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To think my insurance should cover me nearly dying?!

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octavio1996 · 17/03/2025 09:05

Posting here because I’m at my wits’ end and don’t know what to do. Currently stuck in Australia after a total nightmare and my insurance company is refusing to pay out.

Basically, I was travelling here on holiday with DH and the DC (two teens, one younger), having an amazing time. Then out of nowhere, I got really ill massive pain, collapsed, rushed to hospital. Turns out it was a ruptured appendix and I ended up in intensive care for days, genuinely thought I was going to die. DH was beside himself, kids were terrified. The hospital care was amazing but obviously, this is Australia, and the bills are absolutely eye-watering.

Here’s the kicker: my travel insurance is now refusing to pay. They’re saying it’s a “pre-existing condition” (it wasn’t), or that I didn’t declare something minor from years ago that has nothing to do with this. I’ve been on the phone to them constantly, but they’re just fobbing me off. We’ve already had to put thousands on a credit card just to get me discharged. We were meant to fly home next week, but I’m not even sure I’m well enough to travel, and obviously, we can’t afford to stay indefinitely.

Has anyone been in this situation before? Do I have any chance of fighting this, or are we totally screwed? DH is trying to stay calm for the DC, but I can tell he’s panicking too. I just want to go home and not be bankrupt.

TL;DR: Nearly died from a ruptured appendix, travel insurance won’t pay, stuck in Australia with a huge bill. Help!

OP posts:
anyolddinosaur · 17/03/2025 15:03

@biscuitsandbooks First reputable insurers do NOT require you to notify anything that has ever been in your medical records, that's nonsense. If you/ your relatives have insured with companies that specify that more fool you. If you/they have had claims refused did you use the Ombudsman?

Secondly there is legislation about unfair contract terms in this country. I've never insured with a company that would ask for my entire medical history but if I had and had a claim refused for something minor I'd go to the Ombudsman and argue irrelevant and unfair contract term. The legislation about this requires you to disclose what a "reasonable consumer" would declare. Incidentally the HRT claim was being looked at again in the only report I could find. I'd declare it as it's medication if I was on it but wouldnt expect to pay much more to have it included.

If you lie when taking out insurance then yes the Ombudsman will decide against you. But there have been cases, not currently on the website, where the Ombudsman has ruled against companies who refused a claim for something in the medical history the ombudsman agreed a reasonable consumer would not have considered it necessary to declare.

So - having tried to provide some reassurance - the thing people need to be concerned about is getting drunk. That can invalidate your travel insurance. The one time I've had to claim on travel insurance for a hospital visit abroad they were very keen to test for alcohol. However the claim was paid without a complaint being needed since the amount of alcohol that had been consumed was small.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 14:55

BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 14:39

I think if they ask specific, unambiguous questions then obviously they must be answered correctly but I’m assuming they're not expecting you to volunteer old, vague information they haven't asked for. Year’s ago I had a critical illness insurance. Having read up on it over the years it seems it can be a difficult insurance to get a payout for. I got my payout very easily so I must have filled in my forms accurately.

Yes, ultimately it depends on the policy and what OP was asked when she took it out. It does all sound very odd, though.

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 14:55

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 14:09

Many insurance companies require you to tell them about anything you’ve been to a doctor about, even if it didn’t lead to a diagnosis. It’s all in the small print unfortunately.

I agree that insurance companies like to avoid paying out but disclosing all health issues is the norm with travel insurance.

I guess some do! Others seem to ask for anything in the last 12 months, anything you are under a specialist for.

'but disclosing all health issues is the norm with travel insurance'
That's surely the crux of it. IBS is not a health issue for the OP. It's also a functional condition or a diagnosis of exclusion. She had some minor symptoms years ago and no specific diagnosis was made, at least not with her knowledge. No one can possibly be expected to remember every single occasion they have seen a GP. Any insurance company trying to wriggle out of paying on this basis is simply trying to wriggle out of paying.

pinkstripeycat · 17/03/2025 14:50

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BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 14:39

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 14:13

When it comes to claiming, insurers will ask to see your medical records. If it turns out that you haven’t included things, they will deem that as a non-disclosure. Whether it will result in them refusing to pay or not probably depends on the company, but it’s always better to be overly honest than to think “ah, that won’t matter”.

Ultimately insurance companies exist to make money - so if they can avoid paying out, they will.

Edited

I think if they ask specific, unambiguous questions then obviously they must be answered correctly but I’m assuming they're not expecting you to volunteer old, vague information they haven't asked for. Year’s ago I had a critical illness insurance. Having read up on it over the years it seems it can be a difficult insurance to get a payout for. I got my payout very easily so I must have filled in my forms accurately.

bevelino · 17/03/2025 14:34

FeministUnderTheCatriarchy · 17/03/2025 12:55

There's got to be more to this.

OP simply wouldn't be charged for emergency care if a UK citizen.

There's something going on here with this story.

This

I am an insurance lawyer and we do not have the full history from the OP.

