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To not want to be DP’s tenant?

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barhumbug · 17/03/2025 14:24

DP and I have been together almost 4yrs. I moved in with him as he owns his own home and at the time we met I was in shared accommodation so it made a lot more sense. He has always wanted me to feel like it’s ‘my’ home rather than me living in his house but I can’t help but still feeling like I am. He’s never made me feel that way but it’s always in the back of my mind that I am and I hoped that one day this would change.

Since I moved in he has refused to allow me to contribute a penny to anything related to the house. I give a contribution to bills but that’s it. Mortgage, white goods that need replacing etc have all been paid by him 100%. I have offered to contribute to white goods but he has refused. I understand completely his reluctance to allow me to contribute to the mortgage as he doesn’t want me having any kind of claim to any part of his house if we were to split. Fair enough, I absolutely understand, he worked really hard to buy his home and I wouldn’t want to take away any part of that.

Due to an inheritance he has now paid off the mortgage in full so is mortgage free. Fantastic! He is now thinking about potentially upgrading to a bigger property with parking as we live in a very desirable area and parking is a nightmare. Plus maybe having an extra bedroom for guests to visit etc.

However, property is expensive here and the size/type he is looking at would be right at the top of his budget, meaning his living costs would increase a lot with a new mortgage. Basically, he could just about afford it on his own but it would be a stretch. His plan, as it currently stands is for me to pay ‘rent’ as a contribution to housing costs but I wouldn’t be on the mortgage or have a claim to any part of the house so he would keep everything in the event of a split.

Due to a combination of unfortunate circumstances when I met DP I was in the process of digging myself out of debt and had no savings. Since then I’m very proud of myself in that I’ve managed to completely clear my debts, rebuild my credit rating to excellent and have a few grand in savings. As such I have very little chance of getting a property on my own but we could easily afford a decent place together with our joint earnings.

Aibu in thinking I’m not ok with this? It doesn’t make sense (to me) for him to stretch himself super thin just to be able to keep 100% of the risk and responsibility of a new house while I pay him ‘rent’ and effectively build nothing for myself? I will obviously continue to save as much as I can anyway but I still would have no chance of buying my own place if we split in the future. He doesn’t have any immediate plans to buy, he’s thinking ahead for 5yrs time to enable him to
build a bigger deposit for a new place. He could change his mind in that time as by then we would have been together almost 9yrs but I’m not
sure I want take that risk. I see us very much as being in a long term, potentially life long partnership and I really want us to have something that is ‘ours’ and currently there is nothing. All our finances are separate, we won’t be getting married as he is staunchly against it. I’ve come to terms with that and I’m ok with it as I understand his reasoning but for some reason this feels like a hill I’m willing to die on. I’m sure he does love me and very much also sees us as a life long partnership but I know he also got badly burned by a previous long term partner and narrowly avoided losing his home when they split so I’m sure that’s a big factor here.

I just really don’t want to be his ‘tenant’. I want to be an equal partner and if this goes ahead I will still feel like I’m ’living in his house’ no matter how much he wants me to see it as ‘ours’. I can’t quite explain but it feels like the power dynamic would be totally off. I’m not even sure how the logistics would work, would I have a tenancy agreement etc?

I’m not sure if I’m making a bigger deal of it than it is? Tbh I’m only in the position I’m in now because of his encouragement and support and this feels a bit like I’m throwing my toys out the pram if I don’t get my way. I don’t know if it’s worth throwing away what is, in every other sense a fantastic relationship.

*We don’t have kids and will be staying child free so no need to worry about any of that!

OP posts:
Happyears · 18/03/2025 11:56

Josiezu · 17/03/2025 19:11

I love how several people have repeatedly asked what his financial planning is for her security if they break up or he dies and not once asked the OP what’s she’s saving for her own retirement.

FS can we stop treating women like these meek little half people who must shack up with a man with more money for “financial security”. OP’s a grown woman in the 40s, perfectly capable of working with minimal essential bills and should be focused on her own financial security.
No wonder a significant proportion of men refuse marriage, too many women seem to view it as a means to their money!

