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To think leaving UK is the best Option now

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LeavinUK · 17/03/2025 10:51

We are thinking of leaving UK now to move to Dubai or USA. We have two young children who are in nursery, not in School yet and one will start school next year.
The reasons are the state of UK. Looking at the state of NHS, the waits are so long if you ever have to go to A&E, you can access better healthcare of you have insurance in any other country. Another reason is the ever increasing tax, we both work full time and I have the potential to earn six figures but I am staying at a flexible job to earn under 6 figures and I am forced to not get a promotion or switching to High paying jobs by the fact that I won't be eligible for 30 funded hours of Childcare which I I think is very unfair on hard working people who want to progress in career while having young children. UK doesn't feels like a family friendly country overall.
We also don't feel safe now going out to city centre etc which have become a ghost town and so much of illegal immigrants loitering around and so much increase in crimes.
Our friends who moved to Dubai are able to afford full time house help, nanny and a driver while earning similar to ourselves. While, here we are struggling with young kids and paying huge taxes. I have family in USA who are earning big bucks and paying much less taxes and being able to save and invest better for retirement while we will be working till 68 potentially 70 which is totally insane.
AIBU to feel leaving UK is the best option now and have you made a move or considering moving?

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Fountains · 22/03/2025 21:44

Jc2001 · 22/03/2025 19:12

How can weather be disgusting? It's either a climate that suits you or doesn't suit you. Like any country.

No, not really. A climate that hot and dry is simply not suited to intensive population — it worked ok for what used to be there, a few coastal settlements of fisher people and pearl fishers and inland mostly nomads moving between available water. Having cities like Dubai is an environmental disaster on the grounds of water alone. The UAE consistently comes top in rankings of least environmentally friendly countries because of its reliance on air con and desalinated water, which in turn are hugely energy-costly. The buildings are uninhabitable without aircon for the hotter months, and the cities are built for car dependency. That’s leaving aside the fact that as a tourist destination, it requires mass medium-haul air travel, and the importation of virtually all food, and the environmental damage caused by the construction of artificial islands.

I don’t think it’s particularly inaccurate to call it a ‘disgusting’ climate in terms of a total mismatch between local conditions and current human habitation.

Walkaround · 22/03/2025 19:26

Jc2001 · 22/03/2025 19:12

How can weather be disgusting? It's either a climate that suits you or doesn't suit you. Like any country.

Close to 50c heat is hazardous to human health and therefore suits nobody. Imo, it’s fair enough to perceive dangerous weather to be disgusting.

BooomShakeTheRoom · 22/03/2025 19:14

Dubai and US certainly wouldn’t be my choice but YANBU if moving there is positive for your family.

Jc2001 · 22/03/2025 19:12

Hwi · 17/03/2025 11:22

Don't know about the states, but I would advise against Dubai. I had to be there for work, the best conditions I have ever experienced financially and accommodation-wise. But the weather!!!!!! The weather is disgusting, there is no other way about it. Talk to expats who came back about the weather - if that is OK by you, then it is a different story.

How can weather be disgusting? It's either a climate that suits you or doesn't suit you. Like any country.

C0tt0nS33d · 22/03/2025 17:06

Badbadbunny · 17/03/2025 11:10

Decent jobs in the US have private healthcare provided, so that aspect is covered. "Dangerous" areas/schools etc are mostly in specific areas typically "down town" and some very strange often more rural areas - there are plenty of "nicer/safer" places to live, work and go to school if you can live in the "nicer" parts of town or the "nicer" more rural/coastal areas.

My son works in a big UK financial services firm and says there's a "leaving do" almost weekly for someone leaving to work Dubai, USA, Canada or Australia. He can't remember anyone leaving to move to a competitor UK based firm!

There's certainly a very worrying brain drain leaving the UK at the moment.

I’d hardly call financial services a brain drain or high on many skilled migrants list. Most countries are making it harder for migrants too.

Sandy Hook was a very nice safe area.

C0tt0nS33d · 22/03/2025 17:00

LeavinUK · 17/03/2025 11:05

We will be only making the move after we get job offers there. We work in tech industry where salaries are high especially in Dubai and California.
Feel free to mock as much as you like but most city centres are becoming ghost towns now and really rough dodgy looking men loitering around and I have never felt safe going alone with young DC even on day times. There have been reports of such men following women and attempts of rape etc.

I doubt very much you’d get a job in the US. America has its own tech professionals and it’s nigh on impossible to get a job there unless you’re sent over by your company. Trump will be making getting visas even more difficult now.

DaffodilsGalore · 22/03/2025 16:50

Valeriekat · 19/03/2025 10:28

Don't be ridiculous!

Well it’s seems that our governments (and other EU countries too!) are starting to issues warnings….
Article here

Theres been quite a few people with visas etc… from U.K. and EU who have found themselves in a sticky place recently. Including many academics going to conferences.

So no, it’s not looking good just now. Not somewhere I’d plan any hols soon, let alone living there.

mjf981 · 22/03/2025 05:19

Valeriekat · 19/03/2025 10:28

Don't be ridiculous!

Well I'm not. Are you not following the news?

DdraigGoch · 19/03/2025 12:51

LeavinUK · 17/03/2025 11:54

I love our NHS and the staff work really really hard to provide the best care they can in the means they have. But, the A&E waiting times were so long when we visited last year with young DC.
UK is a great country but the public services are getting worse every year and the taxes are only going up so I feel we are not getting much value for the high taxes we are paying.

