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Landlord won't sell. Another second home in our dying village

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AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

OP posts:
C36M · 19/03/2025 21:11

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

Buying isn’t all it’s cracked up to be anyway. It’s stressful and very expensive and you have to do all repairs etc. Then when you’re old they sell your house to pay for your tax, or charge a load of inheritance tax when you die. Personally I’d just keep renting if it’s a home you love

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:09

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:08

Landlord here mining income is from rental it’s been bloody hard work over the years. I’m nearly pension age and still doing Garden ‘s painting maintenance et cetera, my proper is are my pension.
if I was to sell any of them which I would dearly love to do anything I make will be eaten up in tax, which won’t give me enough to pay off the mortgage and still live
I suspect they will upgrade it and up the rent .
with the crappy new government rules around farming, they probably thinking long term tbh
I so wish the government would think longer term about their plans re farming families

Apologies for rubbish spelling I use voice text

Mrsgreen100 · 19/03/2025 21:08

Landlord here mining income is from rental it’s been bloody hard work over the years. I’m nearly pension age and still doing Garden ‘s painting maintenance et cetera, my proper is are my pension.
if I was to sell any of them which I would dearly love to do anything I make will be eaten up in tax, which won’t give me enough to pay off the mortgage and still live
I suspect they will upgrade it and up the rent .
with the crappy new government rules around farming, they probably thinking long term tbh
I so wish the government would think longer term about their plans re farming families

SparklyLeader · 19/03/2025 21:08

Does your area have a right of first refusal to purchase for current or immediately past tenants? If not, you may want to work with your legislators to get one.

Your post states 50,000 over 6 years. I'm in the states, so this I assume this is in pounds. Today, the British pound is $1.30 US. You pay about $700 per month for a home with a yard. I am in California, that is an amazingly low rent. Check out how much a mortgage might be for a house around the same value with a yard, etc. to see what your monthly nut would be.

I understand what you are missing is the equity. Perhaps save up your money to buy a house or a unit that you can rent out. Then if they do come around to wanting to sell it, you can become a contingent buyer (contingent on the sale of your other property).

asrl78 · 19/03/2025 21:03

HellDorado · 19/03/2025 19:38

And remember buying with a mortgage is also glorified renting until it’s paid off.

It’s nothing like it.

Exactly. When you rent, you are paying someone elses mortgage plus extra for their profit and maintenance whilst having less rights than if you were a homeowner.

Whaleandsnail6 · 19/03/2025 21:00

LlynTegid · 19/03/2025 20:34

What would happen if you just refuse to leave? Perhaps seek legal advice on your options.

I wonder how much it would cost to bring the property up to a reasonable energy standard.

I wish it was a total ban on second homes in some parts of the UK. Better than extra council tax.

The landlord hasn't asked op to leave. Op wants to buy a house now they have the money to. Op not leaving would probably suit the landlord as they could continue renting to them.

They asked to buy this house but it is not for sale.

LlynTegid · 19/03/2025 20:34

What would happen if you just refuse to leave? Perhaps seek legal advice on your options.

I wonder how much it would cost to bring the property up to a reasonable energy standard.

I wish it was a total ban on second homes in some parts of the UK. Better than extra council tax.

StartEngine · 19/03/2025 20:10

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 19:40

I think more plausibly it’s because they realise the inanity of their post.

There’s another one! Sure she’d love to come back for it.

Boysgrownbutstillathome · 19/03/2025 20:03

If you love it so much, why not just stay there? They might be more open to selling to you in the future.

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 19:40

StartEngine · 19/03/2025 19:21

The reality that people here lack empathy and enjoy putting the boot in? Probably 😊

I think more plausibly it’s because they realise the inanity of their post.

HellDorado · 19/03/2025 19:38

And remember buying with a mortgage is also glorified renting until it’s paid off.

It’s nothing like it.

Dogsbreath7 · 19/03/2025 19:29

tommyhoundmum · 19/03/2025 18:38

Unkind and dismissive. I don't think she needs that.

Then don’t post. It isn’t unkind to reply with the facts. She must have known when she moved to the village what the situation was. Everyone has choices and some might say a landlord which has allowed her to stay for 6 years when rents have been rising has been a good one.

0ohLarLar · 19/03/2025 19:28

If you actually take the plunge & give notice it will probably be on the market within months.

Dogsbreath7 · 19/03/2025 19:25

We live in a democracy and as long as people remain legal so be it. It was your choice to invest time and money.

