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Landlord won't sell. Another second home in our dying village

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AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 00:08

DH, DS and I have rented our current home for 6 years. We moved here, back to where he grew up, and weren't in a position to buy. We've saved hard and now we are.

We love this house. It's small, and in many ways impractical, but we adore the bones of it. It's seen us through some really rough times and been our sanctuary. We've cared for it, at our own expenses, and done loads of work to make the garden something special. Our landlord has said themselves "It's much nicer now than it was when I lived here!".

We love where it is, which is quite a unique rural setting with amazing landscapes and near the sea. We've made friends in the village, my son goes to the local primary and I'm a governor thereWeHouses aren't for sale here often. We know the local walks inside out, which wild flowers grow in which hedgerows, which birds come back to nest in which trees. It just feels like our forever home. Which of course it isn't, because we rent it.

Our landlord left the house herself to marry a farmer who lives an hour away. She won't move back. Since we've lived here the law on EPC ratings has changed so she can't legally let it out again. There is a 300% council tax penalty on second homes, because they're such a problem here (massive housing crisis, no houses for young families to buy, so local schools and shops closing all over the place). We thought, for those reasons, they'd be interested in selling to a sitting tenant.

We asked them recently. They came round this weekend, in person, to tell us No. They won't sell it. They know they can't rent it, and that they'll have to pay the second home tax. They're not sure what they want to do with it, but they don't want to sell and that's that.

I know, of course, that they're under no obligation to sell their house. They don't owe us anything. But I'm finding it really hard to accept that we have to leave, or face paying rent for the rest of our lives and have nothing to show for it. And I'm finding it doubly galling that, having paid them over 50k in rent and added value to their house by taking such good care of it (more fool us), they're going to leave it empty, let the garden go to ruin, just to keep it as an asset on their balance sheet.

I genuinely think I'd feel better if I knew another family or person was going to live here and love it. Instead the village will have another empty / second home. I can't imaging ever finding somewhere like it (it's very secluded, stone built, old, and just feels "right"), which means anything we do buy is going to be a reluctant compromise.

I know I probably sound a bit wet and daft. I can't make them sell. It's made me feel surprisingly, profoundly sad, and I just don't know how to move past that feeling.

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CaribouCarafe · 18/03/2025 01:26

We don't know the state of her marriage, it's possible that she doesn't want to end up in a scenario where she gets divorced and doesn't have the house/protected pre marital asset to fall back to/on

LittleCharlotte · 18/03/2025 01:22

Because landlords are letting to people who most likely won't have the first clue about electrics and they have a responsibility to their tenants. Homeowners have a responsibility to themselves.

I'm sorry OP and don't think you're being unreasonable. The owner only has one bum and I suspect they may change their minds about selling.

Nobody needs a second home. I'm glad they're finally being cut down on - and holiday lets. Hopefully this will improve the rental market for tenants and stop bloody crap houses being built all over the place.

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:20

CuriousGeorge80 · 18/03/2025 01:09

It must be very disappointing but I think you are being unreasonable to say she is keeping it purely as an asset on her balance sheet - it isn’t economically sensible for her to be keeping it so the reality is more likely that she is emotionally attached to it and doesn’t want to let it go. I suspect you may find that once it has sat empty for a year she puts it up for sale, because the reality of the financial drain will outweigh her emotional attachment.

In reality of course, it’s always a big risk to put your own money into improving somebody else’s house. It’s a risk you knowingly take.

The whole EPC thing is daft of course, why should landlords be held to a higher standard on that specific point than house owners. There should absolutely be minimum standards about the safety etc of a home but the EPC scheme isn’t the way to do it.

Wishing you the best of luck finding somewhere you like as it must be super frustrating.

You're spot on (abut lots of things). I suspect it'll be up for sale within 2 years. By which time we'll have incurred moving costs and DH will have had to change schools.

