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US democracy is about to die

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StandFirm · 16/03/2025 13:03

... So many indicators for this, the most recent is Trump calling for the DoJ to go after his enemies:

Dear American friends, I hope you find a peaceful way out of this. As for us here, I can only hope we keep the contagion at bay.

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DuncinToffee · 19/03/2025 09:47

This is horrific

https://whyy.org/articles/segregation-federal-contracts-far-regulation-trump/

Segregated facilities’ are no longer explicitly banned in federal contracts

The Trump administration cut a clause from federal contracting rules that had been on the books since the 1960s.

After a recent change by the Trump administration, the federal government no longer explicitly prohibits contractors from having segregated restaurants, waiting rooms and drinking fountains.

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 09:46

Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 09:37

You'd think that Jesus Christ was a bit too lefty Liberal for their taste though? Almost a socialist. Odd to think if JC was around now the USA Christians would be first in line to stone him. Or shoot him, I suppose, Guns for God.

Do you know Dostoevski's The Brothers Karamasov and the story in it in which Jesus comes back and immediately gets arrested by the Grand Inquisitor? That's a great story for right now.

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StandFirm · 19/03/2025 09:42

Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 09:37

You'd think that Jesus Christ was a bit too lefty Liberal for their taste though? Almost a socialist. Odd to think if JC was around now the USA Christians would be first in line to stone him. Or shoot him, I suppose, Guns for God.

Puritanism was deemed heretical, wasn't it?
I'm not a theologian but being partly American-educated, I remember being weirdly fascinated by The Scarlet Letter (which I do recommend, although it's not an easy read). The essence of Puritanism (which transpires from the book) is how unforgiving it is. It seems to reject the very notion of forgiveness as that would somehow mean double-guessing or questioning God... The Puritan God is vengeful and unforgiving. Think that explains a lot...

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DuncinToffee · 19/03/2025 09:40

Remember the backlash Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde received for her sermon asking for compassion.

Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 09:37

You'd think that Jesus Christ was a bit too lefty Liberal for their taste though? Almost a socialist. Odd to think if JC was around now the USA Christians would be first in line to stone him. Or shoot him, I suppose, Guns for God.

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 09:35

LizzieW1969 · 19/03/2025 09:31

They’re basically trying to achieve what the original Pilgrim Fathers wanted when they moved over there during the reign of James I, that is to create a true Puritan theocracy.

Interestingly, I think this is a case of the Pilgrims' legacy (the dark, superstitious, theocratic underbelly of the country's foundation) versus the legacy of the Enlightenment which is embodied in the constitution and various institutions. Note their loathing of Washington DC. The references to evil forces aren't just the usual rhetoric, they serve a deep-rooted metaphysical belief that the State is evil. This is The Pilgrims' America v the USA. This will have far-reaching implications for the world.

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LizzieW1969 · 19/03/2025 09:31

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 07:49

Indeed, as I pointed out on a different thread, one of the biggest threats to US democracy right now is book censorship (which has been happening for a while now in the more conservative states).
There are many examples illustrating how organisations like Moms for Liberty are completely corroding education in some places to an absurd extent (teaching about seahorses is contentious in their eyes). A huge factor in that is the growth of radical Christianity - now laced with white nationalism. There is a sense that you have to believe in God, to the point where there's more distrust towards someone who declares themselves secular than for a satanist (who might bat for the wrong side but at least implies a degree of belief in God).

They’re basically trying to achieve what the original Pilgrim Fathers wanted when they moved over there during the reign of James I, that is to create a true Puritan theocracy.

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 09:29

All is not lost but some form of organised resistance better take shape very soon.

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Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 09:28

I am glad that I'm old and won't see the eventual results of the US horror show. My children and grand children will though.it really make me despair.

Meadowfinch · 19/03/2025 09:10

It's horrifying.

The so called leader of the free world is a convicted felon, an ignorant bully in a cheap suit, turning the USA into a pariah state.