Do you think that there are no waiting times in the US? Waiting times for Primary Care in the US grossly exceed those in the UK (or any other European country).

Fountains · 19/03/2025 11:37

Odras · 19/03/2025 11:24

There are probably some jobs spreading anti immigrant sentiment on social media🙃

A fair few seem to be doing this for free..,

Odras · 19/03/2025 11:24

DdraigGoch · 19/03/2025 10:59

Ah yes, the tech industry. Which Nazi do you plan on working for?

There are probably some jobs spreading anti immigrant sentiment on social media🙃

DdraigGoch · 19/03/2025 10:59

LeavinUK · 17/03/2025 11:05

We will be only making the move after we get job offers there. We work in tech industry where salaries are high especially in Dubai and California.
Feel free to mock as much as you like but most city centres are becoming ghost towns now and really rough dodgy looking men loitering around and I have never felt safe going alone with young DC even on day times. There have been reports of such men following women and attempts of rape etc.

Ah yes, the tech industry. Which Nazi do you plan on working for?

JHound · 19/03/2025 10:51

But each to their own. Where you prefer to be is entirely subjective. For me I am very happy to be back in the UK.

I also don’t the worries about the NHS. If you move overseas you will need private healthcare so just do that in the UK.

BringMeTea · 19/03/2025 10:48

Well not U in theory but those 2 places wouldn't even be on my longlist!

JHound · 19/03/2025 10:46

If they earn similar to you here then they are likely paying their nanny and driver slave labour wages.

Valeriekat · 19/03/2025 10:28

mjf981 · 19/03/2025 04:01

The USA! Come on OP, the place is a fallen democracy that at any time now could invade a sovereign country. As an immigrant you'd be a target.

Don't be ridiculous!

Valeriekat · 19/03/2025 10:27

Don't forget US has state and property taxes which add up. Texas is great though.

hididdlyho · 19/03/2025 10:27

My DH has spent the last few months convinced we should move to the US. To me it feels like jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Odras · 19/03/2025 10:06

it’s going to be tough to be an immigrant anywhere soon. There are people spreading anti immigrant sentiment everywhere.

Walkaround · 19/03/2025 07:59

britinnyc · 19/03/2025 02:14

Where are you hearing this? People walking to Canada? I have heard anything like this. I haven’t even heard of people with citizenship in other countries leaving apart from maybe some very rich/celebrity types. Even as a UK citizen I really can’t just up and leave, my kids have UK passports but my DH doesn’t, we can’t just head back to the UK with no jobs in the middle of the school year, I don’t even have skills that will transfer at this point. Most of us that are in blue states are just retreating into our bubble and living life as normal because there really isn’t any other option. Things sound scary on the news and they are in a global sense but I reality life is normal, even for people who aren’t white. T e only people who are scared seem to be people on green cards who have a thing in their record that could be used to deny them entry to the US if they leave,

People in Ukraine weren’t scared, either, until the day Russia invaded. Of course people carry on as normal if they feel they have to, for as long as they can, even if that actually means they are facilitating an acceleration of bad, unchecked behaviours. That doesn’t mean other people should take that as a signal to deliberately move somewhere that it is patently clear to the entire world is heading in a bad direction.

mjf981 · 19/03/2025 04:01

The USA! Come on OP, the place is a fallen democracy that at any time now could invade a sovereign country. As an immigrant you'd be a target.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 19/03/2025 02:32

PeriPeriMam · 18/03/2025 22:42

Thread transparently started by someone at work in a political office somewhere 😂

If anyone at conservative or reform HQ or the Russians or someone want to employ me, I'll do a much better job.

This is so obviously rage bait and I'm not falling for it and wasting my time dishing out reasonable advice .
It is entertaining though🍿.

Go ahead OP, it will be the making of you 🤗.

britinnyc · 19/03/2025 02:14

MeTooOverHere · 18/03/2025 22:17

There's a lot making moves to leave the US right now. Even US-born folks are leaving. Word is they have 2 or 3 months to get out if they want to because after that they might not be able to leave. Refugees walking across the border into Canada and being taken into custody.

Where are you hearing this? People walking to Canada? I have heard anything like this. I haven’t even heard of people with citizenship in other countries leaving apart from maybe some very rich/celebrity types. Even as a UK citizen I really can’t just up and leave, my kids have UK passports but my DH doesn’t, we can’t just head back to the UK with no jobs in the middle of the school year, I don’t even have skills that will transfer at this point. Most of us that are in blue states are just retreating into our bubble and living life as normal because there really isn’t any other option. Things sound scary on the news and they are in a global sense but I reality life is normal, even for people who aren’t white. T e only people who are scared seem to be people on green cards who have a thing in their record that could be used to deny them entry to the US if they leave,

Justsaywhatyoumean123 · 18/03/2025 22:53

I think OP has a point. I think if I was in my 20's 30's, I'd goto Dubai just to make bank for a few years. It's very hard to get ahead in the UK now unless you're on a very high salary and why suffer if you don't need to?

PeriPeriMam · 18/03/2025 22:42

Thread transparently started by someone at work in a political office somewhere 😂

If anyone at conservative or reform HQ or the Russians or someone want to employ me, I'll do a much better job.