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Flexible working question - not obliged to answer?

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Difficile · 14/03/2025 11:17

I'm looking to apply for flexible working. I know my request will get refused before I've even asked because I've been told it will, but I'd like to put the request in anyway just in case.

One of the questions on the form asks about how my request will impact my work and colleagues. According to ACAS (and the law) it is no longer required to answer this question, so AIBU to write just that in the section?

Something like "I am not obligated to answer this by law", just short and to the point?

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BooomShakeTheRoom · 14/03/2025 13:07

Difficile · 14/03/2025 11:36

I'm not obligated to think about that, it's up to my employer surely, hence the removal of the requirement in the laws relating to flexible work.

You sound like a difficult person. I manage a team and out of respect for the rest of the team, I know 100% my colleagues would all think about their team mates.

If anyone wrote “I’m not obliged to answer this”, it would tell me everything I need to know. That I’d do the minimum I had to legally, and I absolutely wouldn’t be looking for ways to make it work for them.

You get what you give in life.

User5274959 · 14/03/2025 13:07

Answer it if you can, but if you don't want to I would just leave it blank.

TunnocksOrDeath · 14/03/2025 13:07

You might not have to answer it, but your manager will 100% be thinking about it anyway, because they have to manage the team as a whole. So if the answer is that it won't affect them negatively, then you'd be mad not to mention that. If you refuse to answer it, your manager might therefore assume it's because you think it will negatively affect your colleagues, but don't want to say so. Sometimes the strategic thing to do is play along.

Miaowzabella · 14/03/2025 13:05

If you don't answer the question, you are going to come across as either the sort of person who does not think through the possible implications of a course of action or the sort of person who does not give a damn about her work or her colleagues. Neither is likely to be helpful to your application.

Bluevelvetsofa · 14/03/2025 13:04

What are the flexible terms you’re seeking?

TheBlueRobin · 14/03/2025 13:04

In the effort you've gone to to write this post and reply to responses... you could have just answered the question on the form...

Difficile · 14/03/2025 13:01

travelwaffle · 14/03/2025 12:58

Even if I thought the business did have justified reason I would still fill in this box. OP could point out that she's a valued worker, has had consistently strong performance reviews, and will be hard to replace, which will have a detrimental impact on the team.

Filling in the box would take less time than OP is pending arguing about it on the thread.

There's no law that says the employer can't take this information into account OP.

That's fair. Thank you.

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Difficile · 14/03/2025 13:01

Throwntothewolves · 14/03/2025 12:55

OP it seems like there's more to this. For whatever reason you are pissed off at your employer and it seems don't want to work there anymore, but aren't prepared to just hand your notice in. It seems like your employer refusing your flexible working request is exactly what you want.
Did you ask informally expecting a yes, but got a no? Is that why you're being a bit arsey about the form and defeatist?

Do you want to give up work but your partner doesn't agree? Remember just because you can afford it on their wage doesn't mean all the burden should be on them.

It's a good idea to keep in mind that you've changed your life by having a child. You presumably still have the job you did before. Your employer is not obligated to adapt to your life choices. The right to request flexible working is not an entitlement to have flexible working. Too many people (mainly women) make that mistake.

Not pissed off, didn't expect a yes, and have a fully supportive partner.

Just wondered if we could all make work, work, and we probably can't. I was just going to formalise the answer before handing in my notice.

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longapple · 14/03/2025 12:59

what flexbility are you asking for?

travelwaffle · 14/03/2025 12:58

Even if I thought the business did have justified reason I would still fill in this box. OP could point out that she's a valued worker, has had consistently strong performance reviews, and will be hard to replace, which will have a detrimental impact on the team.

Filling in the box would take less time than OP is pending arguing about it on the thread.

There's no law that says the employer can't take this information into account OP.

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:58

Louielooiloveyou · 14/03/2025 12:52

It doesn’t sound congruent with how your employers view holding on to you

perhaps you could volunteer back there to help your colleagues out (sorry couldn’t resist)

you've been there 17 years…I’d be sore about the non flexibility

They asked me to continue in a consultancy role, but I'd still have to work to the same work conditions. I could go back to the same company, area, team as a consultant but there's no scope to do so with the full flexible working terms I've asked for so it would be limited in comparison to the amount of work I do now.

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Throwntothewolves · 14/03/2025 12:55

OP it seems like there's more to this. For whatever reason you are pissed off at your employer and it seems don't want to work there anymore, but aren't prepared to just hand your notice in. It seems like your employer refusing your flexible working request is exactly what you want.
Did you ask informally expecting a yes, but got a no? Is that why you're being a bit arsey about the form and defeatist?

