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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 13:03

... So many indicators for this, the most recent is Trump calling for the DoJ to go after his enemies:

Dear American friends, I hope you find a peaceful way out of this. As for us here, I can only hope we keep the contagion at bay.

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YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:36

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 18:34

I wholeheartedly agree with you; I am a believer in democracy's resilience - but there are red flags right now that are there for everyone to see.
What do you think the opposition should be doing then? How will the institutions fight back right now, especially as the regime seems to be determined to ignore them?

The opposition must do what it has always done when facing an administration that overreaches: use every tool available, relentlessly and without hesitation. The courts may be ignored today, but laws are not written in sand. Litigate everything, drag every overreach into the daylight, and make every legal maneuverer as costly as possible. Congress if it has the spine must use its power to investigate, obstruct, and, if necessary, shut down the very mechanisms that enable executive defiance.

Then there’s the public. The moment people believe the system is lost, it is. Mobilization, protest, pressure campaigns these are not just symbolic gestures. They are fuel for the institutions that still hold power. No regime, no matter how determined, survives if the people, the courts, and the opposition refuse to play along.

Democracy’s resilience isn’t just in its institutions it’s in the willingness of those who believe in it to fight tooth and nail to defend it. The question isn’t whether democracy will hold. It’s whether its defenders are willing to play as ruthlessly as its challengers

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 18:34

YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:31

Cancer? Please. Democracy has survived wars, corruption, assassinations, and enough scandals to make the devil blush. It doesn’t wither at the first sign of a tumour it adapts, fights back, and outlives the ones who think they can bring it down.

Swift action? Of course. But panic is the enemy of strategy. The so-called horde may be loud, but noise is not power. Real power lies in institutions, in laws, in the slow, grinding gears of the system. If you think democracy is on its deathbed, you underestimate just how deep its roots go. The republic doesn’t fall because of a single man or a fleeting movement. It endures because it was built to withstand them.

I wholeheartedly agree with you; I am a believer in democracy's resilience - but there are red flags right now that are there for everyone to see.
What do you think the opposition should be doing then? How will the institutions fight back right now, especially as the regime seems to be determined to ignore them?

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YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:34

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 18:32

Democracy requires an administration that respects the rule of law and the results of elections. The current US administration does neither. That's not to say that they cannot be displaced through some means other than voting or court order, but if those means become necessary, it is an acknowledgement that you are not currently living in a democracy.

Ah, but democracy is not defined by the character of one administration it’s defined by the system’s ability to correct itself. Leaders come and go, some with grace, others kicking and screaming, but the machinery of democracy grinds on.

If an administration defies the rule of law, the response isn’t to declare democracy dead it’s to use the very mechanisms built to restrain power. Elections, courts, legislatures, even the will of the people in the streets these are the antibodies of a democracy fighting off infection. If alternative means become necessary, it’s not proof that democracy has failed, but that it is in the process of defending itself. Democracy isn’t a static ideal; it’s a battlefield, and so long as the fight continues, it lives

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 18:32

YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:22

Democracy isn’t some fragile bird waiting to be caged it’s a beast that adapts, evolves, and devours those who underestimate it. Power shifts, leaders rise and fall, but the system endures because it was built to survive ambition, scandal, and even the occasional demagogue.

Now, some will argue that it all falls apart when a President starts ignoring court orders. But power is never absolute, and defiance breeds its own consequences. Presidents who play king soon find out that even the most stacked judiciary has limits and so does the patience of the people.

The beauty of democracy isn’t in its perfection it’s in its resilience. Let the doubters wring their hands; the republic stands, as it always has, unshaken by the tempests of politics

Democracy requires an administration that respects the rule of law and the results of elections. The current US administration does neither. That's not to say that they cannot be displaced through some means other than voting or court order, but if those means become necessary, it is an acknowledgement that you are not currently living in a democracy.

YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:31

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 18:29

Yes. But complacency can be fatal. There is a cancer spreading right now and it's aggressive. It would be good to see swift effective action to safeguard democracy. Right now it looks like the horde is on a rampage and practically unchecked.

Cancer? Please. Democracy has survived wars, corruption, assassinations, and enough scandals to make the devil blush. It doesn’t wither at the first sign of a tumour it adapts, fights back, and outlives the ones who think they can bring it down.

Swift action? Of course. But panic is the enemy of strategy. The so-called horde may be loud, but noise is not power. Real power lies in institutions, in laws, in the slow, grinding gears of the system. If you think democracy is on its deathbed, you underestimate just how deep its roots go. The republic doesn’t fall because of a single man or a fleeting movement. It endures because it was built to withstand them.

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 18:29

YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:22

Democracy isn’t some fragile bird waiting to be caged it’s a beast that adapts, evolves, and devours those who underestimate it. Power shifts, leaders rise and fall, but the system endures because it was built to survive ambition, scandal, and even the occasional demagogue.

Now, some will argue that it all falls apart when a President starts ignoring court orders. But power is never absolute, and defiance breeds its own consequences. Presidents who play king soon find out that even the most stacked judiciary has limits and so does the patience of the people.

