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My co-parent threatening to stop me seeing my 4 year old daughter after I said I was looking to change rear-facing car seat in my car to front facing.

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lovingthegiftcom · 14/03/2025 08:18

While I was discussing some issues of concern with my coparent via her friend, my coparent threatened to not allow me to see my daughter again a few days ago.
The reason?
Because I was looking at changing the rear-facing car seat to a front facing car seat for my daughter who is now 4 years old.
I have 20 years no claims on my car, my co-parent has made a few claims and had accidents in the past few years.
I appreciate they are a bit safer. But rear facing seats can cause sickness and vomiting plus it gets uncomfortable as the child gets older. I get that a baby should be in rear facing but government guidelines are:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/road-safety/car-seat-laws/

I am upset and confused as my coparent does not take into account other more serious everyday issues:

  1. My daughter gets foot injuries at her mum’s place sometimes: cuts etc due to glass and nails and other items on floors and in the garden. She blames my daughter for losing her shoes (true my daughter is guilty there) but theres plenty of shoes and slippers about. Her mum has lost one of her cats 3 weeks ago after it ate something lying around in the house. (It died due to internal strangulation or something) Now she has "only 4" cats and wants another one.
  2. On car seats: I bought an expensive £200 Swedish safety rated rear facing seat at my co-patent’s insistence but she doesn't care much about the dirt, pc tablets, rubbish and crap in the car that’s far more dangerous in a crash at 70 MPH or if the car topples over: those items will smash on the kids heads. My coparent has already had a few car accidents and incidents in the past few years.
  3. I had an allergy to cat fur myself, my daughter has asthma as does her mum. A few weeks ago when I was up there, my daughter had a very serious episode of coughing in the middle of the night lasting a couple of hours. Again letting the cats sleep on the bed does not help but my coparent doesn't think its an issue as she keeps giving us the impression she knows more than the medical professionals.
  4. There are flees and fruit flies in most of the rooms even in the cold winter months because of food bits and plates and cutlery because the kids can eat in bedrooms etc and sometimes plates and cups stay there for days. This doesn't seem to bother my coparent much. And she has a cleaner paid for doing 10 hours a week cleaning.

There are other issues which are not needed to be said.

Maybe its me. Maybe I am in the wrong. My relationship with my coparent has gone south in the past year or two but that’s life. I have 2 grown up kids from a previous relationship and I am a good parent as far as anyone can see but yes I also have faults. I am not perfect and I have tried to listen and placate my coparent as I know she really loves her kids. (She has 2 older boys from a previous relationship too) I hope we can find a middle way forward for the sake of our daughter who has so much potential. We got on fine until about a year ago as we found a middle way even when we disagreed but there is someone stirring things up between us which does not help. It is not her friend that I know too a bit but someone my coparent is friends with as my coparent talks to me rudely and looks at me like I am a piece of rubbish sometimes. It is one of 3 people or a combination who are causing trouble.
My coparent will no doubt comment too as she will get the link to this.
Thanks for reading. Any advice or comments welcome but lets be fair too!

Car child seat laws: everything you need to know | RAC Drive

Car seat laws have changed, specifically around booster seats. If you're not clued up you could be breaking the law and putting your child's life at risk.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/road-safety/car-seat-laws/

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Digdongdoo · 15/03/2025 19:26

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 15/03/2025 18:33

I have indeed googled it and I still think WTAF.
15 months to 2yrs is adequate.
Do you not think kids look awkwardly positioned?
Facing a piece of material, not being able to see outside seems unnecessary. So please don't imply I am either stupid or ignorant.
I stand by what I wrote

15 months is not even close to adequate. Why would they not be able to see outside? There's still windows...

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 15/03/2025 18:33

LightDrizzle · 14/03/2025 10:38

@Didshejustsaythatoutloud - it has been recommended for a number of years now and I have certainly seen it regularly.
It wasn’t a thing when mine were that age or yours I assume but honestly you could have quickly googled before commenting that it seems “cruel”. It’s not arcane knowledge.

