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Changes to PIP

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Orangesandlemons77 · 16/03/2025 12:45

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

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PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 13:23

Rosesinajug · 16/03/2025 13:18

I just hope that when people with difficulties are forced back to work that employers and any service users etc have huge amounts of patience with anyone who is struggling. Because that’s what currently lacking and something that cuts will never deal with 😞

We all know how well that will go...

PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 13:22

Orangesandlemons77 · 16/03/2025 13:18

Tuesday I think

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Important to note that what will be announced are proposed changes. There will be a consultation period before the changes are finalised. Then they will have to be put to Parliament if the changes need primary legislation..

So there is a long way to go before changes are implemented. I am just saying all this because there are some extremely worried people out there who imagine their PIP is going to be snatched away overnight.

Rosesinajug · 16/03/2025 13:18

I just hope that when people with difficulties are forced back to work that employers and any service users etc have huge amounts of patience with anyone who is struggling. Because that’s what currently lacking and something that cuts will never deal with 😞

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Orangesandlemons77 · 16/03/2025 13:18

Charliechoosecarefully · 16/03/2025 13:12

When are they announcing the changes?

Tuesday I think

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TreatYoSelf2025 · 16/03/2025 13:17

PIP is an in work benefit as PP have said. It is significantly harder to get than other benefits and even those with profound disabilities do not qualify for full rate everything & spend sometimes years appealing to tribunal stage where the majority of claims win.

I work and claim PIP. PIP helps me stay in work but I don’t get full rate mobility even though I technically qualify. I am absolutely aghast that they’re reforming PIP when the likelihood of fraudulent claims are so low and is paid even when you’re IN WORK which is surely the basis for the reform in the first place - to get people back to work.

PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 13:16

AirborneElephant · 16/03/2025 13:13

Yes, I know. But I thought another part of the proposal was to replace the lcwra element of UC and replace with pip. Or am I completely wrong / completely out of date? There are so many rumours going round it’s hard to keep up!

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You are wrong!

PIP and the lcwra are totally different things. What has possibly been mooted is that for UC/ESA lcwra will only be awarded to those on PIP. But that is a rumour.

We won't know anything for sure until the green paper. Which is supposed to be published next week, but keeps being delayed because the whole thing is a shit show.

Phase2 · 16/03/2025 13:15

I’m so pissed off with Labour ffs, starting strong as wolves in sheep’s clothing by targeting pensioners and the disabled. Absolutely gross.

Nonametonight · 16/03/2025 13:14

I don't understand why this is being described as targeting people with mild mental health issues.

Someone who cannot, without encouragement and prompting, engage with other people. Who needs help managing their household finances. Who needs to be encouraged to prepare a simple meal. And who can't wash or dress themselves without encouragement. That person is hardly just having a bit of the weepies. They're seriously unwell and need support and kindness to give them the breathing space to recover

AirborneElephant · 16/03/2025 13:13

PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 13:04

PIP is an in work benefit. I wish people would understand that. Lots of people on PIP work.

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Yes, I know. But I thought another part of the proposal was to replace the lcwra element of UC and replace with pip. Or am I completely wrong / completely out of date? There are so many rumours going round it’s hard to keep up!

Charliechoosecarefully · 16/03/2025 13:12

When are they announcing the changes?

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Orangesandlemons77 · 16/03/2025 13:09

Yes it means 4 or more in each descriptor, the prompting ones give 2

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Overthebow · 16/03/2025 13:06

shellyleppard · 16/03/2025 13:04

Don't you need a minimum of 8 points to qualify for pip in the first place??

Yes b it this can be made of 2 points in each category. This would be for example 8 points but with at least 4 coming from one.

Overthebow · 16/03/2025 13:05

AirborneElephant · 16/03/2025 13:00

I wonder how much difference that will make? If the aim is to reduce claims from people who could work but would rather not then there still seem to be a lot of categories where it would be easy to get 4 points through exaggeration and self reporting.

It’s targeting mental health and nuerodiversity. It’s hard to get more than 2 points in each category unless at the more severe end.

PandoraSox · 16/03/2025 13:04

AirborneElephant · 16/03/2025 13:00

I wonder how much difference that will make? If the aim is to reduce claims from people who could work but would rather not then there still seem to be a lot of categories where it would be easy to get 4 points through exaggeration and self reporting.

PIP is an in work benefit. I wish people would understand that. Lots of people on PIP work.

shellyleppard · 16/03/2025 13:04

Don't you need a minimum of 8 points to qualify for pip in the first place??

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Orangesandlemons77 · 16/03/2025 13:02

I think it would be much harder to get 4 points than two, in particular there is often 2 points for 'prompting' which would be easier to get for milder mental health problems, which they seem to be targeting.

It is also possible to get a total of 8 or 12 just with these in combination to qualify for both rates.

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AirborneElephant · 16/03/2025 13:00

I wonder how much difference that will make? If the aim is to reduce claims from people who could work but would rather not then there still seem to be a lot of categories where it would be easy to get 4 points through exaggeration and self reporting.

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Overthebow · 16/03/2025 12:50

I can’t see the article. But yes if that’s what it is going to be then yes it will exclude a lot of people. I can see the point of it, it needs changing.

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