Do you want to give up work but your partner doesn't agree? Remember just because you can afford it on their wage doesn't mean all the burden should be on them.

It's a good idea to keep in mind that you've changed your life by having a child. You presumably still have the job you did before. Your employer is not obligated to adapt to your life choices. The right to request flexible working is not an entitlement to have flexible working. Too many people (mainly women) make that mistake.

Bear2014 · 14/03/2025 12:54

As someone who works flexibly and was granted the maximum amount of flexibility at work:

Does the request impact your work or colleagues? If you genuinely believe it doesn't, then you should say that, and support your request with this. I would think it would be more likely to be approved, if so.

If you are honest with yourself that it does impact your work and colleagues, you could put NA and it may well not be approved but that's fair enough in this instance. Flexible working should not come at a cost to the quality of your work, or your colleagues.

Didimum · 14/03/2025 12:53

Surely there is an updated form for the new, legal requirements? Can't you just ask HR for that and say this one appears to be out of date?

LoveWine123 · 14/03/2025 12:53

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:52

But surely I cannot be treated any differently whether I fill it in or not. It's not a legal requirement, so it shouldn't make any difference.

Buy why won’t you ask for the form to be updated before filling it out?

Louielooiloveyou · 14/03/2025 12:52

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:49

That's your opinion. I'm well aware of my skills and my abilities. 👍🏻 I don't need to be modest about it.

It doesn’t sound congruent with how your employers view holding on to you

perhaps you could volunteer back there to help your colleagues out (sorry couldn’t resist)

you've been there 17 years…I’d be sore about the non flexibility

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:52

travelwaffle · 14/03/2025 12:50

But OP if you want to stay, why would you not help yourself? The approach you plan to take is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The company can only reject your application for one of a number of specific reasons (previously given on this thread). This box is your opportunity to explain why none of those reasons apply upfront and make it harder for them.

They can't reject your application because you didn't fill in this box, but equally they're not doing anything wrong by suggesting you do fill it in because it's in your interests.

It might not work, but if you can't be bothered to even try, then don't waste the time filling in the form and just quit!

But surely I cannot be treated any differently whether I fill it in or not. It's not a legal requirement, so it shouldn't make any difference.

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TheKeatingFive · 14/03/2025 12:51

I don't know why you're bothering with this form if you have no interest in actually persuading them it could work.

Just resign.

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:50

anniegun · 14/03/2025 12:48

Why are you asking the question if you just want to argue against any answer that is not in line with your opinion?

I wondered if people had other ways of putting it, such as writing N/A or leaving it blank as others have suggested.

And simply for other opinions.

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travelwaffle · 14/03/2025 12:50

But OP if you want to stay, why would you not help yourself? The approach you plan to take is just cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The company can only reject your application for one of a number of specific reasons (previously given on this thread). This box is your opportunity to explain why none of those reasons apply upfront and make it harder for them.

They can't reject your application because you didn't fill in this box, but equally they're not doing anything wrong by suggesting you do fill it in because it's in your interests.

It might not work, but if you can't be bothered to even try, then don't waste the time filling in the form and just quit!

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:49

wishiwasjoking · 14/03/2025 12:46

No one who describes themselves as "bloody good" at their job is even remotely good at it.

I hire people all the time and the best ones never think they're as good as they are, and the worst ones always think they're amazing or deserve a promotion.

That's your opinion. I'm well aware of my skills and my abilities. 👍🏻 I don't need to be modest about it.

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Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:48

wishiwasjoking · 14/03/2025 12:45

She won't answer the question about why she's (semi-)bothering, I've already asked.

I didn't see you ask.

I have actually answered before - I enjoy my work and I enjoy my team, however, our circumstances have changed and we no longer need my wage, so, if work doesn't work for me any longer, I'll simply resign and do some volunteer work to occupy myself.

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anniegun · 14/03/2025 12:48

Why are you asking the question if you just want to argue against any answer that is not in line with your opinion?

ThatsNotMyTeen · 14/03/2025 12:48

I’d just leave it blank or write n/a

wishiwasjoking · 14/03/2025 12:46

Difficile · 14/03/2025 12:39

😂😂 Love the character judgments on these threads. I've literally worked in the same place since 2008 and have glowing feedback from supervisors, colleagues and other people I work with, not that I need to justify my behaviour or work ethic to anyone here. I just find it funny. I know I'm bloody good at my job, I just don't want to fill out part of a form when legally the onus is now on the company to look at mitigating factors and not me.

No one who describes themselves as "bloody good" at their job is even remotely good at it.

I hire people all the time and the best ones never think they're as good as they are, and the worst ones always think they're amazing or deserve a promotion.

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