I have indeed googled it and I still think WTAF.
15 months to 2yrs is adequate.
Do you not think kids look awkwardly positioned?
Facing a piece of material, not being able to see outside seems unnecessary. So please don't imply I am either stupid or ignorant.
I stand by what I wrote

oohlalalaa · 15/03/2025 12:04

My kids were both FF from about 18 months, my eldest has always had terrible car sickness and the seat being one way or the other made zero difference. Either seat is legal so it's up to you, but if it's genuinely about travel sickness it's not going to make a difference. Anti sickness pills are the only help, and I'm convinced that's only because they knock them out.

LionME · 15/03/2025 11:53

I had my dcs in a FF seat at 18 months or so too.
But that was a time when there was very few RF seats….

My point being, if your dd still fits the RF seat, don’t change it. Dint change it ‘because she bored and/or falling asleep’. Don’t change it because she has been sick a few times in the car. A lot of children are.
Safety is more important imo.

MrsSunshine2b · 15/03/2025 11:02

lovingthegiftcom · 15/03/2025 10:45

My point in looking at front facing was mainly given her growth & also she is more prone to sickness too & she has been sick in both my car &her mum's . She gets a bit bored & sleeps so I was considering the change. I may leave it for a few months yet but I started the conversation with mum to see how she felt.

I'd be very shocked if you can find a child who hasn't been sick in a car once or twice. If she has regular bad car sickness then it's worth considering but FF won't necessarily help. In terms of growth, she's either over the weight limit or not.

lovingthegiftcom · 15/03/2025 10:45

MrsSunshine2b · 15/03/2025 10:37

When we started have my stepdaughter overnight many years ago and neither of us drove, we had no idea about carseat safety and the few times we went somewhere in someone else's car we just sat her on a booster. I now know that she should have been in a FF seat at least, if not a RF seat.

I'm not going to cling to my past ignorance just because I made a mistake last time. DD5 sits in a RF seat and will do until she outgrows the weight requirements.

It seems like you are making this into an issue for no reason. You've got the seat, you know it's safer, your ex is more comfortable with it.

My point in looking at front facing was mainly given her growth & also she is more prone to sickness too & she has been sick in both my car &her mum's . She gets a bit bored & sleeps so I was considering the change. I may leave it for a few months yet but I started the conversation with mum to see how she felt.

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MrsSunshine2b · 15/03/2025 10:37

lovingthegiftcom · 15/03/2025 09:18

So its hard to relay everything. There are things on the floors due to the fact theres a lot going on in the house & things are often left & the kids do what they want to a large extent. I am always doing the tidying up, bringing plates from bedrooms, sorting fridge out, clearing things, washing up etc when I am up there which alternates every fortnight when I have my daughter down in Essex. I treat her two older boys from a previous relationship the same way I treat my daughter and I have looked after them all when she has had days out etc. The cleaner is provided for by Adult Social Services but she can only do so much. I try & help & yes things in the past have escalated to involve outside bodies. Some progress has been made. My point in stating some of my concerns is to contrast those with this obsession with rear facing seats. I genuinely dont understand that. I had kids from a previous relationship &I had front facing car seats after they became over the 18 month stage. I am not the sort of man who wants to do petty point scoring but wanted some constructive feedback. Thank You.

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When we started have my stepdaughter overnight many years ago and neither of us drove, we had no idea about carseat safety and the few times we went somewhere in someone else's car we just sat her on a booster. I now know that she should have been in a FF seat at least, if not a RF seat.

I'm not going to cling to my past ignorance just because I made a mistake last time. DD5 sits in a RF seat and will do until she outgrows the weight requirements.

