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Soapladies · 15/03/2025 17:50

We’re a group of four friends who met over twenty years ago through a shared activity. We’ve all moved away since then but try and get together every year or so. We go to various cites and get an Airbnb for a couple of nights. This year an event related to our shared interest took place in Friend 1’s city and she very kindly invited us to stay with her. She’s got a really lovely house, walking distance to the city centre, all bedrooms en suite so we jumped at the chance.

Friends 2 has a small business making a high end but not terribly expensive product - think handmade soaps sort of thing. While we were whatsapping arranging the weekend she said ‘who wants me to bring some of my new range, just launched scents x y a etc, think you’ll love them’. We thought she was offering a present. We’ve all bought from her before, happily because her products are gorgeous, so said yes, lovely. We chose various soap, one each - no one wants to be greedy! - she said ‘you sure just the one’. Friend 1 said ‘well I’d love one of the x ones too’ Friend 2 says ‘fab, I’ll bring them’. Conversation moves on and we’ve all very excited and chatty about our meet up.

Fast forward to meet up. I drove and collected friend 3 on the way, we stopped and got wine and crisps, I’d bought friend 1 something interest-related as a thank you, friend 3 also bought a present. We get to Friend 1’s house, all excited and catching up, then friend 2 arrives slightly after us, we’re all chatting away and she grabs a bag and says ‘here are the soaps’. Hands us each a little bag - packaging is really pretty - and inside is a bar of soap and an invoice for £7.50. Friend 1 - the hostess has an invoice for £15.00. Friend 2 has not bought anything. Not wine for sharing or a present for the hostess.

Now to be fair, at no point did Friend 2 say the soaps were a gift. We all misunderstood, assuming she was offering. Maybe we should have asked but how do you ask ‘is this a present or are we paying’! It all feels like a bit of a hard sell now. And I can’t understand her charging Friend 1 at all after getting free accommodation in a house way nicer than anywhere we’ve stayed before. Friend 2 isn’t tight but she is a bit gauche and thoughtless at times, if you didn’t know her well you could think she was being rude. Or I suppose she is being rude but doesn’t realise it and would be mortified to think she was.

sorry this is long, don’t want to get into trouble for drip feeding

So, AIBU?
Yes - you’re entitled and of course you should have expected to pay
No - Friend 2 should have made it clear she was selling the soaps

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Bubblesgun · 17/03/2025 11:08

Pineapplewaves · 15/03/2025 18:01

You assumed the soap was a gift. Friend didn’t say “do you want to buy one of my new soaps?”but neither did you say “how much”, so it’s just a case of bad communication, nobody is right or wrong.

Friend 2 is rude not to give a gift to her hosts (however I usually give a gift on leaving, so the host gets to enjoy it themselves and not just put it into the pot for the other guests to dig into).

Edited

I always bring 2 bottles of wine for exemple and always say “this one is present for you. Keep it. And this one is for us to share”

Bubblesgun · 17/03/2025 11:05

Soapladies · 15/03/2025 17:50

We’re a group of four friends who met over twenty years ago through a shared activity. We’ve all moved away since then but try and get together every year or so. We go to various cites and get an Airbnb for a couple of nights. This year an event related to our shared interest took place in Friend 1’s city and she very kindly invited us to stay with her. She’s got a really lovely house, walking distance to the city centre, all bedrooms en suite so we jumped at the chance.

Friends 2 has a small business making a high end but not terribly expensive product - think handmade soaps sort of thing. While we were whatsapping arranging the weekend she said ‘who wants me to bring some of my new range, just launched scents x y a etc, think you’ll love them’. We thought she was offering a present. We’ve all bought from her before, happily because her products are gorgeous, so said yes, lovely. We chose various soap, one each - no one wants to be greedy! - she said ‘you sure just the one’. Friend 1 said ‘well I’d love one of the x ones too’ Friend 2 says ‘fab, I’ll bring them’. Conversation moves on and we’ve all very excited and chatty about our meet up.

Fast forward to meet up. I drove and collected friend 3 on the way, we stopped and got wine and crisps, I’d bought friend 1 something interest-related as a thank you, friend 3 also bought a present. We get to Friend 1’s house, all excited and catching up, then friend 2 arrives slightly after us, we’re all chatting away and she grabs a bag and says ‘here are the soaps’. Hands us each a little bag - packaging is really pretty - and inside is a bar of soap and an invoice for £7.50. Friend 1 - the hostess has an invoice for £15.00. Friend 2 has not bought anything. Not wine for sharing or a present for the hostess.

