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To think he was being passive aggressive?

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mountaincloud · 16/03/2025 17:11

So DP and I have a joint account which we pay a set, equal amount into every month. Rent, bills and weekly food shops come out of this account, and we have a buffer in there for anything house-related that needs buying. We pay for our own cars and all personal things separately, from our own accounts. DP earns slightly more than me, but when we agreed the equal amount (years ago now) it was on the basis that he would cover more (but not all) of the costs for things like restaurant meals, days out, trips etc.

This has worked fine for a number of years, but I am finding things a bit more difficult recently with the cost of living. After my car payments I have between £200-300 left over to cover my petrol, toiletries/makeup, socialising etc.
I've found over the last year or so that if it's a particularly busy month with family birthdays etc I can be left with literally £5 a few days before payday.

This month was one of those occasions (I get paid on the 14th). Last week I was waiting for my expenses to come in from a work trip I'd been sent on, and literally had about £8 in my bank. I had mentioned this to DP - that I was annoyed at how long work were taking to pay me the expenses back because it had left me skint. In similar situations in the past if it's been a few days before payday and I've needed money to go and do/buy something then DP has always been happy to send me the money and I send it back to him on payday.

One night last week, a fairly essential item of mine broke whilst I was using it, and DP offered to drive me to the retail park to get a new one. So we went, and I (perhaps wrongfully) assumed he was planning to pay for it, as I'd told him earlier in the week I had no money. When we were getting out of the car I noticed he'd left his wallet in the car, and I said "have you got the means to pay for this?" i.e. have you got your card or cash on you.

He basically flipped out at me, saying how rude it was that I "just expect him to pay for things", to which I said I don't, but you know I have no money. He said he didn't believe me! and I had to get my bank account up to prove it to him. I then said it was fine if he didn't want to buy it, I could wait until I get paid, but he said no, he would pay. There was a lot of huffing and puffing the whole time interspersed with mini-rants about me being rude and cheeky.

Anyway, he bought it and it hasn't been mentioned since. I sent him the money straight away on payday and considered the whole thing forgotten.

Yesterday we went to a country park for a walk. On the drive there he said he was hungry and wanted to stop at a particular fast food place. When we walked into the place, he said "I haven't got my card so you'll have to pay". I said ok. He ordered quite a bit of food and I paid. Then at the end of the walk, he was hungry again and wanted food from a nearby (expensive!) cafe, which again I paid for. Then on the drive home he said he wanted to stop at the supermarket to get drinks/snacks for the night, and again, I obliged.

I didn't think anything of this at the time, but today I've been reflecting and it feels odd. I spent almost £50 yesterday including parking, which is a hefty chunk of my money for the month. He's not mentioned giving me any of the money back. And something that clicked in my mind earlier was that in all the years I've known him, I've NEVER ever known him to forget or not bring his wallet/card when we've gone out anywhere. So I started playing yesterday over in my mind and thought actually, when he said "I haven't got my card so you'll have to pay" he did say it in a very blunt, cold way.

So now, I don't know if I'm being paranoid, but part of me feels like he did it on purpose... either to prove a point about being made to pay for things, or maybe he wanted me to refuse to pay for something so he could have a go at me about last week? But equally it could be totally innocent and I'm just overreacting. I thought best to consult MN before I say anything or ask for the money back, because I don't want to cause an argument especially if he genuinely did just forget his card.

AIBU to think he did it on purpose?

OP posts:
gamerchick · 17/03/2025 12:23

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 16/03/2025 20:31

People manage without straighteners and hair dryers 🤣

I don't shave my head wtf?

They're essential items. Not everyone can wash and go. If you can't see that then that person either shaves their head, had fine none faffy hair, doesnt give a toss about their appearance or they're a bloke.

venusandmars · 17/03/2025 11:48

@mountaincloud I understand how scary it can feel with you family financial background, and I think you manage your money really well, and are sensible not to get into debt. Well done.

I agree with other posters that getting a credit card could help ease the situation. I have one and I have it set up so that my main account pays off the full balance every month (hence no interest). It helps me to smooth out the fluctuations of an expensive month vs a less expensive one. It means you are using the bank to cover things, rather than your partner. Of course that only works if you continue to be so disciplined with your spending and are not tempted to rack up your credit...

Separately, you need to sit down with your partner and have a discussion about how the COL increase is affecting you both - your household expenses, and your personal spending. Not with any expectation that he will pay more, but simply for transparency - sharing how much you have in your (small) savings, and sharing what you are doing, or could do, to cut back on household expenses and on personal spend - and you have to be brutal with your own spending, even cutting down on spending on your dn. Of course he needs to be willing to share the same information.