It seems like you are making this into an issue for no reason. You've got the seat, you know it's safer, your ex is more comfortable with it.

lovingthegiftcom · 15/03/2025 09:18

So its hard to relay everything. There are things on the floors due to the fact theres a lot going on in the house & things are often left & the kids do what they want to a large extent. I am always doing the tidying up, bringing plates from bedrooms, sorting fridge out, clearing things, washing up etc when I am up there which alternates every fortnight when I have my daughter down in Essex. I treat her two older boys from a previous relationship the same way I treat my daughter and I have looked after them all when she has had days out etc. The cleaner is provided for by Adult Social Services but she can only do so much. I try & help & yes things in the past have escalated to involve outside bodies. Some progress has been made. My point in stating some of my concerns is to contrast those with this obsession with rear facing seats. I genuinely dont understand that. I had kids from a previous relationship &I had front facing car seats after they became over the 18 month stage. I am not the sort of man who wants to do petty point scoring but wanted some constructive feedback. Thank You.

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JLou08 · 14/03/2025 21:50

Doesn't sound like a healthy co-parenting relationship at all. If what you say is true your co-parent is neglectful. I say if what you say is true as it seems odd to bring all this up when discussing a car seat and say that you hope things get better. If you wanted things to get better you wouldn't be so fixated on a forward facing car seat, looking for research to suit your wants and then listing other things your co-parent has done wrong. If you really wanted things to improve then you would stick with the rear facing car seat. Surely your research has led to you learning that rear facing is recommended for as long as possible.
Your post just comes across like you are desperate for some form of control and are trying to be clever about it by finding research to back you up and painting a picture of a neglectful mother. If you are seriously concerned about your child's health and safety with her mother forget about the car seat and address the actual issue.

MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 21:04

Justgoodforthegetting · 14/03/2025 17:59

This is an image from a Google search of the car seat I have. This child is obviously way older than 4 so if you can imagine a much shorter cold would just stick their legs straight out in front of them.
My kids quite often chooses to cross his legs anyway, I think as grown ups we think of having our legs crossed as strange and uncomfortable because we just don’t sit like that, but if you watch kids they quite often cross legs and fold themselves into weird and wonderful positions because they are so so much more flexible than adults.

I do, I spend most of my day sat cross-legged, so I'm always confused about this argument!

Justgoodforthegetting · 14/03/2025 17:59

Spirallingdownwards · 14/03/2025 10:51

As someone whose kids were pre the current rear facing advice I still can't picture where their legs go. How wide is the chair if they can fit in it cross legged. Surely that's bad for circulation if on a longer journey?

This is an image from a Google search of the car seat I have. This child is obviously way older than 4 so if you can imagine a much shorter cold would just stick their legs straight out in front of them.
My kids quite often chooses to cross his legs anyway, I think as grown ups we think of having our legs crossed as strange and uncomfortable because we just don’t sit like that, but if you watch kids they quite often cross legs and fold themselves into weird and wonderful positions because they are so so much more flexible than adults.

ItShouldntHappenToMeYet · 14/03/2025 12:06

Sounds less like co-parenting , more just arguing via a proxy.
Poor child!
Nightmare for all

Bristollocalknowledge · 14/03/2025 11:37

I don’t understand why you even needed to tell her about the car seat.

Do you live far away? You say up there which suggests you do. Can you move closer and go for 50/50?

If you’re concerned about her living conditions then contact SS. Is your daughter actually allergic to cats? I have a similiar aged child with asthma, hers is only triggered by illnesses and letting the cat sleep on her bed or not makes no difference. We’ve tried and it’s not different.

saraclara · 14/03/2025 11:30

Let's not bring the whole rear facing vs front facing debate into this thread. It's not about that, and there are a million other threads exclusively on that subject.

It's about whether the other parent can prevent OP from seeing their child if they use a FF seat. And they can't. It's ridiculous. The FF seat is perfectly legal and no court will consider it a reason for OP to be deprived of contact with their child.

The tit for tat is immaterial (though I appreciate it's frustrating) and those issues need addressing by other means.

tropicalroses · 14/03/2025 11:29

You sound passive aggressive and controlling. You have 14 more years of parenting together, your poor friend can't act as a go between for all of it. Stop focusing on "winning" and beating your ex and start focusing on actually being a good parent.