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StartEngine · 18/03/2025 01:17

Iwiicit · 18/03/2025 00:32

Well you can't force them to sell to you, so your best bet is to accept that you can't get your own way and start house hunting. Your other thoughts and feelings are frankly of no consequence.

so your best bet is to accept that you can't get your own way

Hopefully you meant well and your choice of words that sound like you’re enjoying the OPs frustration and sadness was inadvertent.

StMarie4me · 18/03/2025 01:13

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:07

They could rent it out again if they invested a bit in the energy use of the house and got the EPC up. They don't want to. They can afford to have it sit empty, and would rather do that.

I've briefly thought of a buy to let, but that doesn't solve the problem. We want to put roots down and make a home thats ours and special. We've been silly by putting a lot of work into doing that here (the landlord had previously told us they'd consider selling to us down the line). All we've done is I crease the value of someone else's house.

The EPC rules are that if it’s going to cost more than £3500 they don’t have to do it.
Unless there changed yet again?

CuriousGeorge80 · 18/03/2025 01:09

It must be very disappointing but I think you are being unreasonable to say she is keeping it purely as an asset on her balance sheet - it isn’t economically sensible for her to be keeping it so the reality is more likely that she is emotionally attached to it and doesn’t want to let it go. I suspect you may find that once it has sat empty for a year she puts it up for sale, because the reality of the financial drain will outweigh her emotional attachment.

In reality of course, it’s always a big risk to put your own money into improving somebody else’s house. It’s a risk you knowingly take.

The whole EPC thing is daft of course, why should landlords be held to a higher standard on that specific point than house owners. There should absolutely be minimum standards about the safety etc of a home but the EPC scheme isn’t the way to do it.

Wishing you the best of luck finding somewhere you like as it must be super frustrating.

AppelationStation · 18/03/2025 01:07

They could rent it out again if they invested a bit in the energy use of the house and got the EPC up. They don't want to. They can afford to have it sit empty, and would rather do that.

I've briefly thought of a buy to let, but that doesn't solve the problem. We want to put roots down and make a home thats ours and special. We've been silly by putting a lot of work into doing that here (the landlord had previously told us they'd consider selling to us down the line). All we've done is I crease the value of someone else's house.

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GruntingMcGrunt · 18/03/2025 01:03

YANBU however it doesn’t sound like a good investment for you and Joe does it sound like a good place to raise a family. It may be beautiful but if shops and schools are closing all over the place is it really a good place to set up long term with young children? Think of the teen years.

nocoolnamesleft · 18/03/2025 00:57

kittenkipping · 18/03/2025 00:55

I know it’s too late, but I wonder why houses and ownership isn’t like a buffet- everyone should have firsts before anyone gets seconds. But that’s too socialist for most. In my area loads of “developers “ are building houses that aren’t needed because driving down the street exposes how many houses are to let and sell , but remain unoccupied.

Then where would people live who had to move to follow jobs, and couldn't buy a different house every year? I'd have had nowhere to live without the private rental sector. Leaving them empty is unreasonable, but it sounds like this landlord doesn't want to leave it empty, they want to rent it out. And haven't copped out to Air BnB. Which is needed. We've lost vital staff because they couldn't find a private rental.

kittenkipping · 18/03/2025 00:55

I know it’s too late, but I wonder why houses and ownership isn’t like a buffet- everyone should have firsts before anyone gets seconds. But that’s too socialist for most. In my area loads of “developers “ are building houses that aren’t needed because driving down the street exposes how many houses are to let and sell , but remain unoccupied.

Frostynoman · 18/03/2025 00:52

Can you get a buy to let so you have an asset and a foot on the ladder and continue to stay where you are?

Iwiicit · 18/03/2025 00:32

Well you can't force them to sell to you, so your best bet is to accept that you can't get your own way and start house hunting. Your other thoughts and feelings are frankly of no consequence.

nocoolnamesleft · 18/03/2025 00:23

The problem is the rules changing stopping them renting it out again. Or another family could have benefited from what you did: a way to live somewhere you wanted to live.

No, I'm not a landlord. But I had to work all over the country. I'd have been totally fucked if there was no private rental sector.

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