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To think my insurance should cover me nearly dying?!

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octavio1996 · 17/03/2025 09:05

Posting here because I’m at my wits’ end and don’t know what to do. Currently stuck in Australia after a total nightmare and my insurance company is refusing to pay out.

Basically, I was travelling here on holiday with DH and the DC (two teens, one younger), having an amazing time. Then out of nowhere, I got really ill massive pain, collapsed, rushed to hospital. Turns out it was a ruptured appendix and I ended up in intensive care for days, genuinely thought I was going to die. DH was beside himself, kids were terrified. The hospital care was amazing but obviously, this is Australia, and the bills are absolutely eye-watering.

Here’s the kicker: my travel insurance is now refusing to pay. They’re saying it’s a “pre-existing condition” (it wasn’t), or that I didn’t declare something minor from years ago that has nothing to do with this. I’ve been on the phone to them constantly, but they’re just fobbing me off. We’ve already had to put thousands on a credit card just to get me discharged. We were meant to fly home next week, but I’m not even sure I’m well enough to travel, and obviously, we can’t afford to stay indefinitely.

Has anyone been in this situation before? Do I have any chance of fighting this, or are we totally screwed? DH is trying to stay calm for the DC, but I can tell he’s panicking too. I just want to go home and not be bankrupt.

TL;DR: Nearly died from a ruptured appendix, travel insurance won’t pay, stuck in Australia with a huge bill. Help!

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Mylifeupsidedown · 17/03/2025 13:04

You totally need to fight this.
totally different situation but one that they said I knew something was wrong before hand. We sent all the proof we could from doctors to bookings. They refused us until we went to the financial ombudsman for help. (You need to have a final response letter from the insurance company)
after 9 months we did get it settled I know you may not have that but if you can keep pushing for it. I knew I was being treated unfairly.

good luck and hope you feel better soon.

Umbilicat · 17/03/2025 13:03

Well, I'm so sorry for OP but grateful to this thread, I've just added something I went to the GP about last year, no diagnosis made but when I went online to add it I was asked a few questions about if it related to any specific conditions (answer no) and it's now listed on my policy as having been declared for no extra charge. In future I will mention anything I spoke to the GP about in the previous year, no matter how tiny.

FiatMultiplaWhopper · 17/03/2025 12:58

but why do you have to pay? I know someone who nearly died in Australia and all he had to pay for was the ambulance? Everything else was covered including heart surgery?

knephew · 17/03/2025 12:58

People are being weird on here. Insurance doesn’t ask you to declare everything you’ve ever been to the doctors for.

It asks you if you have any current health conditions.
and then anything currently being investigated but not diagnosed and lastly and any hospital visits over last 3 years.

I state my high blood pressure. I don’t state that 15 years ago I had a chest infection that I got antibiotics for. Because it’s not a health condition.

The op doesn’t have IBS. I don’t see how the ombudsman wouldn’t rule in her favour.

Parker231 · 17/03/2025 12:58

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 12:42

It doesn’t matter whether the two issues are connected - you’re supposed to declare everything.

So many people get caught out with insurance claims unfortunately - you have to be so honest.

You don’t need to claim on your insurance as there is a reciprocal agreement between UK and Australia.

Manxexile · 17/03/2025 12:57

Arcticrival · 17/03/2025 12:14

When a claim is made the travel insurer asks for a GP report. The IBS stuff was obviously showing on your GP records and any investigations you had or they wouldn't know about it. You didn't declare it. Whether it is relevant to appendicitis or not isn't the issue. EVERYTHING needs to be declared when you take out travel insurance within the time period asked eg 2 years 5 years etc, GP visits, any meds taken, any investigations etc.

Get a copy of your application form, see what the time period was. then get a copy of your GP report and see when IBS was last mentioned. You need specific details of dates etc to ahve a successful appeal.

Or if it is showing on your med records withing the last x years which the proposal form asked for then they are right to reject.

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This ^

When buying travel insurance you have to answer the questions you are asked.

I always buy via the phone rather than online because I might want clarification of what the questions mean and that's easier with a human being than with some AI bot.

As I've posted earlier my insurer asks if I've ever had any heart problems and if I've sought any medical advice or treatment in the last 12 months. Simple. (That was Saga by the way. Whether they still ask the same questions I don't know, but that was what they asked last year)

If I was looking at buying travel insurance and I was asked about any other medical conditions more than 12 or 24 months ago, I wouldn't touch that insurer with a bargepole. Would I have to declare treatment for adolescent acne from 50 years ago? It's not worth the risk

User19876536484 · 17/03/2025 12:57

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 12:45

She's not been dishonest though.

