All crime docs are about men killing women!

And in terms of victim blaming it was the OP herself who said that women should have higher standards and by marrying and reproducing with certain men these women are part of the problem. Now I'm not one for using labels but I do believe that's called victim blaming!

You didnt read my post properly- i said you CAN censor what they say out loud.

Watching porn, it being unfair men earn more than women, men being lazy around the house. These were all mentioned as reasons why men are horrid.

If you'd have said many killers and rapists are average men, then I would have agreed with you.

But to say 'average men are killers and rapists' is vile and a simple statement a man-hating.

You've let the mask slip there are given an insight into your prejudice.

I said if we are going to include every tiny aspect of things a man could do wrong then at that point you cant deny that many women display just as bad behaviour

Example?

I have never suggested women are as violent as men. I have clearly stated that the fact is men commit more violent and sexual crime.

I said if we are going to include every tiny aspect of things a man could do wrong then at that point you cant deny that many women display just as bad behaviour

When did I victim blame?

Toxic feminism was about looking into the future and putting another angle on where too much unfair negativity could lead.

So if that means I'm a misogynist- then no wonder you think 50% of the population are misogynist!

I meant average as in the higher percentage.

I'm afraid you can silence what a man is allowed to say but you can never stop the thoughts in his head. So I'm afraid if a man wants to view a woman sexually he will, if he wants to imagine her naked he will. Men will look at boobs and bums and legs. To say a man doesnt have the right to look at you sexually doesnt make any sense.

I'm a female, who sees violence against women in my line of work regularly, and also ask and support the question asked. so, what practical suggestions do you have?

What would you do to start changing men's attitudes towards women?

I challenge casual sexism every day, even from women. I have always worked in male-dominated environments and in a position to challenge stereotypes in those environments so attitudes will hopefully begin to change.

I even challenge what appears to be my default position as a wife and mum at home, it's hard, they do get it but it's so deeply ingrained in so so many people's subconsciousness, it's not until it's challenged that even many seemingly decent people don't realise they can fall foul of it.

I hope one day enough attitudes will change so women won't be at as much risk of harm from men and I try to be part of that change.

Hands up who has had this happen when they were in school uniform?

<counts all women on this thread>

By my dad's friends mainly.

you slipped up there assuming that I must have been slagging women off if I'm a woman who is prepared to call out sexism against men.

In what way have I slipped up? This doesn't even make sense.

You have been at pains to suggest that women are just as violent as men and in some posts you've suggested women are worse.
You fail to ignore the issues around systemic oppression, you victim blame and your comments on 'toxic feminism' are straight out of the incel playbook.
All under the guise of sticking up for the average man - who doesn't need sticking up for in the first place!

But average men are killers and rapists.

@SwoopDog Women are gorgeous! But its one thing to appreciate someone, than seeing them as walking sex object you could do things with. Sexualising someone when they're just walking around minding their business is gross!

Hands up who has had this happen when they were in school uniform?

<counts all women on this thread>

🤣 you slipped up there assuming that I must have been slagging women off if I'm a woman who is prepared to call out sexism against men.

And what have I said about women?

Go back and read your own posts.

And what have I said about women?

And I dont think being a strong independent woman who can see the differences in different types of men makes me a misogynist.

No but the comments you've made about women do. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Acknowledging facts is one thing...

And I dont think being a strong independent woman who can see the differences in different types of men makes me a misogynist.

Of course I was forgetting you wouldnt see being sexist against men as a bad thing.

Except I'm not sexist against men.
Acknowledging the fact we have a problem with male violence and toxic masculinity doesn't make me sexist.

Of course I was forgetting you wouldnt see being sexist against men as a bad thing.

Coming from a sexist.

Nice try 👍🏻

Coming from a sexist.

Too late!