If OP shares this man's home and contributes to his mortgage for years or decades and then break up or he dies, she will end up homeless while he benefits from owning a house either outright or with more equity than there would have been without her contribution. This isn't fair on her.
If he doesn't care what happens to her in the event of a breakup or his death, he's being a pretty rubbish partner. Couples are supposed to care about each other's wellbeing.
There are other solutions than owning a house 50/50 together. She could own a smaller percentage than him, or instead of paying into his mortgage she could put the money into savings so at least she would have a deposit to buy or rent on her own.

femfemlicious · 18/03/2025 11:03

justasking111 · 17/03/2025 22:04

And her a free house keeper, sex worker?

Is he paying her for sex, she doesn't enjoy the sex?. Is she having sex with him for the house?

femfemlicious · 18/03/2025 11:01

BlondiePortz · 18/03/2025 00:15

Then she could go and pay rent somewhere else then

Exactly . @barhumbug can't force him to buy a house with her. The only thing you can do is to move out and pay more rent for a house share so that you can keep saving or not he able to save qt all. You would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

femfemlicious · 18/03/2025 10:55

Thindog · 17/03/2025 18:35

I can understand that he wants to keep his house in his name, but if you buy a bigger house it should be as tenants in common, and you should then have a proportionate interest.
You are in a very vulnerable position if he dies, you not being married or on the mortgage. His next of kin will inherit and you will be homeless, unless he has a will naming you in it. This would really worry me.

Why would she be homeless?. Where was she living before she moved in with him?.she can always rent somewhere to live

MadinMarch · 18/03/2025 10:52

AngelicKaty · 18/03/2025 09:37

She wouldn't be a tenant and nor would anyone else. As someone living with their landlord and sharing a kitchen, she would be an "excluded occupier" under housing law and the only right she would have is to receive "reasonable" notice, which could be as little as one week (although could be a month if she were to pay him rent monthly).
The point about him paying tax on any rent she pays is a good one though (although given the thought he seems to have given to his proposal, I'd be surprised if he hasn't considered this).

He can receive approx £7500 pa tax free under the rent a room scheme.

nearlylovemyusername · 18/03/2025 09:45

barhumbug · 17/03/2025 14:46

@DoYouReallyno I haven’t been living ‘rent free’ the past 4yrs, I have been paying a contribution to the bills/running costs/paying for food etc which is roughly equivalent to a cheap rental price for the area. So essentially anything I’m ‘using’ day to day I pay towards but not the mortgage (at his insistence).

well, you've been living rent free exactly. If you were single you'd still have to pay all bills, not 50% of them, food, white goods etc AND rent as well.

If you were to break up today, financially your DP wouldn't lose much, he'd get 25% council tax discount and his bills would be a bit lower. You'd need to pay all the bills plus housing cost. You really do benefit financially significantly from this relationship but you want even more.

You're trying to play it as lack of commitment rather than greed. Why does he need to demonstrate this to you? if he doesn't, will you leave? this means that you were with him only for money.
He really does not own you anything.

AngelicKaty · 18/03/2025 09:37

Tgfh · 17/03/2025 22:09

OP, he really wants everything his own way.
It would really suit him to have a tenant that will have sex with him as he builds equity in this new house.
A great arrangement for him.

For you it will be a dreadful arrangement.
You deserve better.
You need to focus fully on saving everything you can to get a tiny property for yourself.

I wouldn't waste my future on a man that is so utterly focused on himself and his security.

Don't be his housekeeper tenant that has sex with him.

You deserve so much better.
Let him get a tenant and pay tax on it.

Have you mentioned him paying tax?....bet he'd love that.
Have you spoken out about renter rights etc.?

