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Content Warning (concerns S.A.) Added by MNHQ - To have expected more from school safeguarding

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123dontcomeatme · 14/03/2025 07:35

I honestly feel like I'm in an alternative universe at the moment.

My daughter is in her last year of a levels. She has been raped and experienced other sexual assults and cohersive control. This has been taken to the police, its taken about 6 weeks but she's done the interview, has an ivsa, therapy in place.

During this time her school attendance has been sporadic. I think that is understandable. The police, ivsa and therapy all talk about this being a hard time and doing what she feels comfortable doing etc.
The school are getting shirty.
Ive kept in communication with the school, the ivsa has spoken to them too.

Despite this, I had a call from safeguarding last night, pushing for my daughter to do her mocks. I said she had been doing well but the arrest too place on Wednesday and we have both had harassment from the family since, which has been reported and is being dealt with and how that's been very difficult, I couldn't work on Wednesday, my emotions were too huge, let alone my daughter.

The safeguarding lead then said, ' well hopefully she will bounce back quicker this time, that's the issue with children now, they need to build more resilience.

I am just dumbstruck.

I replied that this was a very serious matter and that if she was working it would be likely she would be off sick and she just gave me a patronising ' hmmm'

This isnt ok, is it.
I dont have any fight left in me now, but this isn't ok. Why do schools expect children to be like robots.

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Floppyelf · 17/03/2025 07:11

Floppyelf · 17/03/2025 07:08

I honestly wouldn’t want that moron working at that school anymore. Take a complaint and make the school liable. By the way she’s acting its sounds like she’s the kind or person that would offer up kids to paedo’s…. Make it known.

It sounds like the head of staff are pro rapists… any chance he’s related to the suspect? He might just be a rapist who’s gotten away with it…. What you need is people on your side. Local WA? You need people who are womens rights advocates who have the free time!

Floppyelf · 17/03/2025 07:08

I honestly wouldn’t want that moron working at that school anymore. Take a complaint and make the school liable. By the way she’s acting its sounds like she’s the kind or person that would offer up kids to paedo’s…. Make it known.

123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 07:04

Twenty- i am sorry. Its so hard. Wish you strength.

Im raging. I really am now I'm up and showered.

The head of sixth knows... I have email trails begging for help and details of how much dd is struggling, asking for support to limp through the next 2 months. Explained that she said one of the reasons she can't face the mocks is she can't face a bad mark which is inevitable and the roasting from her teachers that will come with that.
She's a a/ b student.

Knowing that the head instructed the teachers to mark her as a u on her report that came out Thursday. One day after the arrest. Her physics teacher spoke to her on Tuesday to say sorry, that she thinks it's wrong, she will get an a or a b, but that's what she had been told to put due to lack of mocks.
How is this helpful? As far as I see it's just punishment, and poor dd who had been in a state of massive turmoil with the arrest just the day before..... and yet she still went into school the next day.
I am furious.

The longer this guy takes to respond, the worse I am getting.

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TwentySecondsLeft · 17/03/2025 06:56

@123dontcomeatme

I’m really sorry you are going through this. This is shocking. I’m going through a terrible situation with my DS where the school are clearly failing him, and getting similar - no responses to emails, defensive and horribly uncaring attitude.

My current plan is to write to the Director of Children’s Services. There will also be a raising a concern/complaint procedure on your school website.
Its hugely emotionally draining and unjust, but when a school HAS actually done something wrong, the barriers that go
up are shocking.

MillersAngle · 17/03/2025 06:56

PurBal · 17/03/2025 05:56

I should think they’re worried OP. They know they’ve fucked up and will want to take advice from outside agencies. Sorry you’re going through this.

I agree with this and also he probably could not get in contact with the teachers involved but nonetheless he should have sent you an email after saying he would. Their behaviour is as bad as I have heard in any schools handling of a very serious incident. It is that bad.

IButtleSir · 17/03/2025 06:53

I'm so sorry for the horrendous situation you and your daughter are in, and how the school is making it so much worse. I would threaten to report them to Ofsted (and seriously consider doing it).

You sound like a wonderful mum who is doing her absolute best to support and protect her daughter.

ThreeLocusts · 17/03/2025 06:52

OP I'm so sorry. And I'm impressed that you manage to keep going. Hope you get something approaching a decent response today.

It sounds like you both really need a break. Can you have one without getting away? Not to add to your list of things to fret about, but I tink you should have no compunctions about getting yourself signed off sick, for instance. I'd be crying in a corner in your shoes.

Hercisback1 · 17/03/2025 06:40

The head of sixth, and DSL are totally in the wrong. You're right to complain about them and expect answers. They're fully aware and doing nothing.

123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 06:34

I also expect the maths teacher knew nothing.