And remember buying with a mortgage is also glorified renting until it’s paid off.

why do you need to leave? Can they not ask for an exemption if difficult to upgrade? There is a countryside tax that urbanites don’t acknowledge- higher weather exposure ( and no urban heat sink), more exposed walls on detached properties. No piped gas so oil lpg or expensive electricity. Small rooms so difficult to upgrade ( our external insulation cost £25k 10 years ago, gshp £35k 5 years ago. I question my sanity but I wanted to be green. Wouldn’t do it for a rental as there would be no uplift in rent at all).

No grants offered to rural landlords to compensate.

StartEngine · 19/03/2025 19:21

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 18:41

The OP has gone quiet, so hopefully they have come to terms with reality.

The reality that people here lack empathy and enjoy putting the boot in? Probably 😊

Frillysweetpea · 19/03/2025 18:47

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:20

You're spot on (abut lots of things). I suspect it'll be up for sale within 2 years. By which time we'll have incurred moving costs and DH will have had to change schools.

Can you rent somewhere else but keep your child at the school they'd be at if you stayed? Give it 24 months to see if your rental property comes on the market and, if not, reappraise your circumstances and options? My circumstances are completely different but I'm in an interim house I don't love as knew I could move to the house I want within a few years. I appreciate you don't have that certainty but it's amazing how fast 2 years goes!

MyNameIsX · 19/03/2025 18:41

tommyhoundmum · 19/03/2025 18:38

Unkind and dismissive. I don't think she needs that.

The OP has gone quiet, so hopefully they have come to terms with reality.

tommyhoundmum · 19/03/2025 18:38

Iwiicit · 18/03/2025 00:32

Well you can't force them to sell to you, so your best bet is to accept that you can't get your own way and start house hunting. Your other thoughts and feelings are frankly of no consequence.

Unkind and dismissive. I don't think she needs that.

Mumandgrandma85 · 19/03/2025 18:35

Has she got kids or grandkids she may leave to one of them?

saffronspices · 19/03/2025 18:19

Sadly you've maybe played right into their hands - they now know you're more than happy keeping their nest egg ticking over nicely - paying rent, doing maintenance yourselves and tending the garden - every landlord's dream. They know they're safe now until you make a move to leave which as far as they're concerned is no time soon. Their income is guaranteed win/win for them - your interest in the property means nothing to them just your cash.

We lived in a private rent for 10 years -never envisaged leaving but the windows were falling out & it needed a new boiler but the landlord only ever replaced the back door and 1 radiator. The gas pipe for the fire had to be capped as he wouldn't spend any money on making it safe and the next thing he was selling up.

Lyraloo · 19/03/2025 18:02

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:07

They could rent it out again if they invested a bit in the energy use of the house and got the EPC up. They don't want to. They can afford to have it sit empty, and would rather do that.

I've briefly thought of a buy to let, but that doesn't solve the problem. We want to put roots down and make a home thats ours and special. We've been silly by putting a lot of work into doing that here (the landlord had previously told us they'd consider selling to us down the line). All we've done is I crease the value of someone else's house.

You don’t know what they want to do in the future! Perhaps they want to retire or simply get out of farming and they are keeping it for that. You decided to put money into the house that you didn’t need to and just because you love it doesn’t mean you’re entitled to own it!

Lyraloo · 19/03/2025 18:01

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:07

They could rent it out again if they invested a bit in the energy use of the house and got the EPC up. They don't want to. They can afford to have it sit empty, and would rather do that.

I've briefly thought of a buy to let, but that doesn't solve the problem. We want to put roots down and make a home thats ours and special. We've been silly by putting a lot of work into doing that here (the landlord had previously told us they'd consider selling to us down the line). All we've done is I crease the value of someone else's house.

You don’t know what they want to do in the future! Perhaps they want to retire or simply get out of farming and they are keeping it for that. You decided to put money into the house that you didn’t need to and just because you love it doesn’t mean you’re entitled to own it!

SirDanielBrackley · 19/03/2025 10:43

Give it time. They may well come to realise that hard cash from a sale is a better bet than an asset which they cannot really use (other than as a source of income) and which is subject to increasing tax demands.

HellDorado · 19/03/2025 10:13

Glad I made you laugh. At least I’ve entertained someone…

chojoko · 19/03/2025 09:55

HellDorado · 18/03/2025 10:28

I did read what you said and it was both banal and irrelevant.

That actually made me LOL. God, for someone yarping on on Mumsnet, you do take yourself remarkably seriously. We're all so #blessed to read your fascinating insights...

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