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why only women mostly do these things? what do men do?

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CoursesForHorsesandMares · 15/03/2025 11:41

Over the past years say like a decade maybe longer I have done lots of different activities including short courses. Initially (like many women who made a similar mistake!) I started out with wine tasting when I was in a dating mind set and I did it to try to meet some men and broaden my social circle. Of course as anyone who has done this will tell you, wine tasting is 99% women trying to meet men who arent there!

Since then I've done lots of different courses for things I was interested in learning - not to meet guys -but a comment on a different thread (about walking groups) made me think that actually all of these courses are just women -maybe you get one or two men but in every case it is hugely dispropotionate weighting. This covers a really wide range of subjects from lots of varied providers - art based courses, computer based courses, acting courses, language course, comedy courses, wine tasting I've mentioned, street skating, skiiing, climbing. Even the ones that are less stereotypically 'female' - same thing again - almost all women.

Doesn't matter what the subject is - it's always women and not just single women with very few men. If you have a group of say 10 or 15, usually one man maybe two. Why is this? Is it women who are just interested in learning? Or is there something else? It's really strange because the law of averages should dictate a greater male attendance. I'm not saying 50:50 but maybe even 60:40 is so far away.

Why is it so disproportionate? What are men never doing these kinds of things?

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Gwenhwyfar · 15/03/2025 12:13

0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 12:11

I also think in some instances a lot of women do not want to be single, so invest a lot of time widening their social sphere in the hope of meeting a partner. Men are often not bothered, and tend in my experience to choose sports/teams where mixed teams can be rare.

I don't really agree that men aren't bothered about being single. They're often more lonely than women because they don't cultivate their friendships as much. Anything that is specifically to find a partner will have a lot of men in it e.g. dating sites.

CoursesForHorsesandMares · 15/03/2025 12:12

I wonder if as some people say that men are less inclined to seek society. I mean some of the stuff I've done has had most retired women in it where I've been the youngest by a long way - and I don't mean lonely widows, people who have partners who are still alive - but have free time in retirement and are interested in the topic.

So you would think that there would be men in both of these groups - both retired with more time and interested in learning and men who are widowed trying to find a wide social circle. Maybe they all just sit at home lonely.

Just to be clear, I'm not asking this in a 'I want to meet men way' because I've no need but in a socio-anthropological (probably wrong words) interested way because it is very noticeable and strange.

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0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 12:11

I also think in some instances a lot of women do not want to be single, so invest a lot of time widening their social sphere in the hope of meeting a partner. Men are often not bothered, and tend in my experience to choose sports/teams where mixed teams can be rare.

Gwenhwyfar · 15/03/2025 12:10

In my current evening class we are about equal, maybe even more men, but it's something that might help people's careers.
If a course is done 'for fun' then I'd think it's more like a social club and in general women are 'joiners' whereas men aren't and I think the main reason for this is that it's more acceptable for men to just go to the pub by themselves and start chatting to the other men in the pub. Women (in general) don't do this, so need to join a club/group.
Also, some cities really just have a lot more women than men.

IamAporcupine · 15/03/2025 12:10

LoremIpsumCici · 15/03/2025 11:50

My personal view is that if a man wants to do an activity, they will just start doing it. They aren’t going to pay for and attend a course to learn a hobby. It’s something with how they are socialised or wired- and I think the fact men tend to not read the instructions for anything you need to assemble while women do is part of the same phenomenon.

I was going to say something similar - it seems to me that men just get on with it and start the activity by themselves, be it an instrument, language or sport.

Also, Instead of wasting in lessons/courses, they probably rather spent the money on more "gear".

0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 12:09

I think a lot of men, especially those beyond about 30, genuinely aren't fussed about socialising, and particularly not through group classes. I think their focus is solely on skill acquisition as opposed to appreciate something like a watercolour class partly for social engagement too.

GoldStar2 · 15/03/2025 12:08

I think as people get older women are more social and join things yes.

I’ve been to book groups and various music groups that have all been about 50% men.

CoursesForHorsesandMares · 15/03/2025 12:07

It's just so strikingly disproportionate as to be odd when you look across so many different subjects.

You could dismiss it maybe for classically stereotypical female subjects like very craft based, sewing, arts but it is everything it seems to me. It is very out of the ordinary to find a sex balance approaching anything like even 60:40 or even 70:30 sometimes, its more 90:10 or 100% women.

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Lentilweaver · 15/03/2025 12:05

Elliephant07 · 15/03/2025 11:54

I have anecdotally experienced this too (not all men etc etc) - but why? Are they shy? Just don't like people? My husband says this sometimes (like '99% of people aren't worth talking too' - I definitely disagree) but I then wonder if that's just an excuse? But maybe I can't understand because I am just naturally social?

I am very social and deeply interested in people.
DH isnt because his job is peoply. His interests are mostly solitary. He doesnt hate people but he doesnt seek them out. He's not shy; if he does have to go to a party he chats with everyone. Most of my friends' husbands are the same way.

custardlover · 15/03/2025 12:04

Sport. I hypothesise that the ratio will be reversed when it comes to watching / playing sport as a leisure activity. That’s where more men are spending their time. If you want to meet men, go to watch QPR on a Saturday afternoon and spend the evening in the Defector’s Weld pub afterwards (other teams / pubs are available).

ginasevern · 15/03/2025 12:04

I've actually hosted courses and events and it's mostly women that sign up with one or two men who usually drop out after a few sessions. Maybe they feel embarrassed at being a minority or maybe they're pissed off because they haven't pulled.