The OP says she was never formally diagnosed. In any case, IBS is not an illness and is a diagnosis of exclusion.

The insurance companies just like to try to get out of paying.

I suppose it depends on what you consider to be an illness.

Searching online, the consensus seems to be that IBS is a “condition”.

The definition of a condition is given as

“A 'medical condition' refers to a specific health issue or illness that can be diagnosed by healthcare providers based on symptoms, medication use, or diagnostic testing. It includes a wide range of conditions that impact an individual's health and ability to function, such as chronic diseases or acute illnesses”

Based on that would have assumed that it would have to be declared, although never being formally diagnosed with it does muddy the waters somewhat.

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 17/03/2025 12:55

There's got to be more to this.

OP simply wouldn't be charged for emergency care if a UK citizen.

There's something going on here with this story.

fieldofstars · 17/03/2025 12:54

The hospital care was amazing but obviously, this is Australia, and the bills are absolutely eye-watering.

Are you sure you're in Australia? That sounds like America. None of this makes sense.

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 12:45

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 12:42

It doesn’t matter whether the two issues are connected - you’re supposed to declare everything.

So many people get caught out with insurance claims unfortunately - you have to be so honest.

She's not been dishonest though.

The OP says she was never formally diagnosed. In any case, IBS is not an illness and is a diagnosis of exclusion.

The insurance companies just like to try to get out of paying.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 12:42

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 12:41

Are you not a British passport holder @octavio1996. If you are, there is a reciprocal agreement (others have already mentioned this).

Unfortunately, it sounds as if the insurance company are trying to find any excuse not to pay. They probably do this routinely. IBS has nothing to do with your appendicitis. It's a diagnosis of exclusion anyway.

It doesn’t matter whether the two issues are connected - you’re supposed to declare everything.

So many people get caught out with insurance claims unfortunately - you have to be so honest.

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 12:41

Are you not a British passport holder @octavio1996. If you are, there is a reciprocal agreement (others have already mentioned this).

Unfortunately, it sounds as if the insurance company are trying to find any excuse not to pay. They probably do this routinely. IBS has nothing to do with your appendicitis. It's a diagnosis of exclusion anyway.

Aposterhasnoname · 17/03/2025 12:40

On the back of this thread I’ve just rung my insurance company to declare a diagnosis of diverticula disease from years ago. They asked if I’d seen a dr about in the last 12 months, or taken any medication, and when I confirmed I hadn’t, they said it’s irrelevant, I don’t need to declare it and they are only Interested in conditions arising, being investigated or that I’m taking medication for, in the last 12 months. You obviously need to take this further, they are being ridiculous.

BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 12:35

repellingmnvipers · 17/03/2025 10:42

Is it not presented as a list of ailments and you tick whether you have ever visited the dr. So if it said digestive issues and you ticked no visit to Gp then I assume that will be incorrectly declared. Hope you get it sorted Op and I wish you a speedy recovery

Everyone gets digestive issues. Having some bloating and a dicky stomach five years ago that was not diagnosed as anything should have no relevance on her insurance claim, in my opinion.

andyouwillknowusbythetrailofdead · 17/03/2025 12:32

Insurers are total cunts. They will do anything in their power not to pay out.

BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 12:29

@Badbadbunny But her mentioning a possible IBS (because she had some bloating) five years ago, that came to nothing, would surely not be logged on that form as currently under investigation? I recently went to the doctor worried about a mark on my skin. She told me it was nothing, am I supposed to mention that in five year’s time on an insurance form?

Crazyworldmum · 17/03/2025 12:22

You will probably need to discuss this with the ombudsman once you are back home . It’s an awful position to be put in and I’m truly sorry 😔. We had similar ( not as bad as you ) a few years ago when one of the kids had chicken pox . They told me it was my fault a si knew she didn’t have it before . I off course didn’t let them get away with it but took a while for tem to pay back all expenses .
Hope you are feeling better soon

Parker231 · 17/03/2025 12:18

Itsanewnameeveryday · 17/03/2025 11:50

Exactly, 30 years in Australian health care and administration and I can’t understand how you are expected to pay (unless you went to a private hospital).