She wouldn't be a tenant and nor would anyone else. As someone living with their landlord and sharing a kitchen, she would be an "excluded occupier" under housing law and the only right she would have is to receive "reasonable" notice, which could be as little as one week (although could be a month if she were to pay him rent monthly).
The point about him paying tax on any rent she pays is a good one though (although given the thought he seems to have given to his proposal, I'd be surprised if he hasn't considered this).

anareen · 18/03/2025 08:23

Very unfair.
This reminds me of a relationship I was in. Looking back I feel like I adjusted my life to fit into his while he got to keep living life as he always had. I really think he never realized it. I brought it up years later and he said "oh whatever". 🤷🏻‍♀️ that relationship wasn't fulfilling and it kind of ran its course and was over with.
You deserve someone who makes you feel equal and involved. Not like they have something held over your head.

holrosea · 18/03/2025 08:00

Blondiebeachbabe · 17/03/2025 18:02

I own the home me and DH live in. I wouldn't put him on the deeds, even though we've been together 17 years. This is due to being very burnt in a previous divorce. I have no thoughts of leaving him, we are happily married. I thought my first marriage was happy, but my H had a secret life and other women. It makes you very cautious. At the end of the day, I came to the table with a house and he didn't. Same as you. It's not his fault you never got on the property ladder, you can't expect him to put his house on the line, when you could leave at any moment and want to take half his house with you.

https://www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/family-law-information/a-guide-to-financial-arrangements-after-marriage-breakdown/

https://www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/row--legal-guide-marriage-home-rights-final.pdf

You may want to read these guides - your DH may not be on the deeds, but as your husband, he can register his "home rights" at the matrimonial home. This can impact your ability to sell in the case of a split.

After a long marriage, the house will very likely be taken into consideration when splitting marital assets, based on your respective incomes, quality of life, and responsibility to children (or not). Marriage supercedes any previous agreements, and if there is an existing deed of trust it will be taken as an indication of intent but not necessarily as still legally binding.

EDIT: Just seen your update that you are not in England/Wales - however I am leaving the post up for info for anyone who is married but not named on the deeds of the matrimonial home.

A guide to financial arrangements after marriage breakdown - Rights of Women

This legal guide sets out the law when separating your finances following divorce or judicial separation.

https://www.rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-advice/family-law-information/a-guide-to-financial-arrangements-after-marriage-breakdown/

Blondiebeachbabe · 18/03/2025 07:34

BatchCookBabe · 17/03/2025 20:55

Yeah, as a pp said, it's not YOUR home. You are married. It's 50% his.

Not correct. I am not in England. Where we live, any property in divorce is kept by the owner. Also, inheritances are not part of any settlements. So, the opposite to England in both regards.

My friend is going through a divorce right now. Her husband has 5 properties and is walking away with those intact. She has no claim. They have been married for almost 20 years. Even the home they lived in was his. Thankfully, she has been able to buy that from him and stay in it. Luckily she inherited a lot of money last year and he can't touch that.

Anyway, back to Op - if she wants a property she can save a deposit and buy one, and rent it out if she's living with her partner. She is living rent free right now - not many people are that lucky - which should mean she has a good opportunity to save.

And I do think that any woman posting here about whether to add a boyfriend to her property deeds, would be told NO.

BlondiePortz · 18/03/2025 00:15

Panterusblackish · 17/03/2025 22:22

He's treating her as a bank. She's helping subsidise his living costs while he builds up equity in a house and she gets nothing.

Then she could go and pay rent somewhere else then

Kitchensinktoday · 17/03/2025 22:39

justasking111 · 17/03/2025 22:04

And her a free house keeper, sex worker?

Fair point!

Panterusblackish · 17/03/2025 22:22

BlondiePortz · 17/03/2025 20:09

So a man is a bank?

He's treating her as a bank. She's helping subsidise his living costs while he builds up equity in a house and she gets nothing.

Tgfh · 17/03/2025 22:09

OP, he really wants everything his own way.
It would really suit him to have a tenant that will have sex with him as he builds equity in this new house.
A great arrangement for him.

For you it will be a dreadful arrangement.
You deserve better.
You need to focus fully on saving everything you can to get a tiny property for yourself.

I wouldn't waste my future on a man that is so utterly focused on himself and his security.

Don't be his housekeeper tenant that has sex with him.

You deserve so much better.
Let him get a tenant and pay tax on it.

Have you mentioned him paying tax?....bet he'd love that.
Have you spoken out about renter rights etc.?

justasking111 · 17/03/2025 22:04

BlondiePortz · 17/03/2025 20:09

So a man is a bank?