StrawberrySquash · 15/03/2025 12:04

I wonder if it's something about women in general being more social and group focussed so they attend a group for group as much as they do to learn.

And as we age I think there's a stereotype of the woman in early retirement out doing lots of stuff, while the men retreat a bit. Get stuck in a routine. I think there are more women frustrated with checked out retired husbands than the other way round. Although that may be partly because it's often the man who is older.

I also wonder if it's partly driven by women being the primary carer for children - still! Kids get older and responsibilities lessen. That's a prompt for a woman to say 'Great! I'm taking up life drawings classes on Tuesday evenings.' For the man whose life was less affected by kids that change never happens. Usual disclaimer that this is not universal but I'm still seeing it in my generation. (40s)

Moier · 15/03/2025 12:03

My swim/ exercise class has 18 women and two men.
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CoursesForHorsesandMares · 15/03/2025 12:03

@wherearemypastnames
The activities I do have always been more men than women - but they are not courses

What sort of activities are you talking about? Sports?

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wherearemypastnames · 15/03/2025 12:01

The activities I do have always been more men than women - but they are not courses. There may be some socialisation aspect as men do learn formally in male only environments like the men’s shed. Also where men are the dominant career / bread winner ( whixh is still the norm) there can be more pressure and more continuous learning during work which might make such activities less attractive

CoursesForHorsesandMares · 15/03/2025 11:59

This has been mostly in London ( but not all )which is how I've had access to so many options.

@MrsSkylerWhite I've done calligraphy and again all women. I think you must have had an anomolous group with a 50/50 split. I wonder whether the tutor's sex makes a difference but my calligraphy was with a man.

My personal view is that if a man wants to do an activity, they will just start doing it. They aren’t going to pay for and attend a course to learn a hobby. It’s something with how they are socialised or wired- and I think the fact men tend to not read the instructions for anything you need to assemble while women do is part of the same phenomenon.

@LoremIpsumCici - actually that is a very interesting theory. Makes me think of Andy Murray and his recently publicised skiing exploits. Why not just have a couple of lessons?!

https://talksport.com/tennis/2924867/andy-murray-skiing-emergency-rescue/

'I'm in trouble' - Andy Murray had to be saved from mountain in skiing emergency

Andy Murray’s incredible athletic talent seems to be confined to the tennis court if his recent skiing holiday is anything to go by.  During a recent episode of the Sporting Misadventures podcast, …

https://talksport.com/tennis/2924867/andy-murray-skiing-emergency-rescue/

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Movinghouseatlast · 15/03/2025 11:59

Leafy74 · 15/03/2025 11:47

It only took 2 posts for the manhating to start!
Classic Mumsnet!🤣

It's not man hating, it's the truth. Many academic studies have shown that men tend, more than women, to think they can just go ahead and do something rather than learn how to do it first. It's due to evolution- men had to take risks to hunt for food.

An example of this is when a man reads a job spec he will apply even though he may not meet all the criteria. Women tend to not apply if they feel they don't meet 100% of the criteria. Obviously this is to womens detriment.

It is often defined ( by men usually!) as men being confident and women being underconfident but it's much deeper than that.

Snorlaxo · 15/03/2025 11:56

Maybe men are more likely to learn from YouTube as it’s free and use their money and time on other things.

Possibly a stereotype but maybe men are more likely to join other groups to meet women ? For example cycling, gyms and running are very popular with MN partners and men.

BestIsWest · 15/03/2025 11:54

I do painting, drawing and a language course. There are one or two men in each class and about 15 women. Mostly retired.

I do some outdoor volunteer work though and that’s pretty evenly split.

Elliephant07 · 15/03/2025 11:54

Lentilweaver · 15/03/2025 11:48

I think men, especially middle aged men, are far less social.

I have anecdotally experienced this too (not all men etc etc) - but why? Are they shy? Just don't like people? My husband says this sometimes (like '99% of people aren't worth talking too' - I definitely disagree) but I then wonder if that's just an excuse? But maybe I can't understand because I am just naturally social?

swimsong · 15/03/2025 11:52

Leafy74 · 15/03/2025 11:47

It only took 2 posts for the manhating to start!
Classic Mumsnet!🤣

You're using a peculiar definition of hate.

LoremIpsumCici · 15/03/2025 11:52

AppleKatie · 15/03/2025 11:44

this seems unlikely, I thought all the stats say women have less leisure time than men on average?

The ones that work. There is still a 5% employment gap between men and women.

Augustus40 · 15/03/2025 11:51

Men are rarely inclined to join things.

LoremIpsumCici · 15/03/2025 11:50

My personal view is that if a man wants to do an activity, they will just start doing it. They aren’t going to pay for and attend a course to learn a hobby. It’s something with how they are socialised or wired- and I think the fact men tend to not read the instructions for anything you need to assemble while women do is part of the same phenomenon.

Devilsmommy · 15/03/2025 11:48

Skeldale · 15/03/2025 11:42

I think it’s probably because a lot of men genuinely don’t think they need to learn anything!

Spot on🤣

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