Changes to PIP

If you don't think it's difficult to get then you clearly know very little about it.

It's 3.6 million so it's best not to overestimate for effect.

Also given Government figures say that approximately 16 million have a disability then the claims would appear to be relatively low.

Yeah, so difficult to get that 4 million people are on it.

It's not an out of work benefit.

They may be using the access to work scheme, paying a lot for private therapies and treatments they can’t access as the nhs lists are too long, for all you know they could be working then getting home exhausted and in pain.

I didn't say that though did I.

But given that PIP is a notoriously difficult benefit to get then yes those in receipt of it are clearly more vulnerable than people who are unencumbered by such disabilities/health issues.

Many are claiming it whilst holding down high flying jobs.

You seriously can’t believe that everyone claiming PIP is vulnerable. All 4 million of them. Thats naive.

I think it might be clearer if your were to say that PIP is a benefit that takes no account of your employment status, you can be in and out of employment and receive PIP.

You seriously can't imagine why the risk of most vulnerable people in society being forced into absolute poverty would cause a commotion?

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It largely goes towards therapy, which costs me £180 per week, which the NHS cannot/will not provide. It doesn’t fully cover it but it helps. 12 hours of therapy does not touch the sides of years of CSA, suicide attempts and chronic self harm. I have a lifelong mental disorder which needs long term therapeutic input - as outlined in the NICE guidelines for my disorder, but is simply not available on the NHS due to cost and staffing resources. So I have to pay privately. If I could get the treatment on the NHS I would give up PIP tomorrow. I expect to finish therapy within the next 12 months, at which point I will stop claiming PIP, as that’s largely what I depend on it for.

It also covers smaller stuff such as having groceries delivered (because supermarkets rarely go well for me for a number of different reasons), replacing or increased washing of clothing when I have toilet accidents due to trauma, keeping my car on the road because I am not safe using public transport (risks around trains etc) and am safer being able to travel door to door with limited time walking outside. Also it pays for my prescriptions (they are not free just because I have PIP).

It wouldn't just be mental health problems, this would severely affect any claimants with autism or ADHD etc.

You can on UC LCWRA, in fact it is less restrictive.

You did used to be able to do permitted work on ESA and previously incapacity benefit. You could earn a certain amount without your benefits being affected

It was on news this morning that people would be allowed to try a job without losing their benefits. Don't know how that would work?

I don’t know how it would work but it’s a good idea, at the moment people trying to get back into work are disadvantaged because if they try to work they loose their benefit entitle and have to go through the whole lengthy process again if the job doesn’t work out, which is real possibility if you have a disability. Often a job that looks manageable on paper turns out not to be so manageable because of work practices that in reality create barriers. If someone could try a job knowing they had some financial stability it might give them a chance to see if there was room for negotiation rather than writing off an opportunity that just wasn’t worth the risk.

I’m resigned my lower rate PIP going and haven’t bothered to claim for DS who is severely depressed, unable to function in anything near a normal way and we have spent a many thousands on trying to help him but sadly the psychiatrist we have been paying now feels he can’t help him as just doesn’t respond to meds.

I’m too unwell to work with a chronic autoimmune illness so DH is keeping us a float but he has T1 diabetes and after having it for over 45 years it is taking a toll on his health and I can’t see him managing to work until retirement in 12 years.

I imagine we are fucked in a couple of years but such is life I guess.

There is truth in this. Many people either were denied PIP, or given a lower award, then they should have been, because they had no idea how to fill in the form, which was designed exactly for that purpose. The Conservatives knew exactly what they were doing when they changed people over to PIP. I believe they were also responsible for widening the criteria to include MH conditions too.

Yabu. No one is forcing you to apply for it.

Half the problem is that they don’t take honest straightforward answers and need key words or phrases included. It should be that way, it shouldn’t be difficult to answer you should just be able to answer for yourself not be over thinking have you answered in the way that gets your needs awarded. I think that suited them though to be able to deny claims when people weren’t aware of this.

Changing the qualifying criteria for PIP a benefit for which the fraud rate is what 0 or near enough 0 seems cruel. They’ll keep on chipping away though in a few years you’ll probably only be able to get an award if you score 6.74 on a windy Tuesday in March if you’re wearing a red jumper your illness or disability starts with the letter J and your postman is called Dave

My 17yo is similar - ASD and anorexia, very likely ADHD too, as well as several physical issues that have worsened as she's got older. Burnt out from school, is home around 90% of the week. Very intelligent but exhausts quickly and scored 19 in the care part. Her application was over an inch thick of supporting reports.

She's so worried by everything she's hearing. She's on wait lists for everything, some running to years rather than months. The PIP is going to pay for private treatment and a specialist support coach to hopefully enable her to attend college in the autumn.

Labour are Wolves dressing in sheeps clothing.

The thing is even some Labour MP's abstain for voting for the cuts, we know the Tory's will back them. KB has already stated this. However agree it might take some time to get law passed. It has to get through Lords too.

Im so sorry to hear this. Its the NHS spending a grand to save a fiver