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Would you resent me if I was your employee or colleague ?

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Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:03

DC is seriously ill and inpatient in hospital. Expected to be in for several months. I have been asked by the hospital to be on side to help with various aspects of their care. In theory, I could take my notebook in and work from the ward (and do some catch up at night from home) but I am not coping. I am falling apart and not coping with anything. Would I be unreasonable to take sick leave? We get 6 months on full pay. I have been with my employer for over a decade and only was once off sick for a month (after major surgery). It would mean my colleague's holiday will have to be cancelled and I would let a lot of people down in my department and I feel hugely guilty about that. But I don't know what else to do. I know the decent thing would be to resign but I need the sick pay to cover bills. Please be honest.

yabu - suck it up and carry on working or resign.
yanbu - get signed off

OP posts:
BeHere · 14/03/2025 09:19

SalfordQuays · 14/03/2025 09:18

Well in that case, as the colleague left to work non stop without a single day off for an unspecified number of months, I would resign. In fact, I have done this. I used to cover someone who was suffering from stress. She went off sick for a prolonged period of time, and just at the point when we thought she was about to return, she handed in a sick note for another 6 weeks. I’d had enough so I quit.

Yes, that is a realistic possibility, and will be for the company to manage if so. If it's caused by their own employment policies, it'll serve them right.

Kattuccino · 14/03/2025 09:19

@Jimisnotmyname could you arrange for your DH to take annual leave when your colleague is away? He could then stay at the hospital, enabling you to go in to work for those days.

It's not ideal but might make you feel less guilty/stressed about it.

You definitely should get signed off.

rookiemere · 14/03/2025 09:18

nightmarepickle2025 · 14/03/2025 09:11

I'd rather be the one to cancel my holiday than the one with a child in hospital and would totally understand.

That's easy to say but what if it's a foreign holiday costing several thousand pounds, no travel agent or insurance will refund you for cancelling a holiday because your work cancelled your leave at short notice. Even a UK cottage easily costs around £1000 a week.

I am very understanding of my colleagues but not at vast personal expense.

SalfordQuays · 14/03/2025 09:18

BeHere · 14/03/2025 09:15

Depending on how sick leave works at OPs place, that might not be a great idea. Some employers use a formula where you get penalised more for multiple shorter episodes of sickness than for one longer one.

Additionally, there's nothing to indicate that OP actually would be fit to work at that point. The symptoms you describe won't necessarily be alleviated by her DH going to the hospital whilst she works and does everything on the home front.

Well in that case, as the colleague left to work non stop without a single day off for an unspecified number of months, I would resign. In fact, I have done this. I used to cover someone who was suffering from stress. She went off sick for a prolonged period of time, and just at the point when we thought she was about to return, she handed in a sick note for another 6 weeks. I’d had enough so I quit.

hopesforsummer · 14/03/2025 09:17

nightmarepickle2025 · 14/03/2025 09:11

I'd rather be the one to cancel my holiday than the one with a child in hospital and would totally understand.

That doesn’t mean you wouldn’t resent your employer and probably be looking for a new job

Marchitectmummy · 14/03/2025 09:17

Ita going to be at the discretion of your company. As a business owner myself I would be expecting the care to be shared between yourself and your husband. Your reasons for your husband not sharing the load are not acceptable reasons for a company: he can't work remotely well neither are you suggesting to do this when you are asking for sick leave. Him being the breadwinner? Also not an adequate reason.

I'm not being unkind, I have 5 daughters myself but as a business I would be not be happy for no effort for this leave to be shared. It sounds like you are a part time worker too so have time to care for your child outside of the time I pay for your outputs.

Honesty, I would happily provide some time off if I had the idea you were sharing the burden. If I felt you wasn't I would be speaking to my HR team to what can be done within the law to reduce my burden.

Itsnotallaboutyoulikeyouthink · 14/03/2025 09:17

Have you spoken to your employer because when my husband was terminal I literally left work on the day he got sick and then didn’t return until three months after he’s died. So 6 months off in total and on full pay. Talk to them they may surprise you if you have been there for such a long time.

AlertCat · 14/03/2025 09:16

0ohLarLar · 14/03/2025 08:45

she’s clearly suffering with a reactive mental health issue.