Digdongdoo · 14/03/2025 11:24

She is wrong to threaten to stop contact due to the car seat. But if you have so many concerns about her living conditions, why haven't you, or aren't you doing anything? What kind of contact are you currently having?

MrsSunshine2b · 14/03/2025 11:21

Spirallingdownwards · 14/03/2025 10:51

As someone whose kids were pre the current rear facing advice I still can't picture where their legs go. How wide is the chair if they can fit in it cross legged. Surely that's bad for circulation if on a longer journey?

It's not good for circulation to be on a very long journey anyway; that's why you're recommended to get out and stretch your legs every few hours.

However, walk into any environment where children are sitting and you'll see they sit in all kinds of crazy positions, but what you won't see is them sitting on a high seat with their legs dangling, as they do in a FF seat. For that matter, you won't see many adults sitting this way either, hence why bar stools have foot rests on them.

The seat doesn't need to be wide enough for them to sit cross legged because their knees with poke out at the sides in that position, which isn't an issue. The purpose is to protect their head and neck.

https://erfmission.com/rear-facing-legs-go/

Crazybaby123 · 14/03/2025 11:16

Why are you discussing the car seat with them? By discussing it you invited the opinion of others.
The co parent cant ban you from seeing your child because of a car seat.

RabbitsEatPancakes · 14/03/2025 11:14

Spirallingdownwards · 14/03/2025 10:51

As someone whose kids were pre the current rear facing advice I still can't picture where their legs go. How wide is the chair if they can fit in it cross legged. Surely that's bad for circulation if on a longer journey?

Crossed is better than dangling for anyone surely? How long would you be comfortable sitting on a bar stool with no foot rest?

RabbitsEatPancakes · 14/03/2025 11:12

Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 14/03/2025 10:36

Where do the 4yr olds legs go? I've never seen any 4yr old in rear facing car seat before.

They go in front of them. M 5yo is rear facing and has his feet flat on the seat in front of him- where an adults bum would go if they were sat in the car.

His seat has runners so slides back, he's not scrunched against the back of the adult seat.

Much more comfortable than having dangling legs if he was forward facing.

muggart · 14/03/2025 11:09

I think you are both really underestimating the damage that could be happening to her lungs. A child with asthma cannot be expected to live in conditions that irritate her lungs. My dad grew up like that and his lungs were always a mess and he died of a fatal asthma attack when he was 36. Please give your DD a chance to heal and outgrow her asthma.

Ladamesansmerci · 14/03/2025 11:07

These are lots of separate issues. Rear facing IS safer due to the developing spine.

The other issues sound neglectful and obviously need sorting.

Maddy70 · 14/03/2025 11:04

Bringing up your co parents issues is tit for tat and has nothing to do with your argument over a car seat.

sandyhappypeople · 14/03/2025 11:01

Why is communication going through 'a friend' surely things can be lost in translation or made 'more' or 'less' than what they are. That may be making communication worse not better in a way.

As far as car seats go, you are within your rights to change to forward facing, rear facing is considered safer but as long as your child meets the height and weight criteria for a forward facing seat (is it a high backed booster or a 5 point harness seat?) then legally you are fine, but saying you have twenty years no claims is pretty ridiculous and adds absolutely no purpose to your 'argument' aside from trying to come across as superior.. 20 years no claims won't matter if someone isn't paying attention and rear ends you at 50mph+

If you think your child's health is being put at risk you need to do something about it, you seem more bothered about 'who is the better parent' rather than what is best for your child?

femfemlicious · 14/03/2025 10:58

JustWalkingTheDogs · 14/03/2025 08:35

Only discuss your daughter if you need to. What she does in your time is your responsibility, the same goes for your ex. Things like rear facing car seats do not need to be discussed.

what I would do though is speak to a family solicitor and sort out legal contact etc, so if your ex does start to refuse you access you’re halfway down the road already regarding legalities

It doesn't concern him that his child gets cuts on her feet from glass and nails😟

@lovingthegiftcom please get social services to do a home visit and assessment . Maybe you should file for more custody