Karatema · 17/03/2025 14:17

Cyclebabble · 17/03/2025 09:23

Hi I work for a travel insurer. This turns on what you did not disclose and if you answered the questions fully at the time you purchased the policy. For a major claim an insurer will ask for access to your medical records and if this shows that there is a condition you did not disclose then they would not pay up. I note that the non-disclosure does not have to be directly related to your condition you are now suffering from. If the insurer would not have covered you it will not pay out.

In terms of your options if the insurer is not paying make a formal complaint- noting very clear that this is what you are doing and ask for the case to be reconsidered. If the insurer still does not pay the claim then you can take the case to FOS, the Financial Ombudsman Service. The case will however turn on the reasonableness of disclosure. For example, if your prior condition involved a hospital submission then FOS is unlikely to rule against the insurer- on the grounds that it is unlikely that you would forget this.

A minor treatment at a Doctor's surgery might be more acceptable.

This ^^
It’s absolutely correct. As @Cyclebabblesays put a complaint in to the insurer and then, if the insurer does not resolve, to the FOS. You MUST do it in this order or the FOS will reject your submission.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/03/2025 14:17

I'm sorry that this has happened, OP. My DH had a ruptured appendix abroad and it was horrible. I contacted our travel insurance at the time, who assured me that they would pay out. In the end, the overseas hospital unexpectedly refused to actually charge us so we didn't have to claim.

Yanbu to expect a payout in these circumstances. I really hope you get it sorted, and that you make a quick recovery.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 14:13

BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 13:29

This must be what every day life for Americans is like.

Some posters seem to be insisting you have to log every concern you ever had that made you go to the GP, even when it turns out to be nothing. That can’t be right.

When it comes to claiming, insurers will ask to see your medical records. If it turns out that you haven’t included things, they will deem that as a non-disclosure. Whether it will result in them refusing to pay or not probably depends on the company, but it’s always better to be overly honest than to think “ah, that won’t matter”.

Ultimately insurance companies exist to make money - so if they can avoid paying out, they will.

HazelBite · 17/03/2025 14:11

Today DH has just booked us a 5 day trip to Italy through a Travel Agent. They would not insure him as he had an MRI last week due to arthritic knees! I have countless medical issues all under control with medication but it worries me about getting adequate insurance.

Chenecinquantecinq · 17/03/2025 14:10

CantStopMoving · 17/03/2025 11:08

But the issue comes down to what is a pre existing condition.

i have been to the doctor with a litany of ENt problems. All have come back as benign. I just have an awkward head! 😅 nothing is very serious, just annoying at times. Absolutely no pre existing condition to report. I am officially suffering from nothing whatsoever. What do I need to declare?

For insurance purposes everything even if benign. This is what I do on e mail so there is a paper trail. E mail everything however random so that they have nothing to use against you!

biscuitsandbooks · 17/03/2025 14:09

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 12:45

She's not been dishonest though.

The OP says she was never formally diagnosed. In any case, IBS is not an illness and is a diagnosis of exclusion.

The insurance companies just like to try to get out of paying.

Many insurance companies require you to tell them about anything you’ve been to a doctor about, even if it didn’t lead to a diagnosis. It’s all in the small print unfortunately.

I agree that insurance companies like to avoid paying out but disclosing all health issues is the norm with travel insurance.

mindutopia · 17/03/2025 14:06

It’s awful. This is health insurance for you. Why we should be so grateful for the NHS and that we don’t have these battles getting everyday care.

JudgeJ · 17/03/2025 14:04

GrazeConcern · 17/03/2025 09:28

I think travel insurance is getting ridiculous who on earth can remember every tiny medical appointment where they discussed possible issues which are not even a formal diagnosis. There needs to be a better way for the consumer.

Travel companies have been stung by so many con claims that they tend to refuse claims if they can.

101Nutella · 17/03/2025 13:55

@octavio1996 i had discussions with life insurance and others. I made it clear there was never a formal diagnosis and the test results were concluded with no abnormalities. You’re not a doctor at the end of the day so it’s not for you to self diagnose. And it was fine. I’ve had this bs with my dog’s insurance too and we contest it also on same grounds and get it paid.

also my insurer and my health insurance both have a 5 year limit so if it’s not flared up again they can add it back to cover in insurance. Sounds like your company are being out of order. I’d complain contest, get a letter from your gp confirming it was never a formal diagnosis or you were told you don have it and that during your investigations there were no signs or suggestions of appendicitis.

we have to do that with the dog. Vet writes a letter explaining how the new thing is not related to this historic thing that is an exception.

Ihateslugs · 17/03/2025 13:29

I’ve just taken out travel insurance for a trip to the US. I knew it would cost a lot due to certain ongoing medical conditions - osteoarthritis in both knees, TIA leading to slight vision loss in one eye, high blood pressure and highish cholesterol plus some minor issues. I am no longer under any hospital or consultant for these conditions although I do take a lot of medication to keep things under control.

Before I looked online for cover, I made a list of all my medications and dates of hospital appointments and procedures in last 5 years which meant re reading various letters and reports. I used a comparison website for insurance with or existing medical conditions and chose to look at a company that I recognised rather than the cheapest.