The beauty of democracy isn’t in its perfection it’s in its resilience. Let the doubters wring their hands; the republic stands, as it always has, unshaken by the tempests of politics

Yes. But complacency can be fatal. There is a cancer spreading right now and it's aggressive. It would be good to see swift effective action to safeguard democracy. Right now it looks like the horde is on a rampage and practically unchecked.

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YourAmberPoet · 16/03/2025 18:22

Democracy isn’t some fragile bird waiting to be caged it’s a beast that adapts, evolves, and devours those who underestimate it. Power shifts, leaders rise and fall, but the system endures because it was built to survive ambition, scandal, and even the occasional demagogue.

Now, some will argue that it all falls apart when a President starts ignoring court orders. But power is never absolute, and defiance breeds its own consequences. Presidents who play king soon find out that even the most stacked judiciary has limits and so does the patience of the people.

The beauty of democracy isn’t in its perfection it’s in its resilience. Let the doubters wring their hands; the republic stands, as it always has, unshaken by the tempests of politics

StandFirm · 16/03/2025 18:19

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 17:22

Although I agree this was one of the flaws in their democracy, it hardly matters once the President starts ignoring court orders.

Not good. This is forcing a constitutional crisis.

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HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 17:22

ExtraOnions · 16/03/2025 17:17

Democracy will always be under threat in the US, as Judges are political appointments. You need an Independant judiciary if democracy is ever to be protected.

Although I agree this was one of the flaws in their democracy, it hardly matters once the President starts ignoring court orders.

AgnesX · 16/03/2025 17:21

Happyinarcon · 16/03/2025 14:05

If America bans gender neutral bathrooms I’ll book a holiday there

Presumably you're white?

ExtraOnions · 16/03/2025 17:17

Democracy will always be under threat in the US, as Judges are political appointments. You need an Independant judiciary if democracy is ever to be protected.

cakeorwine · 16/03/2025 16:52

GinAndJuice99 · 16/03/2025 16:46

There’s a politics board for this sort of thing. Most people don’t want to see it on AIBU and you should respect that

Just hide it away and don't talk about it.....

DuncinToffee · 16/03/2025 16:49

GinAndJuice99 · 16/03/2025 16:46

There’s a politics board for this sort of thing. Most people don’t want to see it on AIBU and you should respect that

You could just scroll past

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 16:49

GinAndJuice99 · 16/03/2025 16:46

There’s a politics board for this sort of thing. Most people don’t want to see it on AIBU and you should respect that

Just pretend the OP phrased it as "AIBU or is US democracy about to die", all sorted.

GinAndJuice99 · 16/03/2025 16:46

There’s a politics board for this sort of thing. Most people don’t want to see it on AIBU and you should respect that

2024onwardsandup · 16/03/2025 16:42

SwerveCity · 16/03/2025 15:36

Why would Trump want to enforce martial law? What would he or America gain from that? (Genuine question.)

Power and money. A tale as old as time

StartEngine · 16/03/2025 16:40

LauderSyme · 16/03/2025 13:36

@BigDecisionWorthIt "How does the Alien Enemies act impact Western Nations?"

I didn't say it does, directly. But it's invocation is an indication of the fascist direction in which the US government is heading, and that affects us all. Just ask 1930s Europeans.

You are naive in the extreme if you think Trump will restrict himself to using the Act purely to remove terrorists. He already had the powers to do that.

Anyway, he doesn't care about terrorists when their agenda serves him and his positions. He supports them and celebrates them and pardons them.

Much like he doesn't care about rapists and criminals in the country. He talks about deporting all the illegal ones whilst importing Andrew Tate. He doesn't give a shit about the crimes, only the ethnicity of the perpetrators.

This 100%.

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 16:34

I hadn't actually seen that the Trump administration just ignored a court order and carried on with deportations regardless.

So, there you have it. Checks and balances only worked for so long as people in office were willing to respect them. We now have confirmation, were it still needed, that the Executive will no longer respect the Judiciary.

So weird that Americans chose to flush their democracy down the shitter for some mentally deficient reality TV star.

HangryLilacGoose · 16/03/2025 16:18

I think they'll likely still have some sort of an election in 2028, it just either won't be free and fair or the results of it won't be respected (basically, what he tried to do last time, but this time with far more preparation).

What remains of the free world really needs to cease relying in American tech and military equipment, ASAP.

cakeorwine · 16/03/2025 16:09

In a few months time, it's going to be the 80th Anniversary of the end of WW2 in Europe followed closely by VJ Day,

When Allies fought together to protect democracy.

It's going to be a very strange event given what's happening at the moment

SirDanielBrackley · 16/03/2025 16:07

No, I don't think US Democracy is about to die.

The Democratic Party on the other hand ....

Jabtastic · 16/03/2025 16:06

It really is a very strange time to be alive.

cakeorwine · 16/03/2025 16:03

Israel has the Devil's Advocate Unit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Advocate_Unit

It's role is basically to play Devil's Advocate, to question common assumptions and to propose unlikely scenarios.

I hope the UK and other Governments have similar - "What if the USA turns out not to be our ally?"

Devil's Advocate Unit - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Advocate_Unit

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