Im very sympathetic to op and there should be financial support in situations like this, but I don't get this. "Reactive mental health issue"? Op is having quite a normal emotional response to a traumatic situation. How is that a mental health condition that is defined as "illness". Its completely situational and its very normal to react to a bad situation. Isn't the whole point of things like severe stress or clinical depression that you are experiencing them without reasonable cause - thus why they are a medical anomaly? Otherwise you would end up medicalising the normal range of emotions. Life is often hard, if we classify it as MH/illness every time we're miserable about a crappy situation no one would ever be in work

No. Severe stress is usually caused by severely stressful situations- whether linked to work or personal life is irrelevant. Depression can be temporary but it can also be long term and it can be triggered by bereavement. You don’t seem to have any real understanding of the interaction between mental health and physical health, nor about the very real effects of stress, anxiety, and depression on the brain and therefore on behaviour and ability to cope and function normally. These conditions aren’t medical anomalies, they are conditions with symptoms. they can respond to treatment like reducing stress, limiting demand, sometimes medicines, but other things too like art and yoga. If the symptoms are severe, as in the OP’s case, it’s entirely appropriate to sign the person off sick so that they can take the measures they need to in order to get well again.

You can't wave a magic wand and opt out of the ill effects on your own mental health.

This.

charmanderflame · 14/03/2025 09:16

Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:15

I am not sleeping, not eating. I lost half a stone, I am on edge. I wouldn't say I am fine. People go off with stress for far less but thank you. I worry about what people think and this is probably the perception at work. It's not what I wanted to hear but helpful.

OP, it really doesn't matter what the 'perception at work' is. It's neither here nor there.

You know what is going on for you and you know how you feel.

You know you cannot currently work.

Your DC is in hospital.

You don't have to give a flying fuck about anyone else right now.

TunnocksOrDeath · 14/03/2025 09:16

As a colleague I would totally understand, and not be annoyed with you personally for taking time out. BUT I would expect management to let me have the holiday I’d already booked and paid for, so I would be massively pissed off if MANAGEMENT made me cancel, because DH would have booked time off, and HIS colleagues would have arranged cover, and both sets of grandparents would have arranged their Summer around our holiday dates to provide childcare when we’re working.., and so on.

user1471522343 · 14/03/2025 09:15

ForTealBee · 14/03/2025 07:34

Realistically as someone without children, if I was told I had to cancel my holiday I’d be very angry.

your anger would be misdirected then.

if you had to cancel because of the absence of 1 colleague it would be your employers fault for failing to ensure they have adequate resilience within their workforce in the first place to cope with such an eventuality, and again their fault if they fail to arrange cover when it does happen.

its not her fault that her child is seriously ill.

SemperIdem · 14/03/2025 09:15

@AuntieDen

If you are really an employer, I would suggest you familiarise yourself with employment law and employee rights.

It is not “gaming the system” to take sick leave, when you are in fact, not fit to work.

Flubadubba · 14/03/2025 09:15

As both a manager and colleague I would be steering you towards sick leave. If you wouldn't take it (and especially if you were valuable.to the team and company), I would be looking into ways to help you like consulting with OH, reducing responsibilities temporarily, flexible working hours, flexible working locations etc. All of these would be dependant on variables including your role, what HR advise, and the company itself.

I know this because I have done this in a similar situation as a manager.

SalfordQuays · 14/03/2025 09:15

nightmarepickle2025 · 14/03/2025 09:11

I'd rather be the one to cancel my holiday than the one with a child in hospital and would totally understand.

@nightmarepickle2025 that’s very generous of you, and of course none of us would choose to swap with OP. But if I had to cancel my holiday, lose money, upset my children, and grind myself into the ground by not having a break for several months - while knowing that OP’s husband could take time off sick but chooses not to - I’d be very cross and upset, and I would probably resign.

BeHere · 14/03/2025 09:15

SalfordQuays · 14/03/2025 09:06

@Jimisnotmyname why can’t your DH take time of sick when your colleague is due to be on holiday? The way you were posting I assumed you must be a single parent. Why is it only ever the Mum who takes time off sick from work?

Depending on how sick leave works at OPs place, that might not be a great idea. Some employers use a formula where you get penalised more for multiple shorter episodes of sickness than for one longer one.

Additionally, there's nothing to indicate that OP actually would be fit to work at that point. The symptoms you describe won't necessarily be alleviated by her DH going to the hospital whilst she works and does everything on the home front.

Bellyblueboy · 14/03/2025 09:14

I am so sorry you are going through this. Take the time you need.

there is a serious issue in work if your colleagues holiday has to be cancelled - they should be able to manage this while still allowing other employees to have a life outside work.

but, to be blunt. That is their issue not yours. Focus on your family.

