Changes to PIP

They won’t be.

Targeting Personal Independence Payments for those with higher needs by changing the eligibility requirement to a minimum score of four on at least one of the daily living activities to receive the daily living element of the benefit, in addition to the existing eligibility criteria

The criteria isn’t changing.

What's a reliable source in this context? It's not mentioned in the green paper

A reliable source told me. There’s no guarantee of anything yet but I think it’s best to try and stay positive. Write to MPs etc.

Ah I see. Thanks.

Where have you read that points will be “easier to get?”

hi im getting confused with all the changes so please can somebody help with my question

so if you are on UC and get the health top up £416.19 and pip but in the future your pip review does not give you the 4 point starting score thus meaning you now dont qualify for pip does that mean you lose all your Limited capability for work and work-related activity and trans relief from esa when the dwp migrated me

if that were the case then just on UC would be a loss of £650 a month and losing pip £737 =£1153 a month so would be living on £400 a month UC at the basic rate,is that really correct

i realise it wont happen overnight but just trying to see what could happen

many thanks

Yes, LCWRA is being scrapped and replaced with a 'health element' that can only be accessed if you claim PIP...

Is that LCWRA?

The terminology is a bit weird isn’t it? Why is Limited Capacity to Work, now described as a “health element” or a “sickness element”?

Then it makes no sense that someone will have to be on PIP to claim the new sickness element of UC.

Under the current assessment criteria, assessors use the fact that someone can work to award them zero points. That is set to change.

Presumably because people need a supportive employer and / or the kind of professional skills that allow wfh self-employed. I have both. Not everyone has.

I understand the need to reduce mental health claimants. I don't understand why they are punishing working adults with serious physical conditions. I didn't ask to get multiple sclerosis. I would swap it tomorrow if anyone wants it and my PIP. Disability has cost me a fortune not least because I can no longer work full time.

I read that only a small percentage of people on PIP work. 16% which isn't very high.

I don’t know but as I said, the actual assessment process will change so that although you require more points, those points will be easier to get.

So it’s nothing to do with the fact it’s projected to rise to 100 billion by 2030 then?

Some aspects of it are not open to consultation though. There is a chart on the green paper that outlines this.

Nothing whatsoever is set in stone yet. It’s at the green paper stage. Which is the consultation stage.

First, they have to get it through parliament and changes to the law as it currently is will have to be made. There are a whole lot of ifs.

It’s also not quite what it seems. The assessment criteria is going to change to be easier to get the points in the first place. So, even though you will need 4 points in an area and you currently only get 3, under the new assessment rules, you would get 4 anyway.

So, try not to panic. Nothing is going to come into affect until at least November 2026.

And I think the government are aware of the increase in the sort of nasty people who vote Reform and have to look like they are doing something to keep those potential voters on side.

Rent is paid, fit or not fit, young or old, purely on income/savings.

Being on DLA/PIP guarantees nothing. 🤷‍♀️

Oh I see. Is the PIP assessment more rigorous than the WCA? What sort of effect do you expect to see from this?

Only people receiving PIP will be guaranteed the health element/ LCWRA of UC. The health element / LCWRA will be reducing by around £50 a week for new claimants I think next year.

What impact will this have on LCWRA please? Is it just that the assessment is moving from WCA to the PIP assessment? Is the latter harder to pass?

To what extent have the right wing press pages the groundwork for this? We have had years of young snowflake and benefit culture pieces in the press and I wonder if over time this has stigmatized the disabled as freeloaders so the public as a whole feel these cruel budget cuts are palatable (or even just). Those I know who argue for the PIP reductions being up some stereotype of a gamer boy in his 20s living in the basement of their parents house and using PIP for fast food and weed.....completely unfair but I can see how the press have shaped this narrarive.

At least here we are getting the real stories of the disabled and not a traumatizing version from the press or an overly optimistic one flaunted in some of the media. .

I wonder how this will affect people going through cancer treatment. Currently they are automatically awarded LCWRA but may not qualify for PIP especially if treatment is say for a six month period. yet there are huge additional costs- hospital transport etc.

They charge 120 that's all. And that's only if you want them to do an mr , they took nothing from my daughter. They won, she got all backpay owed. Its 4.99 per month or 11.99 to use solicitors plus the fee. They pretty much do everything and tell you if they need anything. You can cancel your membership whenever you like and sign back up when you need. They are worth paying 11.99 if your doing you first claim because they help you fill the forms out. But I needed them because I struggle with paperwork and legal documents so it was a huge weight and stress off. It's best for people to research their own way. But for my own experience they were amazing and they didn't even get my daughters medical records because the Dr's had lost them. They came through 6 months later. So I'm armed with that now.

If long term UC is not enough then will l everyone eventually be on PIP. The system is ,totally mad. I won't be voting Labour again.