymore?

So anyone who doesn't think like you is a 'dickhead'?

Lovely.

SapphireSeptember · 18/03/2025 08:54

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You think that people who can't afford to buy a house don't work hard? 🙄 I live in a block of housing association flats. One of the ladies who lives here is a nurse. I'm on maternity leave from my retail job. Have you ever lifted a 25kg bag of screed? (Obviously I couldn't do that when I was pregnant.)
Oh, and we do need people to have kids because we're below replacement rates.

whoatherenellie · 18/03/2025 08:53

So many dickhead responses on this thread.

Aren't people allowed to be upset or disappointed about stuff anymore?

HerOopNorth · 18/03/2025 08:53

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

On the one hand you're saying you can afford to move, on the other you're saying you have to rent' for the rest of your lives'.

A bit contradictory?

And to say it's 'galling' to have spent so much on a rental.

You do know that when you have a mortgage, you will pay interest far in excess of the loan/ value of your house?

If you hadn't rented you'd have been paying out anyway, mainly interest for years , before your payments started reducing the loan.

Fountofwisdom · 18/03/2025 08:52

“All we’ve done is increase the value of someone else’s house.”

I do feel sympathy for your sadness about being attached to the house you’re in. I’ve been a tenant many times, an accidental LL once when I rented out my property for a few years after moving in with a partner, and am now a homeowner.

I find it galling that so many tenants resent the fact that the property they are renting will increase in value. And resent the LL making any profit. That is not in fact ‘all’ you’ve done. What you have done is put a comfortable roof over the heads of your family for several years. That comes at a cost, whether rent or mortgage. Your LL will also be incurring costs for maintenance, replacing appliances, etc and will be paying tax on their rental income.

You didn’t have to spend your own money improving the house in any way, that is your choice.

Why on earth would you want to stay forever in what you describe as ‘a dying village’? A tiny rural community where shops and amenities are closing sounds totally depressing and not like a good place to raise a family. It might be ok for your DS now but what is there for him to do once he’s a teenager? It is definitely worth casting your net wider and considering nearby towns where there will be better amenities.

jay55 · 18/03/2025 08:48

She’s married to a farmer, farm ownerships are complex and the house gives her a bit of security. I wouldn’t sell in her position either.

Josiezu · 18/03/2025 08:48

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it.

Honestly what a weird stance. You can’t just have it because you want it. Someone else already owns it.

Mirabai · 18/03/2025 08:46

It was a very bad idea to get so invested in a house you don’t own. People invest time and money (beyond rent I mean) in the garden or interior and then are surprised when they have to move on. The reality is the only person that benefits is the LL. It sounds to me like you really want your own place, so maybe that’s the thing to focus on going forward. Perhaps move to a cheaper area - anything to facilitate being able to put down roots and not have to move again.

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