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US democracy is about to die

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 13:03

... So many indicators for this, the most recent is Trump calling for the DoJ to go after his enemies:

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kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:43

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:38

to be honest my news comes from mumsnet overall, i dont bother facting other websides, other than using the guardian and wall street journal then thats it

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So why argue on politics at all?

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:42

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:36

from the bbc "Breitbart that quoted some of Rasool's recent remarks made during an online lecture about the Trump administration."

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Yes and Breitbart is a fake news source.
So their quotes by definition are unverified news.
In my opinion a government should not use unverified news sources which have a white supremacists bias. Especially if they are supposedly citing a black person.
Nor should the same government deport "brown" people without due process.
Makes you wonder...

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:41

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ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:38

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:37

🙄
As if you didn't know that Breitbart was a fake news source.
Come on now, next you're gonna tell us that Farage isn't extremely right-wing.

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to be honest my news comes from mumsnet overall, i dont bother facting other websides, other than using the guardian and wall street journal then thats it

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:37

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:33

now i know that i switched to the bbc for my source,

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🙄
As if you didn't know that Breitbart was a fake news source.
Come on now, next you're gonna tell us that Farage isn't extremely right-wing.

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:37

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2025 14:35

And they are back with yet another name Confused

do you have anything to help with this debate or just making unfounded assumptions ? at least im taking part in a debate

tinydynamine · 16/03/2025 14:36

What has happened to the checks and balances I kept hearing about when I studied Politics?

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:36

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:34

So the ambassador was expelled citing a fake news source?

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from the bbc "Breitbart that quoted some of Rasool's recent remarks made during an online lecture about the Trump administration."

TitusMoan · 16/03/2025 14:35

KenAdams · 16/03/2025 14:11

You won't be able to get there though as plane bathrooms are gender neutral.

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Stupid comment. Plane toilets (not ‘bathrooms’) are absolutely minute and you can’t get two people in there. The cabin crew are right outside it most of the time. It’s not like going to the ladies’ toilets at an airport only to find that a man with full meat and two veg and a flowery dress on is waiting behind you while you look for a vacant toilet cubicle, or a shower cubicle.

Look up the meaning of ‘disingenuous’ why don’t you.

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2025 14:35

And they are back with yet another name Confused

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:34

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:25

then i give you the bbc context of what happened : South African ambassador 'no longer welcome' in US, Rubio says - BBC News

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So the ambassador was expelled citing a fake news source?

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:33

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:30

Breitbart is a far right news site known for having editors associating with white supremacists and spreading fake news. It is a commentary site, not a news source.

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now i know that i switched to the bbc for my source,

kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:30

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:17

without research then i have no comment to refute your question

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Breitbart is a far right news site known for having editors associating with white supremacists and spreading fake news. It is a commentary site, not a news source.

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:28

The President of the United States (for federal martial law).
State Governors (for martial law within their states).

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:28

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:23

did you researc what the person called trump, that in it self is an offence if true and if compaines can dismis people for views the adovcate on their social media then why should the president not to the same /

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Because precisely the role of a government is not the same as that of a CEO. A government has to handle whatever another state representative claims in a diplomatic manner. It is almost an irrelevance what the guy said. What matters is how the US representatives respond to those claims. I guarantee you that summarily expelling an ambassador (thus suspending diplomatic ties) is a very drastic move.
And frankly let's face it, there is a strong suspicion now that this is indeed turning into a white supremacist regime. Interesting that they take offence at that while throwing nazi salutes all over the shop.

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ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:26

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 16/03/2025 14:24

I am concerned that Trump could get away with martial law, and MAGA will applaud because they don't consider Trump as the "govt". Hence why they are all so delighted to see the dismantling of federal agencies, Trump is dismantling a corrupt govt that doesn't work for MAGA in their opinion. The cognitive dissonance is strong with them.

fema already has a wide range of powers

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 16/03/2025 14:24

I am concerned that Trump could get away with martial law, and MAGA will applaud because they don't consider Trump as the "govt". Hence why they are all so delighted to see the dismantling of federal agencies, Trump is dismantling a corrupt govt that doesn't work for MAGA in their opinion. The cognitive dissonance is strong with them.

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:23

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:19

I am not a diplomat but the whole purpose of diplomacy is to resolve disputes and manage relationships. Simply expelling the representative of a friendly state (there is no war between the US and SA) is a grave move and I would argue a very OTT one for what is an alleged controversial statement.
Plus let's face it, SA still has the scars of the Apartheid. Of course they can't be too pleased with the direction of travel in the US.

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did you researc what the person called trump, that in it self is an offence if true and if compaines can dismis people for views the adovcate on their social media then why should the president not to the same /

lookingfortheadult · 16/03/2025 14:22

Yarvin is a scary character, highlighting that one can be intelligent on paper but that is not applied effectively to reality. His theories on removing democracy to be replaced with a "CEO" who imposes actions could be considered simply far right theorising but the fear is that he is closely influencing key players (Vance, Musk, Peter Thiel, ultimately Trump) and we are now increasingly seeing elements of his theories come into play.

I would love to see the Democrats mobilise but this doesn't seem to be happening so will be interesting how the RoW holds their ground.

I'm not typically one to catastrophise. I like pragmatic solutions. But I do find myself seeing increasing similarities between the Handmaids Tale and current US reality (extremely rich, powerful, white men deciding there is a "better" way of doing things to create a new order). I like to think it's not possible to happen in reality, in today's world but I do find the similarities a little chilling.

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:20

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:17

without research then i have no comment to refute your question

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Bannon was the head of Breitbart news. It's a MAGA mouthpiece.

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:19

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:15

but what if what they say does not deserves a response if they cannot put forward a logical argument or debate on why they think trump is x, any one can spout x but to put forward a proper debate then its worth considering ?

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I am not a diplomat but the whole purpose of diplomacy is to resolve disputes and manage relationships. Simply expelling the representative of a friendly state (there is no war between the US and SA) is a grave move and I would argue a very OTT one for what is an alleged controversial statement.
Plus let's face it, SA still has the scars of the Apartheid. Of course they can't be too pleased with the direction of travel in the US.

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kattaduck · 16/03/2025 14:17

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:05

but considering what its being used for then why is that a bad thing ?

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It is a bad thing because deporting people without due process is against the law.
One of the man was deported because he just had the wrong tattoos.

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:17

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:10

And by the way, Breitbart... never biased is it?

without research then i have no comment to refute your question

ForLilacLeader · 16/03/2025 14:15

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 14:13

And it's not 'tit for tat' - if someone offends you you answer, you engage with them.

but what if what they say does not deserves a response if they cannot put forward a logical argument or debate on why they think trump is x, any one can spout x but to put forward a proper debate then its worth considering ?

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