Now to be fair, at no point did Friend 2 say the soaps were a gift. We all misunderstood, assuming she was offering. Maybe we should have asked but how do you ask ‘is this a present or are we paying’! It all feels like a bit of a hard sell now. And I can’t understand her charging Friend 1 at all after getting free accommodation in a house way nicer than anywhere we’ve stayed before. Friend 2 isn’t tight but she is a bit gauche and thoughtless at times, if you didn’t know her well you could think she was being rude. Or I suppose she is being rude but doesn’t realise it and would be mortified to think she was.

sorry this is long, don’t want to get into trouble for drip feeding

So, AIBU?
Yes - you’re entitled and of course you should have expected to pay
No - Friend 2 should have made it clear she was selling the soaps

What we do in these type of situations in my friend whatsapp group.

  • soap situation: one of us will always say “let us know how much we owe you” which give the person the opportunity to either say “no it s on me, my gift for the week end” or “thanks it £7.50 per soap”
  • then one should say “how about we all club together to get friend 1 a lovely pamper hamper to thank her for hosting us”
  • in the wine / thank you gift situation when you all saw the invoice why didnt you say, “give me your invoice friend 1. Why dont we all share it as a thank you to friend 1”.

given the amount you saved on accomodation i think it wouldnt be much to add £5 each even of you have bought some wine to share.

honestly so many situations would be no big deal if people communicated and talk to each other

feistyoneyouare · 17/03/2025 10:31

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 09:05

So on this discussion site we can’t ask questions? Op doesn’t have to answer but I can ask questions surely?!😂

@Ketchupbroc do you have any intention of being remotely constructive on any of the threads you've been goady on recently?? (And before you accuse me of stalking, your username is distinctive and has come up on a number of threads I've read recently) I'm not quite sure what you're getting out of it. Are you having a boring week or something?

Soapladies · 16/03/2025 13:00

GreenLeaf25 · 16/03/2025 12:05

Tbh I’d be really pissed off. When we were all presented with the invoices I would have said loudly that I’d cover the host seeing as she’s kindly putting us all up. I appreciate she is running a business but she knew what she was doing by not mentioning money - effectively hoodwinking you into paying. Not the best way to run a business

That didn’t occur to me - I love it! Not sure I’d have been brave enough in the moment though. The really inexplicable thing is that when we stay in an Airbnb we, including Friend 2, always bring wine/snacks/chocolate but she didn’t even bring that this time so it made charging Friend 1 even more odd

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GreenLeaf25 · 16/03/2025 12:05

Tbh I’d be really pissed off. When we were all presented with the invoices I would have said loudly that I’d cover the host seeing as she’s kindly putting us all up. I appreciate she is running a business but she knew what she was doing by not mentioning money - effectively hoodwinking you into paying. Not the best way to run a business

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 09:05

PoppyFleur · 16/03/2025 09:02

You do understand that this is a discussion site where people are allowed to post and canvass opinions from others. No one owes you an answer or an explanation as to their next steps.

So on this discussion site we can’t ask questions? Op doesn’t have to answer but I can ask questions surely?!😂

PoppyFleur · 16/03/2025 09:02

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:34

“Feels like crossing a line”

so do you intend to do anything op?

You do understand that this is a discussion site where people are allowed to post and canvass opinions from others. No one owes you an answer or an explanation as to their next steps.

Soapladies · 16/03/2025 08:49

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 16/03/2025 07:31

YANBU at all.

but she’s launched a business and looking for a bit of support and it can make people a bit desperate/weird.

I think it’s a bit gross and I wouldn’t do it myself but if you otherwise like her…it’s basically a glass of wine so I’d write it off

i do feel sorry for friend 1 though 😵‍💫🥴

To be fair I don’t know that she hasn’t sent Friend 1 a thank you after leaving and it’s certainly not my place to ask

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Soapladies · 16/03/2025 08:44

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:23

Oh the irony 😂

my best friend of 20 years did this? Even if I had thought…. Hmmm that’s a bit odd, never in a month of Sundays would I start a thread on mumsnet days later to bitch about it. You don’t think outing? The op calls her gauche, rude, thoughtless

lovely!

She’s a friend, not a ‘best friend’ and I’m asking because I’m not sure whether I’m being unreasonable or not. I’ve explained why and you think I’m unreasonable and that’s fair enough. You just seem quite cross about an AIBU thread on AIBU, which seems a little unreasonable to me!

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SunshineAndFizz · 16/03/2025 07:54

Oh come on, this is her business. You all clearly know this is how she makes her money. Why would she be giving stuff away? It’s so entitled to think she’d give you all stuff for nothing.

Fair enough something for the host to say thanks for having me/contributions to food and drink would be normal.