2029 seems a very long way off. 😥

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 09:07

I have a depressing anecdote highlighting this further: one of my old friend lives in Georgia. She was telling me that the preacher at her local church complained about rightwing nuts in his congregation who came up to him one day saying that the ten commandments felt too leftie and can he not mention them in his sermons. I shit you not.

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Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 07:59

Yes. It's very scary. Personally, I consider it both neglectful and abusive to limit children's access to knowledge thus preventing their ability to make informed choices in life. It's the lack of curiosity and desire to question that I find worrying. It's deeply depressing. Philistines rather than Christians.

StandFirm · 19/03/2025 07:49

Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 07:39

A jaw-dropping - for Brits - glance into US education now available on c4, where Brit and US teens swap places for a few weeks. So far I have learned, many books banned including Harry Potter for the 'satanic' content. Christian 'worship' daily, weekly and via tv. Little knowledge of, or interest in, anything outside their state. No tuition about other reiligions. That said, they seem like delightful people with their children's - and their UK visitors -best interests at heart, even as they buy yet another gun or crossbow as a present. They hunt a lot in Arkansas. Very different to UK and, I understand, pretty representative of the mid-West.

Indeed, as I pointed out on a different thread, one of the biggest threats to US democracy right now is book censorship (which has been happening for a while now in the more conservative states).
There are many examples illustrating how organisations like Moms for Liberty are completely corroding education in some places to an absurd extent (teaching about seahorses is contentious in their eyes). A huge factor in that is the growth of radical Christianity - now laced with white nationalism. There is a sense that you have to believe in God, to the point where there's more distrust towards someone who declares themselves secular than for a satanist (who might bat for the wrong side but at least implies a degree of belief in God).

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Serpentstooth · 19/03/2025 07:39

A jaw-dropping - for Brits - glance into US education now available on c4, where Brit and US teens swap places for a few weeks. So far I have learned, many books banned including Harry Potter for the 'satanic' content. Christian 'worship' daily, weekly and via tv. Little knowledge of, or interest in, anything outside their state. No tuition about other reiligions. That said, they seem like delightful people with their children's - and their UK visitors -best interests at heart, even as they buy yet another gun or crossbow as a present. They hunt a lot in Arkansas. Very different to UK and, I understand, pretty representative of the mid-West.

ColdwarEra · 19/03/2025 01:27

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I could understand it if they were in a country with no proper education system🤷🏼
Or is it more that trump (the vile worm that he is) has a special talent for making some people slavishly devote themselves? Those that dont fall under his spell abhor him with a hatred which is equal in magnitude to the devotion of the other segment, thus the society is turned against itself. Divided & conquered🤷🏼

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Mrsbloggz · 19/03/2025 00:50

Why arent they rioting/ protesting or has the moment for that passed by now? Will they go like lambs to the slaughter?

DdraigGoch · 19/03/2025 00:05

Another day, another overreach. How long before they start raiding universities, like all fascists do?
https://newrepublic.com/post/192854/elon-musk-doge-police-independent-nonprofit-usip
Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency staffers used police and private security to forcefully take over the U.S. Institute of Peace on Monday.
The USIP, an independent nonprofit founded by Congress, had its president, Greg Moose, and its board fired last week by the Trump administration. The Associated Press reported that DOGE workers on Monday had law enforcement escort them into USIP, which is not located in a federal building, after previously being denied access.

Elon Musk’s DOGE Uses Police to Seize Independent Nonprofit

The U.S. Institute of Peace is not a federal agency or located in a federal building. That didn’t stop DOGE from taking over.

https://newrepublic.com/post/192854/elon-musk-doge-police-independent-nonprofit-usip

StandFirm · 18/03/2025 20:15

cakeorwine · 18/03/2025 19:31

I am surprised we haven't had the Enemies of the People bit yet.

Oh it'll come...
JD Vance notoriously called academics 'the enemy' a couple of years ago. Just wait.