If you can pare back your own spending (on household and personal expenses) then when you get your pay rise you can put that into a savings account. I guess that would make you feel more in control, and would give you a buffer so that you could spend more on presents for dn.

Then, at some point you need to talk about what each of you expect financially for the future. Any promotion prospects? How you will manage if COL continues to increase. What you woud do if one of you lost their job, or if you became pregnant. Are you genuinely on the same page with regards to your finances and your expectations? If not, how do you navigate that?

Having contributed equally over many, many years, my income suddenly stopped when Covid lockdown hit. I told dp the impact and of course he was willing to pay more into the 'household bills' pot. His words: " of course, I'll transfer £x amount. Just let me know next month if I need to do the same." On the face of it that sounds great, but I also know how awful, and grasping, and unequal I felt having to beg ask for financial support. I said it didn't work for me to have to ask every month. dp then changed his standing order - without a fuss - but because he'd never been in a position of financial inequality and having to ask for support, he didn't really understand the difference between the 2 positions.

pizzaHeart · 17/03/2025 10:58

And a hairdryer is an essential household item.

pizzaHeart · 17/03/2025 10:56

@mountaincloud
I know it’s your call but your update doesn’t sit right with me.
Your militant way of dividing items gives me a vibe of trying frantically not to rely on each other, especially on your side. I wonder if it’s because you don’t feel you can rely on your DP in a difficulty and in an emergency but the point of a relationship is that you support each other if something happens.

I wouldn’t count lending you some money for petrol as help by the way. You put how grateful you were!!! It would be non event in our household.
Yes, your system worked well when everything was ok but once you had tiny bits of problems - your DP showed his true colours ( sorry for the cliche) Just imagine what response you would get from him if you were in a really difficult situation e.g serious illness or disability.

I thought I was biased about your post as a female so read it to my DH yesterday. He stopped me at your quarrel at the car park and said: She needs to leave, how can she be with this man? Hope they don’t have children. That’s male perspective if you want.

ScribblingPixie · 17/03/2025 09:50

After your update I still think the same - you need to arrange an overdraft facility or credit card in the short term for yourself because all you are doing now is using your DP as your overdraft facility and he objects to it.

You need to build up a cushion for yourself - sell some clothes, earn a bit extra or whatever so you don't need the overdraft. The cost of living is biting a lot of us ATM, it's becoming impossible to stay afloat in the same way.

Then revisit your shared finances including looking for ways to cut down on your monthly bills - Martin Lewis' site is good for this.

Have a good think about your future in this relationship and whether your rigidly separate finances are an indication of problems ahead and how to make things better if possible.

Scarydinosaurs · 17/03/2025 00:05

I think you need to find ways to top your money up that don’t involve him.

You don’t use an overdraft, but borrow from your OH? That doesn’t make sense. I would also forego a hairdryer.

And definitely ask for that money back. Be transparent about your finances, show bank statements - you need better financial “buffers” than you currently have.

Codlingmoths · 17/03/2025 00:00

Not a man anyone should have children with if you’re thinking about that.

mountaincloud · 16/03/2025 23:54

The hairdryer was £26. The amount I spent on his food and drinks yesterday was £42. Plus £4.50 parking = £46.50 spent.

We're quite strict about only using the joint account for bills, weekly shop, and planned joint purchases or emergencies. This was my idea from the start tbh because I don't like the idea of dipping into it as and when - it can quickly become hassle and I think it's easy to fall into the habit of not topping it back up properly. My mum had a bills account when I was a kid and I remember her doing that and it causing problems for her later down the line.

I also don't have a credit card, or an overdraft, for the same reasons. They caused a lot of trouble for my mum and I didn't want to fall into the same trap. I do have a savings account but there aren't reams in it and I don't touch it.
I know I'm probably a bit traumatised from the financial insecurity I experienced growing up but I've always tried to be careful with money and not get into debt.

That's why when the hairdryer broke I first thought oh well, I can just wait until payday. And to the pp who said a hairdryer isn't essential - I get that! But similar to another pp my hairstyle and hair type requires blow drying and straightening otherwise it looks awful and not very presentable. The job I'm in, I'm expected to look polished and presentable so yeah, it wasn't an emergency but it was ideal for me to replace it ASAP.

DP doesn't use the hairdryer at all so I see it as a personal expense. I know some people seem to think we're overly militant about joint vs separate expenditure but I honestly don't think we are. This method has worked for us with no problems (until now, clearly!). We both have friends dotted around the country, we have some hobbies and interests that differ, so it just seemed fair and logical for us to cover our own expenses as what we spend in a month can vary wildly (although this is mostly a thing of the past for me now).