Exactly - why involve travel insurance

Arcticrival · 17/03/2025 12:14

octavio1996 · 17/03/2025 09:19

@biscuitsandbooks I declared everything they asked for! I don’t have any history of appendicitis (obviously, or I wouldn’t have a bloody appendix to rupture!), and I’ve never had any issues that should be relevant. They’re saying I didn’t declare mild IBS from years ago, which was never even diagnosed properly and has nothing to do with this. How on earth was I supposed to know that would count?!

I thought travel insurance was meant to cover emergencies, not look for any excuse not to pay. Feeling completely trapped right now.

When a claim is made the travel insurer asks for a GP report. The IBS stuff was obviously showing on your GP records and any investigations you had or they wouldn't know about it. You didn't declare it. Whether it is relevant to appendicitis or not isn't the issue. EVERYTHING needs to be declared when you take out travel insurance within the time period asked eg 2 years 5 years etc, GP visits, any meds taken, any investigations etc.

Get a copy of your application form, see what the time period was. then get a copy of your GP report and see when IBS was last mentioned. You need specific details of dates etc to ahve a successful appeal.

Or if it is showing on your med records withing the last x years which the proposal form asked for then they are right to reject.

May09Bump · 17/03/2025 12:06

Ask for it to be reviewed by the insurance's firm's Chief Medical Officer / complaint adjudicator team as a matter of urgency due to your situation and state that you will be referring to the Financial Ombudsman Service. Ask them to also raise a complaint with their CEO. This normally brings more attention to your case.

Unless there is some Government help or the above process progresses at a very speedy rate, I think the likely scenario is that you will be asked to pay your medical bills before leaving Australia and you will have to fight the Insurance Company when back home to reclaim the cost (if successful on appeal).

I would also put in a Subject Access Request (SAR) to the Insurance Firm to see what exactly they are holding on file regarding your medical conditions, etc - this will help with your appeal to the Financial Ombudsman Service if needed.

Velmy · 17/03/2025 11:51

How long is 'years ago' OP and in what context do the IBS symptoms appear in your medical notes?

A potent vindaloo can cause 'IBS symptoms', but if you've had multiple investigations/referrals over it, they may consider this 'ongoing' if it's fairly recent.

Itsanewnameeveryday · 17/03/2025 11:50

HoppingPavlova · 17/03/2025 09:57

An Australian who is very perplexed. As long as you are entitled to NHS services then you should be covered by the reciprocal agreement, even if you are just here in transit (which would be odd as we are an ‘end’ destination😁). Doesn’t matter that you went beyond A&E, it only matters was that it was a condition requiring emergency treatment, which includes surgery and ICU. What isn’t covered is if we can patch you up so you can hobble back to the UK for treatment, but this isn’t the case here so really confused about the route you are going through. That’s all provided you used the public hospital system, but tbh I can’t fathom in your particular case (emergency appendicitis) how you would have used a private system here.

Exactly, 30 years in Australian health care and administration and I can’t understand how you are expected to pay (unless you went to a private hospital).

Soontobe60 · 17/03/2025 11:46

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 17/03/2025 10:35

Hang on. My travel insurance comes with my Bank account, and I've never been asked to fill out any disclosure forms. So how does that work then?

Me too.

if you look at the policy, it should say somewhere that you need to declare all medical conditions, doctor visits etc. I did this the first time I used the travel insurance with my bank (Barclays) and I update it every time I book a holiday, or annually, whichever comes first. They then send me a copy of everything I’ve disclosed.

Waterweight · 17/03/2025 11:44

Id hand it over to the hospital & let them charge it through insurance

As for what to do next I don't know how you'd go about escalating it. Unfortunately

Parker231 · 17/03/2025 11:41

Reciprocal Health Care Agreement (RHCA):
Eligibility:
UK citizens visiting Australia are eligible for medically necessary treatment under Medicare.

What's Covered:
The RHCA covers essential and urgent medical care, including:
Medically necessary treatment outside of a hospital.

Medically necessary treatment as a public patient in a public hospital.

Certain prescription medicines under the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (PBS).

What's Not Covered:
Pharmaceuticals (unless you're in hospital).

Ambulance services.

Medical evacuations.

Dental treatment.

Pre-existing medical conditions.

People who are not registered as visitors (e.g., those studying in Australia).

Routine medical treatment

  1. Medicare Enrolment:
How to Enrol: You can enroll in Medicare at a local Medicare service centre before or after your treatment.

What to Bring: Bring your passport and a valid visa.

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