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All crime docs are about men killing women!

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SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 11:22

I was trying to find somehing to watch on Netflix last night. Looked at crime documentaries. They're all about men killing women. Or men killing children.

I like a bit of true crime sometimes, but it's actually too much. What the hell have we been putting up with over decades and centuries! There was a guest on Steven Bartletts Diary of a CEO who said the most dangerous person to a woman is her husband! I believe it. We've taken this shit for too long.

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WorriedRelative · 16/03/2025 21:11

Try Lucy Worsley's Lady Killers podcast.

True crime, and female perpetrators, viewed through a feminist lense. Sadly some victims are children, even babies, but lots are husbands and oppressors!

Fabulous though often very very sad.

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 21:09

@Anchorage56 I hope they would agree that they don't want to be a part of the type of male culture we talk about here.

I have these conversations with them all the time. They have many male role models around them. Some better than others. And one very strong mum.

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Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 21:09

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 21:01

Why isolate only one idea and your perception of that idea at that? I think many women in the world are already quite scared of men and I doubt OP is going to change that.

In general however, I think knowledge is power. Who knows what women are lurking on the thread, doing their own research into things and waking up? Time will tell.

Have you actually read all the OPs posts?

bifurCAT · 16/03/2025 21:07

And all romances are about women cheating...

Bit of a generalisation there...

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 21:05

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 21:03

@Anchorage56 I teach my sons the difference of a good man and an awful mam on a daily basis.
They listen to rap music and it is vile. The lyrics are all about pussy, how did she squeeze into those jeans with that booty, shes a gold digger, she has 3 babydaddies etc etc.. Objectifying and disrespectful. So, yeah. I teach them the difference. How to be a good man. And what not to be/say/view others.

Would you like them to read your comments on here? What effect do you think that would have on them? Would they grow angry and resentful towards their own mother and where would that lead?

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 21:03

@Anchorage56 I teach my sons the difference of a good man and an awful mam on a daily basis.
They listen to rap music and it is vile. The lyrics are all about pussy, how did she squeeze into those jeans with that booty, shes a gold digger, she has 3 babydaddies etc etc.. Objectifying and disrespectful. So, yeah. I teach them the difference. How to be a good man. And what not to be/say/view others.

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Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 21:03

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:56

@Anchorage56 The opposite actually. Not believing that it can be the majority of men is actually not helping anyone. The systems will not change if we don't point a bright light to it and call it out as it is.

I don't mean majority of men are murderers obviously. Majority are a varying level of decent/dodgy. I've seen very respectable family men get up to things they shouldn't. I mean, do you ever even read mumsnet?

Things that i do to change the dynamic:
-I don't laugh at sexist jokes
-I dont nod along or laugh at mens stories just because they expect it. Only if genuinely funny/entertaining
-I don't assume a gender based on profession
-I don't use my femaleness to get things for free/ discount / help
-I don't expect a man to come and sort my life /car /finances out for me.
-I don't flirt to get my way

And what systems do you want to change? I do all those things you mention as standard without even thinking about it- except getting my car fixed, I cant do that myself so I take it to a garage and I've never come across a female mechanic where I live so its men I rely on for that.

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 21:01

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:50

So the idea that most men are horrid and we need to be scared of them is helping who exactly?

Why isolate only one idea and your perception of that idea at that? I think many women in the world are already quite scared of men and I doubt OP is going to change that.

In general however, I think knowledge is power. Who knows what women are lurking on the thread, doing their own research into things and waking up? Time will tell.

TheCurious0range · 16/03/2025 20:59

I work in the justice system, have for a long time, the level of violence against women and girls is astounding

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:56

@Anchorage56 The opposite actually. Not believing that it can be the majority of men is actually not helping anyone. The systems will not change if we don't point a bright light to it and call it out as it is.

I don't mean majority of men are murderers obviously. Majority are a varying level of decent/dodgy. I've seen very respectable family men get up to things they shouldn't. I mean, do you ever even read mumsnet?

Things that i do to change the dynamic:
-I don't laugh at sexist jokes
-I dont nod along or laugh at mens stories just because they expect it. Only if genuinely funny/entertaining
-I don't assume a gender based on profession
-I don't use my femaleness to get things for free/ discount / help
-I don't expect a man to come and sort my life /car /finances out for me.
-I don't flirt to get my way

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Brefugee · 16/03/2025 20:53

Meadowfinch · 16/03/2025 11:36

Two of the Strike books/episodes have female murderers. Out of seven.

That's a greater percentage than in real life.

Very leveling of JKRowling. 🤗

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it actually bugs me how often women are murderers in fiction, and how many male victims of rape we see.

For sure it happens, but it is tedious when it is just used as an "AHA!" by the directors

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:50

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 20:45

I am very glad there were people who decided to so something when my people were salves in the west indies. There will always, so long as we remain human, be some people who can not sleep on injustice. Not all will be able to achieve much in their own lifetimes but you never know who they might inspire or what changes they might be the progenitor off.

So the idea that most men are horrid and we need to be scared of them is helping who exactly?

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:45

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:41

@Anchorage56 Why does it bother you that some posters seem angry and bitter? Are those not emotions not allowed for a woman? Or just not allowed in relation to the subject of violence and murder?

And just to clarify. You seemed to draw the perfect conclusion here yourself: Angry and bitter men murder. Angry and bitter women moan on a public forum. See?