But- there are trails of emails of me begging for help and support and saying how much dd is struggling. To both the safeguarding and head of sixth.

Why didn't they offer a meeting or do something internally that gave dd more support?
The only focus was the mocks and her bouncing back.

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Mummyoflittledragon · 17/03/2025 06:31

I am so sorry your dd and you haven’t been supported by the school. I hope you get through today ok and that your dd has a better day. Hopefully you will get a decent response today.

Hercisback1 · 17/03/2025 06:31

Wow OP I am so sorry.

You're doing all the right things. I guess the principal is going to have a conversation with the individuals who spoke to you/sent the emails today, and then feed back.

In slight defence of the maths teacher, it might be that they are completely unaware of what's happened. Schools don't tend to share information like that anymore between teachers, to protect the child from being treated differently. We might get an email saying your DD had a traumatic experience and needs support so please don't ask. However judging by the teachers response, it's very likely they knew nothing.

Thr rest of the handling of the situation is an utter shit show and I hope you get some answers soon.

123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 06:21

We reported the family harassment with evidence , via email to the investigating officer. Dd told her ivsa too who said she was concerned and would raise it with the officer herself.

Perhaps we are naive because we expected a response within a day or 2. Currently day 6 and heard nothing.

It really feels like we are just screaming into the void and no one is listening or cares.

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123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 06:11

If they wanted advice he should have sent me another email saying he's reflected and will respond fully tomorrow... after insisting that he would respond yesterday and then not.

Seriously though, this thread is keeping me going, just. I'd be stuck without it. Thank you. Thank you for the poster with the letter! I can take bits out of that, especially the cast iron bit!

Dd can't resist this year, it's either do the exams or totally drop out. She has apprenticeship offers that she's worked so hard on. She wants to do this and I believe together we can make it ok, she just needs support and no one piling pressure on.

I can't afford any private anything, long time single parent. I don't have contact with my family and we haven't told anyone. Its just me.
I'm doing my best for her but it feels like it's not enough.

Ive been awake most of the night again, today is going to be hard. I've got a very busy day at work and dd has school, her ivsa and then work. Really I'd like to just run away with her for a few days and hide but I don't have the funds and it feels like there is no slack at all.

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DaNightCreeper · 17/03/2025 06:03

ginnybag · 14/03/2025 07:44

I'm sorry but they seriously said she should 'bounce back quicker' from being raped?

That's absolutely horrifying.

It's so far past not okay that its in another country. The resilience comment, too. No-one, much less a teenage girl, should be expected to have 'resilience' around being raped.

I completely appreciate you're exhausted but that needs a complaint to the SLT immediately, not least because it strongly suggests they aren't going to be anywhere close to the right environment for her right now.

Best wishes to you and your daughter.

This, 100%.

That person should not be in that role. She was raped. Jesus !

Please tell me the police are across the harassment you are getting from the rapists family OP.

PurBal · 17/03/2025 05:56

123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 02:11

No response was received .

Baffling. And makes me more angry.

I should think they’re worried OP. They know they’ve fucked up and will want to take advice from outside agencies. Sorry you’re going through this.

ThisFluentBiscuit · 17/03/2025 05:56

OK, I'm mad enough on your and your DDs behalf, and on behalf of all victims of SA who are not taken seriously, to have drafted the exact email that I would send in your shoes. About the aggravating factors I mention, I'm sure there were some, and you have to make them take this seriously, since they seem to have no clue or care whatsoever. Re. Major Crimes unit, rape as well as murder comes under that unit.

Dear School Fuckers,

I am contacting you in reference to my daughter X's current situation.

You are all aware that she is currently not herself, and why. For anyone reading who is not aware, X was raped earlier this month. As you know, there has recently been an arrest and the police are pursuing the case. It will likely go to trial and result in a lengthy prison sentence if the perpetrator is convicted due to aggravating factors which I cannot disclose, both for the sake of my daughter's privacy and because such evidence is part of the case and therefore not public knowledge at this time.

I am writing today because I'm overwhelmed with disgust at the school's treatment of my daughter after this terrible incident. A said to me yesterday that she "needs to learn resilience" and "bounce back quicker." As if this isn't shocking enough, B said that doing her mocks will "help her."

You are brushing off the effects of an attack that's serious enough to be under the remit of the Major Crimes unit along with murder. In addition, you propose to expose the victim to yet more stress in the form of mocks. The idea of my daughter in your hands at this time makes me shudder. You have a duty of care to the children whose trust is placed in you, and for adults to treat this vicious attack as if she needs to pick up her jolly hockey stick and be a good sport makes me sick. You are not fit to care for her in her current state.