As an example of how it works - we do a standard food shop every week. But if I'm popping into Sainsbury's on the way home because I fancy some wine and chocolate, I'll pay from my own account - but I would always ring him and ask if he wants something, which would go on my card. And vice versa. When I have been flush, I've paid for meals and treats etc. I offer to split when I can. If not then he pays and I do check this before we go out. Over the years I think the balance has been fair and proportionate.

As I said, this situation of being short at the end of the month is new to me. Our rent and various bills went up last year, increasing the amount we both put into the JA. As the lower earner I've obviously struggled with it more. Also last year my work pretty much scrapped WFH so I've had to go into the office a lot more which has increased my outgoings on petrol and parking. As well as everything just generally costing more now.

Obviously I'm now spending less, both on myself and on him. Borrowing from him at the end of the month is also new. At Christmas, admittedly, I did spend a lot on nights out and presents for people (particularly my 2 DNs). No more than I'd usually spend on Christmas really, but a few days before pay in Jan I had to ask DP for petrol money. He was totally fine about it, didn't seem bothered at all, I made it clear I was massively grateful and paid him back on payday. I did feel bad about it and have tried to be more careful since.

Now that I've written it out I think I understand his behaviour more. I can see that 2 occasions in 3 months might be a cause for concern to him. And as PPs have suggested I need to have a chat with him about finances and maybe reducing the amount I pay into the JA until my annual payrise kicks in.

But it still doesn't sit right. I've never put him out of pocket - he always has loads in his current acct and he gets paid at the end of the month. He knows I earn less, and that I've cut down massively on things. I used to go out with friends often - now it's once every 3 months if that. And he knows I don't have family to fall back on as he does. I've never demanded anything from him, never been bothered about gifts or fancy holidays or restaurants.
But he obviously isn't happy with the situation and I am feeling quite low about it now to be honest. He still hasn't offered to pay the money. I don't know if it's just that he genuinely doesn't understand my position and thinks I'm taking the piss out of him.

OP posts:
StarDolphins · 16/03/2025 21:41

You paid him back straight away for your essential items and he’s just spent £50 of your money to get one up. Nope, I’d pull him up about this op. He seems bitter & spiteful!

sometimesmovingforwards · 16/03/2025 21:41

mountaincloud · 16/03/2025 19:33

I think you're right and you've put it into words better than I could - about justifying his own response and then doubling down when I didn't bite.
I was completely none the wiser at the time, but looking back that's absolutely what it seems like. The wanting to go to three different places was completely out of character as we would never do that normally. And at the fast food place I added something to his order on the screen and he said, again quite bluntly and out of character, "I want two". Looking back it felt like he was trying to provoke a reaction.

He thinks you’re grabby.
He was making a point to show you what it feels like to have a partner not pull their weight financially.
The fact it irked you was the whole point.

LoveWine123 · 16/03/2025 21:38

The comment you made to him about paying for the hairdryer was extremely rude. And you are both extremely petty in the way you count every pound and owing each other for drinks and daily stuff. I really wouldn’t want to live like this.

JustAboutHangingInThere · 16/03/2025 21:33

This doesn’t seem like a partnership. To go out of his way to ‘get his own back’ just isn’t very nice. He’s not got your back.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 16/03/2025 21:30

Yes he was being PA. And in quite a nasty way given he knows you're a bit broke at the moment.

You accept you were rude the other day. There was s a mis communication where you assumed something that he didn't intend, and from your part it cane across as rude. That happens sometimes in a long relationship.

What should happen next is he says 'I didn't like the way you spoke to me the other day, it felt like I was being taken for granted' and then you have a conversation about it. Him deciding to 'teach you a lesson' by deliberately 'forgetting' his wallet and then ordering stuff he doesn't actually really need or want, is really off to be honest. Not nice. It's quite controlling to decide that you need to be punished and carry that out.

Don't have a baby with him or get married without another discussion about how you split finances. It's not really a partnership if both parties are pulling their weight as much as they're able, but one is left with a few hundred more than the other at the end of each month

ScribblingPixie · 16/03/2025 21:20

Perhaps I've missed it, but haven't you got an overdraft facility on your own account? You need to get one or use a credit card judiciously - atm you seem to be using your DP as your overdraft facility which has wound him up. Then gradually save to build up more of a safety net. It won't be easy because the COL is biting everyone at the moment but when you're on top of your own finances you can talk about adjusting your financial arrangements with your DP from an equal footing.