And her a free house keeper, sex worker?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/03/2025 22:01

I understand he has worked very hard for his home and I wouldn’t want to take any of that away from him

Trouble is, this is what so many say - the ex who burned him may well have said it too - but once on the deeds it can become "Well, my small contribution's JUST the same proportion of what I could afford", "He only got that raise/promotion because I was doing the housework" and so on

As for "if I was on a mortgage with DP I’d only be paying the £500 mortgage plus bills so the extra £800 I’d save from not having to pay rent/mortgage on a second place would be my savings. If I had to pay that out to have my own place I’d have nothing left" he's probably worked that out too and may even have decided there's rather a lot of focus on his money

Northernparent68 · 17/03/2025 21:52

L0bstersLass · 17/03/2025 17:52

@barhumbug This sounds perfectly fair to me.
If he's not up for this then there's something fundamental that needs addressing.

How is it fair when he’s putting in two thirds of the cash and half of the mortgage

caringcarer · 17/03/2025 21:36

beadystar · 17/03/2025 14:46

If the move wouldn't happen for five years, and you currently don't have to pay any rent or mortgage, could you see yourself saving enough during that time for a property of your own to fall back on? You could possibly rent it out? I would make that a condition.

This plus ask him what happens to his house if he were to die?

AFrankExchangeofViews · 17/03/2025 21:26

How much rent can he reasonably expect from a lodger who shares a room with him? Its nothing like renting an actual room to someone. I doubt the little bit extra he would stand to gain from this would enable his house purchasing hike up the property ladder.

For this to be in anyway fair, it needs to be a joint enterprise where you you would own the house proportionate to what you had put in and how much of the mortgage you are sharing. If he is not willing to take this step then I would not be engaging with this plan at all. Keep putting money aside so that you can comfortably leave if/when you need, as that is clearly his perspective.

OnTheBoardwalk · 17/03/2025 21:13

I get that you think by protecting his deposit it's a good thing. If you buy a £300k house you’d protect his deposit of £290k and you'd put in £10k deposit

why on earth though @barhumbug do you think you’d be entitled to half the equity going forward for paying a few hundred quid mortgage when you've just been paying contributions to running costs for the last 4 years to pay off your debts

Gogogo12345 · 17/03/2025 21:09

theresapossuminthekitchen · 17/03/2025 14:53

This is how it should be done. Suggest this to him. If he doesn’t agree, walk away because he’s not in it for the long term and he doesn’t care that he’s taking advantage of you. When DH and I bought our first house (before we got married) I put in the whole deposit from inheritance so owned that proportion of the house as ‘tenants in common’. We then split the ownership of the remaining mortgaged amount between us. This was never an issue for me or my husband because we saw a future together.

Isn't that what the OP was suggesting?

Clearingaspace · 17/03/2025 21:02

BatchCookBabe · 17/03/2025 20:55

Yeah, as a pp said, it's not YOUR home. You are married. It's 50% his.

Yes even squatters rights kick in before 17 years! ?

BatchCookBabe · 17/03/2025 20:55

Blondiebeachbabe · 17/03/2025 18:02

I own the home me and DH live in. I wouldn't put him on the deeds, even though we've been together 17 years. This is due to being very burnt in a previous divorce. I have no thoughts of leaving him, we are happily married. I thought my first marriage was happy, but my H had a secret life and other women. It makes you very cautious. At the end of the day, I came to the table with a house and he didn't. Same as you. It's not his fault you never got on the property ladder, you can't expect him to put his house on the line, when you could leave at any moment and want to take half his house with you.

Yeah, as a pp said, it's not YOUR home. You are married. It's 50% his.

BatchCookBabe · 17/03/2025 20:39

BringMeTea · 17/03/2025 20:27

Aw the poor menz on this thread. 😁

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Cattenberg · 17/03/2025 20:27

This man has shown that he only cares about his own financial interests. He’s entitled to do that, but he’s leaving the OP in a very vulnerable financial position.

I wouldn’t blame her if she started putting her own interests first. Which could mean saving up until she has enough for a deposit, then moving out. Not because “a man is a bank”, but because it’s far easier to save when you’re living with someone and sharing the living costs.

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