However, when I went through the online form, I found the multiple choice questions did not allow me to fully detail my treatments so decided to phone and talk to an advisor. By going through the questions with him, I was able to ask for an explanation of certain questions and give more detailed information from which he was able to select the best response. I went into minute detail, even down to mild allergies and a skin condition which will never need medical attention on holiday as I was obsessed with not facing any problems abroad.

Interestingly, the quote I accepted via the phone call was over £200 cheaper than the one I got when going online through the comparison site! It still cost me £550 for an 8 day trip to the US but I was expecting to pay a lot before I planned my visit.

I’m now racking my brains trying to think of other visits to my gp over the years that I have forgotten about! As I’m now 65, I’m sure there will be some but the insurance company were only interested in my more recent medical history, many of the questions asked covered the last 5 years. I get very anxious when I read about people like the OP having problems with claims! I certainly would never just choose the cheapest insurance quote.

BunnyLake · 17/03/2025 13:29

This must be what every day life for Americans is like.

Some posters seem to be insisting you have to log every concern you ever had that made you go to the GP, even when it turns out to be nothing. That can’t be right.

Gettingbysomehow · 17/03/2025 13:28

I did insurance gor a good few years as a nurse specialist advisor. They might turn it down if you had abdominal pain or something previously or some other gut condition but it sounds to me like they are linking it to something that wouldn't stand up in court. They often try it on.
Read the pics very carefully then start the appeals/tribunal process. I really can't see how they can link this to a previous illness. Keep going, I'm sure you will be OK.

Babyboomtastic · 17/03/2025 13:28

cathyandclaire · 17/03/2025 13:21

I just checked my travel insurance ( as part of an HSBC account) and like many others it specifies the last 12 months or diagnosed conditions. IBS and many, many other conditions including (surprisingly) controlled and uncomplicated diabetes, asthma, hypertension etc. So this does seem absurdly onerous.

I called up to mention my HRT ( menopause not on the list) and the call operator said that menopause is not considered a condition, just a part of life, so HRT does not need to be declared.

Good luck OP, this seems very unfair. I’m a doctor and putting ? IBS and watching and waiting with no investigation or treatment for 5 years is NOT a diagnosis.

I'm glad you checked about the HRT. Recently a woman didn't declare her HRT and was left with a huge bill after being rushed to hospital with a brain tumour. The ombudsman ruled in favour of the insurers that she should have declared her HRT. I guess it varies from insurer to insurer.

How many of us have been travelling for decades on invalid insurance because we didn't mention the Pill or HRT?

cathyandclaire · 17/03/2025 13:21

I just checked my travel insurance ( as part of an HSBC account) and like many others it specifies the last 12 months or diagnosed conditions. IBS and many, many other conditions including (surprisingly) controlled and uncomplicated diabetes, asthma, hypertension etc. So this does seem absurdly onerous.

I called up to mention my HRT ( menopause not on the list) and the call operator said that menopause is not considered a condition, just a part of life, so HRT does not need to be declared.

Good luck OP, this seems very unfair. I’m a doctor and putting ? IBS and watching and waiting with no investigation or treatment for 5 years is NOT a diagnosis.

ohtowinthelottery · 17/03/2025 13:13

I read this story online the other day OP. Don't know if it's any help but the insurers did at least pay out in the end.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/experts/article-14487513/amp/My-insurer-wont-pay-cardiac-arrest-earache-18-months-ago-SALLY-SORTS-IT.html

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 13:08

mumda · 17/03/2025 13:07

If this means everything that you've ever been to the doctor with then they may as well just have access to our medical records before they insure us.

Exactly. This is what I said above.
No one can possible remember every single occasion they have been to see a doctor since they were born.

Sinkintotheswamp · 17/03/2025 13:08

Wouldn't it be easier for the insurance company to access medical notes when applying for insurance? I can't remember everything I've been to the GP for. Just as well I can't afford to go abroad.

mumda · 17/03/2025 13:07

If this means everything that you've ever been to the doctor with then they may as well just have access to our medical records before they insure us.

rainingsnoring · 17/03/2025 13:07

User19876536484 · 17/03/2025 12:57

I suppose it depends on what you consider to be an illness.

Searching online, the consensus seems to be that IBS is a “condition”.

The definition of a condition is given as

“A 'medical condition' refers to a specific health issue or illness that can be diagnosed by healthcare providers based on symptoms, medication use, or diagnostic testing. It includes a wide range of conditions that impact an individual's health and ability to function, such as chronic diseases or acute illnesses”

Based on that would have assumed that it would have to be declared, although never being formally diagnosed with it does muddy the waters somewhat.

If you use that definition, it would seem best to send them a full copy of your medical record from the outset. Any reasonable definition of medical conditions to be declared would be current health conditions (or those that you have suffered from in the last 12 or 24 months) that increase your risk of making a claim, not a bloated tummy 5 years ago, a chest infection 10 years ago or childhood eczema.
As I have said, the insurance company are just trying to catch claimants out. There has been no dishonesty here and IBS is not linked to the appendicitis.

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