Tourmalines · 16/03/2025 07:37

She should have definitely mentioned the price . I mean don’t sellers always price things upfront so buyer knows how much and then can make a decision. She was a bit cheeky . And she should have gifted to friend one at least something .

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:34

“Feels like crossing a line”

so do you intend to do anything op?

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:33

SassiestPants · 16/03/2025 07:29

I have not interpreted it as bitching at all. OP has been respectful in how she described why happened.

Mumsnst is literally a forum for asking opinions so not sure why you're surprised she is posting after just returning from a trip during which this happened. Not ironic at all.

Gauche?
Rude?
Thoughtless?

and an very outing thread if any of the others are on it or family etc

Very close friend of 20 years?

ok we have a different idea on what bitching is

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 16/03/2025 07:31

YANBU at all.

but she’s launched a business and looking for a bit of support and it can make people a bit desperate/weird.

I think it’s a bit gross and I wouldn’t do it myself but if you otherwise like her…it’s basically a glass of wine so I’d write it off

i do feel sorry for friend 1 though 😵‍💫🥴

SassiestPants · 16/03/2025 07:29

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:23

Oh the irony 😂

my best friend of 20 years did this? Even if I had thought…. Hmmm that’s a bit odd, never in a month of Sundays would I start a thread on mumsnet days later to bitch about it. You don’t think outing? The op calls her gauche, rude, thoughtless

lovely!

I have not interpreted it as bitching at all. OP has been respectful in how she described why happened.

Mumsnst is literally a forum for asking opinions so not sure why you're surprised she is posting after just returning from a trip during which this happened. Not ironic at all.

GrandHighPoohbah · 16/03/2025 07:29

It sounds like a miscommunication. The soap seller should really have said, at the time of offering, "Does anyone want any of my soaps? £7.50 each. I can bring with me if anyone wants to buy". But she didn't, perhaps just assumed you all understood that. It's a small amount, so let it go, and expect to pay in future. I agree it's a bit off that soap seller didn't bring anything to contribute to the stay and still invoiced the hostess.

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:23

Blackcountrychik83 · 16/03/2025 07:21

Jeez I bet you’re fun in real life . Do you never think about things that happened recently or do you just forget things the moment they’ve happened ?!

The OP was just getting opinions like the other 98% of Mumsnet do . The site wouldn’t exist if no one could post things that had already happened .

Oh the irony 😂

my best friend of 20 years did this? Even if I had thought…. Hmmm that’s a bit odd, never in a month of Sundays would I start a thread on mumsnet days later to bitch about it. You don’t think outing? The op calls her gauche, rude, thoughtless

lovely!

Blackcountrychik83 · 16/03/2025 07:21

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:13

And none of the other friends have mentioned to you

So why not just put to bed?

Jeez I bet you’re fun in real life . Do you never think about things that happened recently or do you just forget things the moment they’ve happened ?!

The OP was just getting opinions like the other 98% of Mumsnet do . The site wouldn’t exist if no one could post things that had already happened .

WhatGoesHere · 16/03/2025 07:16

Oh well, now you know for next time.

Ketchupbroc · 16/03/2025 07:13

Soapladies · 15/03/2025 21:16

Couple of days, got back today hence my asking here

And none of the other friends have mentioned to you

So why not just put to bed?

Soapladies · 15/03/2025 21:16

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 18:25

How long ago was this?

Couple of days, got back today hence my asking here

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LittleLadyCece · 15/03/2025 18:25

If I’d have been the host I may have thought about producing an invoice for £15 to her for her stay 🤣🤣

Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 18:25

How long ago was this?

Soapladies · 15/03/2025 18:19

Pineapplewaves · 15/03/2025 18:01

You assumed the soap was a gift. Friend didn’t say “do you want to buy one of my new soaps?”but neither did you say “how much”, so it’s just a case of bad communication, nobody is right or wrong.

Friend 2 is rude not to give a gift to her hosts (however I usually give a gift on leaving, so the host gets to enjoy it themselves and not just put it into the pot for the other guests to dig into).

Edited

She’s never marketed in our group chat before, usually would be a separate message saying what fairs she’s doing, launching new products or reminder dates for last Christmas posting. Thing is, I usually buy three at a time so just asked for one because I thought it was a present and didn’t want to be greedy! But if she’d asked in the group chat if we wanted to buy soaps I’d have said no I think. I don’t like being sold to like that, feels like it crossing a line

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Ketchupbroc · 15/03/2025 18:05

Soapladies · 15/03/2025 18:00

Not at all, we’ve just paid up and carried on

But you’re still stewing on it

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