Throwitback · 14/03/2025 09:14

I wouldn’t be angry at you, or think you’re taking advantage. Your child is literally living in hospital, I would have a lot of empathy for that and the stress of this certainly warrants sick leave, in my opinion.

It’s up to management to sort holidays, cover, etc.

Redflagsabounded · 14/03/2025 09:13

Very sympathetic to you OP. I had a child in hospital long term and it's hell. I was signed off with stress for a couple of weeks. So I get it.

However...
A lot of this sounds like the pressure of providing basic care to your child. This is not acceptable. The hospital may ask you to help out, but if you can't, you can't, and they will take over. They really will.

It did wonders for my own health to go back to work, normal routine, normal activities and visit my child every evening.

Also, working in HR, from employers point of view

  • it pisses us no end that it's always mums who have time off for family emergencies, and the reason is always because the dad's job, and therefore employer, is just so much more important. It's really a crappy attitude towards us - we take the whole financial and operational hit, extra work and stress on colleagues and manager, reduction in productivity/service (and in your case a colleague having to cancel a holiday) because the are married to Mr Big Bollox. A few days, okay, but for extended periods we start asking why both parents aren't doing their bit so we aren't the only employer taking the hit, and it makes us lose a lot of sympathy if it continues. Has your husband even thought about it?
  • be mindful that an extended sickness absence will probably trigger the absence management process.

In your shoes I'd be kicking up a massive fuss about why the ward is unable to provide basic care. Complain formally.

Daisymae23 · 14/03/2025 09:12

Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:41

I do understand that and that is one of my worries. I job share with someone in a small and highly specialised role. We are never allowed off at the same time and in many years, this was never an issue. This is a first. They couldn't get someone from an agency in as in house training takes too long.

A employer who relies solely on two people for such a role should have a risk assessment in place to account for this exact type of scenario.

RosesAndHellebores · 14/03/2025 09:11

As an HR Director I would fully suppprt a period of sick leave during this period. If the organisation has to cancel your colleagues annual leave and it is paid for, they should reimburse. Practically, they will probably find an operationally sustainable workaround.

My very best wishes for yiur dd's recovery and your wellbeing.

nightmarepickle2025 · 14/03/2025 09:11

I'd rather be the one to cancel my holiday than the one with a child in hospital and would totally understand.

OhHellolittleone · 14/03/2025 09:11

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 14/03/2025 07:39

Indeed. I can’t believe how dishonest people are being.

It’s not dishonest to say that having a seriously ill child is affecting you to the point of being ill. You have 2 things to do - child and job - doing both is making you exhausted and unwell. The job is the only one of these two things you can pause in order to make you feel well enough to function for your child.

Strictlymad · 14/03/2025 09:10

for me it’s not even a question, family comes first and a good employer will appreciate that and facilitate. And colleagues should be understanding. I speak as a parent whose child has been seriously ill in hospital multiple times. You child needs you to be there (as do the very stretched nurses). When my ds was in Icu dh was on full pay compassionate for weeks and then allowed to remote/token gesture for as long as needed (I was on maternity that occasion). Don’t feel bad one shred- look after yourself and your family or you won’t be any fit state to work in the future!

Pandersmum · 14/03/2025 09:10

OP says her husband cannot take time to share the care of their shared child because he cannot WFH. Nobody was suggesting the someone can WFH and do the required hospital cover. I am such that he is just as stressed at the situation as she is and if the OP could get a fit note for stress, so could her husband in 4 weeks time.

In my small business I make sure that my male employees do share the care for their childrens illness / middle of the day nursery illness pick-ups etc precisely because I want women to be taken seriously in the workplace and that both parents have responsibility to look after their child. Not just the women.
We pay discretionary sick pay, and if employees are honest, they are fully supported.

I also know (from personal experience) that it is really difficult when a child is very ill and honestly with the employer in this situation would be my advice. You are clearly stressed and would easily get a fit note to support you in continuing to be paid, if necessary for the next 6 months. If your husband doesn’t get paid sick pay, then I can understand why you are proposing to do all the care.
As others have said, you do not need financial worries at this time to add to everything else.

I hope your child gets the bed they need soon.

LadyLapsang · 14/03/2025 09:09

The people I know with long successful jobshares who have been promoted together to senior roles all appear to have very open and honest relationships with each other. If you value your work and your Jobshare partner, I think you need a very honest discussion, otherwise there is a danger they will move on to a new role and you will be left without a sustainable career.