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Maitri108 · 18/03/2025 19:41

cakeorwine · 18/03/2025 19:30

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vwpkwkxo

The chief justice of the US Supreme Court has released a rare statement in response to President Donald Trump's call to impeach a judge who ruled against his administration over migrant deportations.
"For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision," Chief Justice John Roberts said in a statement.
He added that the "normal appellate review process exists for that purpose".
Trump earlier referred to US District Judge James Boasberg as a "troublemaker and agitator" after he ordered the administration to halt deportations of accused gang members to El Salvador.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Justice Roberts, who leads the Supreme Court, rarely issues public statements on political matters.

The US Supreme Court is expected to ultimately take up some legal challenges to Trump's early actions, as the lawsuits make their way through the federal courts.

It will be very interesting to see how Trump responds to the lawsuits.

cakeorwine · 18/03/2025 19:31

I am surprised we haven't had the Enemies of the People bit yet.

cakeorwine · 18/03/2025 19:30

DuncinToffee · 18/03/2025 14:29

Mango Mussolini wants the judge to be impeached

His rantings are attached in post below
https://bsky.app/profile/lawrencehurley.bsky.social/post/3lknqom7en22b

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vwpkwkxo

The chief justice of the US Supreme Court has released a rare statement in response to President Donald Trump's call to impeach a judge who ruled against his administration over migrant deportations.
"For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision," Chief Justice John Roberts said in a statement.
He added that the "normal appellate review process exists for that purpose".
Trump earlier referred to US District Judge James Boasberg as a "troublemaker and agitator" after he ordered the administration to halt deportations of accused gang members to El Salvador.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Justice Roberts, who leads the Supreme Court, rarely issues public statements on political matters.

Donald Trump shakes hands with US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts at the president's inauguration in January.

Top US Supreme Court justice rebukes Trump's call to impeach judge

Chief Justice John Roberts issued a rare statement after Trump called for a judge that halted his deportations to be impeached.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j0vwpkwkxo

StandFirm · 18/03/2025 18:57

Serpentstooth · 18/03/2025 18:34

From Salem to McCarthy, USA seems to suffer from a need to collectively obsess about something Nasty in the Woodshed on a regular basis. I saw recently that Salem stopped burning witchy women when some bright spark observed that maybe the Devil was making the population behave in this way so they should 9pack it in. I don't know what happened with the end of the McCarthy persecutions but they ebbed away I guess, leaving a legacy of paranoia about Reds under the Beds and a horror of Communism embodied in all things Russian. What now? Now they're being persuaded that the Russians Are our Friends and it's the turn of W Europe, longtime NATO allies, to become the current scapegoat for the incompetence of the USA government. I believe some Americans are finding it hard to credit that those outside the benighted country are feeling a bit pissed off with them. One can only sigh; it's beyond rational explanation.

There's definitely always been a fear of the bad guy waiting to get you. I think that's very much part of the American culture. The whole far right discourse about liberals being Devil worshippers is also redolent of the 80s Satanic Panic... I think whoever has been pulling the strings here has been very good at identifying Americans' dark fantasies.

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Serpentstooth · 18/03/2025 18:34

From Salem to McCarthy, USA seems to suffer from a need to collectively obsess about something Nasty in the Woodshed on a regular basis. I saw recently that Salem stopped burning witchy women when some bright spark observed that maybe the Devil was making the population behave in this way so they should 9pack it in. I don't know what happened with the end of the McCarthy persecutions but they ebbed away I guess, leaving a legacy of paranoia about Reds under the Beds and a horror of Communism embodied in all things Russian. What now? Now they're being persuaded that the Russians Are our Friends and it's the turn of W Europe, longtime NATO allies, to become the current scapegoat for the incompetence of the USA government. I believe some Americans are finding it hard to credit that those outside the benighted country are feeling a bit pissed off with them. One can only sigh; it's beyond rational explanation.