SlimeSuspect · 16/03/2025 21:20

Please don’t have children with this man!

CluelessAboutBiology · 16/03/2025 21:11

You mentioned your joint account covers good shopping, so I assume you have debit cards for that account. If so, use the debit cards for snacks when you go out together.

could you get a credit card specifically for putting your work expenses on?

Onelifeonly · 16/03/2025 21:06

Sorry I don't understand a partnership where one partner won't pay for the other, or at least lend each other money. I assume you aren't married as you refer to him as DP, but since you live together, he should be supporting you as needed, financially or otherwise.

AgnesX · 16/03/2025 20:58

What he did was prick-ish frankly. It goes to illustrate though, that not only are you not on the same page with regards to money, you're probably reading totally different books.

You need to sit down and discuss your joint finances but if it doesn't clear things up you need to look at your future. Personally I couldn't live with a man who behaved like that, or was happy to leave me short.

pizzaHeart · 16/03/2025 20:50

Rhaidimiddim · 16/03/2025 19:45

Frankly, OP, this souns like it is verg8ng on financial.abuse.
As in, he knows you have no money, because you tokd him, and FIRST RED FLAG he's OK with that - your problem, not our problem.Then an essential household item breaks, at a point wher he knows you have no money. But he drives you out to buy a new obe, then acts all surprised when you show you expected him to cover the cost. Again, a big red flag.
Then the nwxt day he is deliberately deciding he wants to buy tjis, andvthen that, and somehow ( how, OP?) you are made to pay for it all - despite your long-standing agreement that he covers extras, and him knowing you are struggling.
All these birthday bits - do they come out of the joint account?
OP - please consider that you are being financially abused.
And, if that diesn't fit, please consider that the way your husband treated you, that prompted you to post here, was actually not-very-nice- moving-into-abuse. You're supposed to be a team, sharing and having each others' backs....

This ^

OP, I feel sick reading your posts.
What kind of relationship is this?
Yes, you were blunt when you asked him on the way to the shop but it was because his behaviour was very weird. In what planet this conversation about hairdryer would be anything but the offer just to go and buy a hairdryer together so you can choose as it’s more important for you??? So do you have separate hairdryers?

I don’t know how old are you but the best thing you can do is to text him asking politely for his share of food and then start planing your separation.
This story about you crying when you were young was absolutely heartbreaking. It showed that he would never ever help you in a difficult situation e.g if you were unwell, made redundant etc etc
Its not a relationship. It’s using you for flatshare, sex and possibly cooking or whatever it is you are doing around the house.

arcticpandas · 16/03/2025 20:47

I hope you're going to tell him how much he owes you OP? I couldn't be with someone like this tbh..

Zeitumschaltung · 16/03/2025 20:35

You shouldn’t be in financial difficulties because you are advancing your company travel expenses. I would explore other options with them to avoid this. For example, when I was travelling frequently, the place I worked then advanced me something so they never actually owed me money.

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 16/03/2025 20:31

gamerchick · 16/03/2025 20:07

Speak for yourself. My hairstyle needs straighters and a hairdryer or I'm fucked. You might shave your head and be ready for the day with some oil but some of us need the heat to tame the locks.

I keep spares though.

People manage without straighteners and hair dryers 🤣

I don't shave my head wtf?

ScrewedByFunding · 16/03/2025 20:27

mountaincloud · 16/03/2025 19:43

I've responded to the comments about me being rude in a previous post on page 1.

Actually you haven't. I've read back and you address the fact that you shouldn't have assumed he was going to pay. But actually even if he was paying and aware, the way you spoke to him was awful. Is English your first language? I just cannot imagine those words coming out of my mouth to come on who is about to do me a favour.

DaffodilsGalore · 16/03/2025 20:15

Yep he did that to get to make you react.

But it would Akso make me think that a review of your financial organisation might need to be reviewed.
Because if you have felt the pinch several times when you were together agd he never has, that tells me that you never spend £300 on restaurants etc…. /he is restraining spending around that in his tight months or maybe he is better at budgeting!
His attitude and using the ‘system’ as a payback would make me think twice.

gamerchick · 16/03/2025 20:07

FallOfTheHouseOfUtterlyButterly · 16/03/2025 19:58

It was obviously a hairdryer, curlers, straightner or maybe electric razor

A completely Non-essential item which some people think is essential

Speak for yourself. My hairstyle needs straighters and a hairdryer or I'm fucked. You might shave your head and be ready for the day with some oil but some of us need the heat to tame the locks.

I keep spares though.

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