The pressure you are putting on someone whose mental state is already precarious due to having her life recently torn apart by a serious crime is nothing short of abusive. Please don't bother me with your safeguarding nonsense. She does need safeguarding - from this school, because you clearly haven't given a second's thought to what she went through and seem to care not one jot that what happened to her is life-changing and will haunt her forever.

We will be visiting her GP and they will advise on what's best for her for the rest of the school year, due to her current suffering and resultant mental-health status.

In the meantime, please refrain from placing a vulnerable child under yet more unnecessary pressure.

We will be in touch when we have decided the best way for X to move forward.

Yours sincerely,

A Mumsnetter who'd like to smack you all over the head with some cast-iron Le Creuset

ThisFluentBiscuit · 17/03/2025 05:23

I'm so sorry that your daughter is going through this.

I'm wondering if it might be worth considering her taking the rest of the school year off and starting her final A-level year again in September? She has been a victim of a serious crime, a crime that's punishable by many years in jail. I would point that out to the school. I don't think that mocks and revision and school attendance should be expected of her at this time. If she'd been severely beaten up they wouldn't expect this, but just because she hasn't been, doesn't mean that her psyche hasn't been grievously injured. I am absolutely appalled at the school's response. EVERYONE knows that rape is the worst crime that can happen to a girl or woman, except being murdered. I would be steaming mad at their dismissal of her suffering and the terrible, terrible crime she has suffered, one which will haunt her forever.

I have no idea about your financial situation, but can you afford private school for her for one year?

Regardless, I bet your GP would sign her off for the remainder of the school year.

Sending love to you both xxx The world just isn't fair.

atmywitsend1989 · 17/03/2025 04:18

Omfg. That's unacceptable, I'm sorry.

My daughter (though a few yrs younger than yours..) was also raped and her attendance suffered. Her school showed concern and wanted to support her but I would absolutely flip if they said something like that. I'm appalled reading this.

Croissantcup · 17/03/2025 03:12

I’m sorry that your DD is going through and for you having to deal with this utter crap from the school.

Just on a practical note - look for the school of trusts complaints policy. and make an official complaint.
As PP have said contact the exams officer regarding special consideration - they only apply for this after the exam but keep all your documents. She can also ask for rest breaks which don’t need assessment if she’s getting overwhelmed. And separate room or home exams.

What kind of school is this? Sunday revision? DSL with frankly disgusting response and headteacher just not responding appropriately!

Be strong as you are and just tell the school NO.

Oopsps · 17/03/2025 03:05

I am so sorry for your daughter’s trauma.

You’ve had comments from people saying she should not worry about school. I think the most important thing is what does your daughter want. She’s had control / choice over her own body violently taken away from her - it’s so important now she has a choice in how she approaches school. She’s worked hard for almost 2 years - her letting her grades drop has to be something she thinks is the best thing for her, or the man who raped her will have taken that choice away from her too.

If she is going to uni, with her permission maybe speak to their Sen department - they could drop their grade offers for her if they wanted to.

You sound like a wonderful mother and your daughter sounds so strong. Sending you both strength and resilience may healing begin.

123dontcomeatme · 17/03/2025 02:11

No response was received .

Baffling. And makes me more angry.

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Mielikki · 16/03/2025 20:47

FumingTRex · 14/03/2025 10:36

I’m so sorry to read this, you are absolutely right here, you have your priorities in the right order.

People in these safeguarding/attendance roles are often low paid and not very qualified, I would bet this person has had no experience or training of dealing with a situation like this, and has just accepted the idea that school attendance is more important than anything else in the world.

You don’t need experience or training to know that saying a rape victim is lacking in resilience is wrong. You just need to be a basic, functioning human being.

The DSL should never work in safeguarding or with young people again.

123dontcomeatme · 16/03/2025 20:35

I did say to him i didn't expect a response on a Sunday, Monday was fine. He replied instantly and said he would come back to me today with a response, plan on how to deal with this and to show reassurance that he is taking this very seriously.

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Luckypoppy · 16/03/2025 20:09

Playing devils advocate, he probably wants to catch up with the staff you have already communicated with to see exactly what is going on. Obviously they aren’t working over the weekend. Hopefully he will have a much better response to you on Monday.

Sadly, I’ve dealt with a few similar incidents and am equally horrified at their response to you.

Pleaae take care and remember to breathe when you need to.

123dontcomeatme · 16/03/2025 19:29

I'm trying to be patient, but i haven't had the response I was promised earlier today. Unless of course he sends something over later this evening.

I feel like i should let him respond, see what he says and puts in place, but actually I feel like dd should have a support plan around her, working with her, not me having to fire off cross emails as we are both fighting to he heard. I should not have to feel i need to explain to the safeguarding lead that actually it's about more than resilience and that even i struggled this week with the arrest! Why am I having to lay myself bare to try to get someone in her position to have any understanding..

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