It just feels like stating the obvious to be angry that some men commit murder etc. Feels like your using that as an excuse to bash the whole of the male population. I hope your sons dont know how you view men.

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 20:45

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:39

I am aware that some people commit murder, rape etc but you cant walk around concentrating on that all the time. Life is tough. Bad things happen. People including women can be arseholes. You just have to make the best of it, make your life as good as it can be. You will never live in a world where bad things dont happen.

I am very glad there were people who decided to so something when my people were salves in the west indies. There will always, so long as we remain human, be some people who can not sleep on injustice. Not all will be able to achieve much in their own lifetimes but you never know who they might inspire or what changes they might be the progenitor off.

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:41

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 20:34

If you see injustice it is perfectly fine to be bitter, angry, unhappy etc etc about it. Depends how you channel it. But I do not see these emotions as flaws in women. For too long we have let men and it is mostly men shame us about perfectly naturally feelings of being subjected and subjected to sexism.

In general men channel their own bitterness in far more destructive forms. I am perfectly fine with them being bitter about their/other men's bad behaviours too though. They can join the club! Better yet they can speak to other men about it and actually be listened too.

Yes depends how you channel it. And believing that its the majority of men who do these things is not helping anyone. I'm not referring to you on that but OP.

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:41

@Anchorage56 Why does it bother you that some posters seem angry and bitter? Are those not emotions not allowed for a woman? Or just not allowed in relation to the subject of violence and murder?

And just to clarify. You seemed to draw the perfect conclusion here yourself: Angry and bitter men murder. Angry and bitter women moan on a public forum. See?

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Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:39

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:34

I'm the only female in my house. I love the men in my life. However, im under no illusion that that they are capable of shit. Not respecting their wives, expecting them to put up with various behaviours etc.. I still have hope for my dc and im trying to raise them right, but the attitudes especially the older generation just stink.
Its 'not all men' but its too many of them.

And when we see women being constantly murdered in their homes, walking outside minding their business, walking their dogs etc.. We should get bitter! These men are husbands, brothers, fathers and sons! We cant collectively turn a blind eye and say 'Well MY husband is lovely, so i don't know what you're on about'

I am aware that some people commit murder, rape etc but you cant walk around concentrating on that all the time. Life is tough. Bad things happen. People including women can be arseholes. You just have to make the best of it, make your life as good as it can be. You will never live in a world where bad things dont happen.

SwoopDog · 16/03/2025 20:34

I'm the only female in my house. I love the men in my life. However, im under no illusion that that they are capable of shit. Not respecting their wives, expecting them to put up with various behaviours etc.. I still have hope for my dc and im trying to raise them right, but the attitudes especially the older generation just stink.
Its 'not all men' but its too many of them.

And when we see women being constantly murdered in their homes, walking outside minding their business, walking their dogs etc.. We should get bitter! These men are husbands, brothers, fathers and sons! We cant collectively turn a blind eye and say 'Well MY husband is lovely, so i don't know what you're on about'

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OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 20:34

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:24

Well you can do all that without being angry and bitter. Remember its angry bitter men that we complain about.

If you see injustice it is perfectly fine to be bitter, angry, unhappy etc etc about it. Depends how you channel it. But I do not see these emotions as flaws in women. For too long we have let men and it is mostly men shame us about perfectly naturally feelings of being subjected and subjected to sexism.

In general men channel their own bitterness in far more destructive forms. I am perfectly fine with them being bitter about their/other men's bad behaviours too though. They can join the club! Better yet they can speak to other men about it and actually be listened too.

Anchorage56 · 16/03/2025 20:24

OutsideLookingOut · 16/03/2025 19:32

Actually I think women need to be more bitter and even angry about this. I say let the division grow. Women need to choose themselves more and with higher self-esteem and respect choose men who see them as equals and treat them with respect. Let subpart men die lonely.

Well you can do all that without being angry and bitter. Remember its angry bitter men that we complain about.

steff13 · 16/03/2025 20:23

Do y'all have Snapped? It's a whole series about women killing people. There are almost 750 episodes.

Leafy74 · 16/03/2025 20:18

JeanPaulGagtier · 16/03/2025 20:10

Yep, because it doesn't affect them, until it happens to someone they know. Women are watching to discover what makes them more likely to be a target and what kind of man does it, or clues. Sadly all men seem capable of it, given the right circumstances and they rarely seem to think of the consequences.

I do not believe that women are watching these programs to get tips on how to stay alive. That's a complete and total fantasy. And saying that all men are Capable of murder Is utterly meaningless. It's just as true to say all women are capable of murdering their children.

JeanPaulGagtier · 16/03/2025 20:10

PointsSouth · 16/03/2025 18:11

Yep, in our house it's only the women who watch them. The man rolls his eyes and goes to bed with a book.

Yep, because it doesn't affect them, until it happens to someone they know. Women are watching to discover what makes them more likely to be a target and what kind of man does it, or clues. Sadly all men seem capable of it, given the right circumstances and they rarely seem to think of the consequences.

JeanPaulGagtier · 16/03/2025 20:08

As others have said, it is True Crime, not fiction. Fiction usually has a jaded woman who kills kids and her husband etc etc when it is far far more likely that would be a man in real life. With femicide at a global high I think we would do well to pay attention.

CranfordScones · 16/03/2025 19:59

There's obviously a bias on the part of documentary makers towards certain types of crime. In any event:

  • The chance of being killed by your partner is extremely low.
  • The chance of a female murder victim having been killed by her partner is quite high.
People confuse the two.