To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

So we should employ people so that they can spend the money we give them? Is that the basis for your argument? If so that’s a rubbish argument. The taxpayer would still be better off if these public servants were made redundant and found alternative work doing something productive.

Your questions show the gap between public and private sector.

Hmm. Except that depends on how you assess what makes a top or bottom performer - the global recession, after all, wasn’t caused by people their investment bank employers had been judging to be poor performers, and it wasn’t the people who caused it who suffered the worst consequences.

@BooomShakeTheRoom No. Everyone is quartiled every year, and as PP said, the bottom 5-10% of staff are cut every year, on an ongoing basis. There were also large scale redundancies from 2007-2017.

They are run extremely lean and efficiently now. Every single process is measured and assessed constantly.

OP’s AIBU was not is it a shame for the people involved; of course it always is. They were making the point that everyone would be affected by this, which they will not.

The idea that the reduction in disposable cash of 10,000 civil servants, spread all over the UK may somehow result in the downfall of a Tier 1 US Investment Bank did make me laugh on my journey home though.

I worked for a local authority for a short while. It was absolutely appalling to see the inefficiency.

I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

I’ve at no point said that I worked in the Civil Service, I said I worked in the public sector. It is all exactly the same though.

I work on a daily basis with Homes England, DEFRA and the Department for Communities and they are exactly the same level of waste and incompetence, just on a much bigger scale.

None of which has anything to do with the civil service, as you clearly work for local government, so are not a civil servant.

I worked briefly in the public sector and as a paid up leftie it killed me how inefficient and bloated it was.

I so wanted the rhetoric to be untrue but it’s not.

It's a huge experiment. His approval ratings remain good though.

There is talk now in the USA of deliberately creating a recession for similar reasons.

Let's see...

Elon Musk is a risk taker. His risks pay off. I don't like him much and I don't like what he's doing but on the other hand, I can see that government debts are out of hand and going to sum zero. So far, no one found a solution. We do need some kind of action - we can't go on like this forever.

The pied piper must be paid.

NHS England staff are not civil servants.

It doesn't look as if Musk's DOGE efforts will cut the massive US deficit though.
I think it's unlikely in the UK too.
Let's see.

Wow OP I don't think I've ever come across such an entitled and misinformed series of posts on MN.

You do realise that civil servants are paid out the tax receipts from CORPORATE WORKERS - ie, companies that actually SELL a product or service for a PROFIT.

The Civil Service generates nothing. Nada. Zilch. It COSTS the tax payer MONEY to run each and every year. It is FULL to the BRIM of WASTRELS and waste-generating pointless activities and many on here agree with this sentiment.

I can only assume you've been sleeping under a rock for the past couple of months because DOGE run by Elon Musk in the USA - someone who generates a profit, who has been the most profitable man on this earth and pays a vast amount of tax and which pays for the civil service in the USA and enables the US government to run, has been following Milie's waste cutting example from Argentina.

You really should read up about Xavier Milie because it's quite the education in small government and reducing the budget deficit to the point that Argentina which has been a basket case of an economy (remember it going bankrupt and needing to be saved by the IMF? Thought not), for around 3 decades has finally produced a SURPLUS for the first time in many years.

This is nothing short of miracle and has been noted by ALL western government around the world. Love or loathe Milie and Musk, but this is what is coming and do you know why???

Why??

Because the USA is $37 TRILLION IN DEBT.

The UK is £3 TRILLION in debt.

If you don't end the gravy train at some point, there will be no more trains and certainly no more gravy. Ever. In fact there won't even be enough food to feed the little piggies and they will become weak and possibly perish. Goodbye capitalism, goodbye everything we've ever known. Hello gruesome country-wide poverty aka a bankrupt country.

That's what western economies are facing. Going BUST like Argentina.

Do you know what we pay every month in interest on our debt in the UK?

£100 billion each MONTH. This is unsustainable. Our interest bill is going up and up and up to the point that it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle of suicidal debt.

So the idea of a small state, a civil service reduced by 50%, yes 50% very much appeals to politicians because they'd like life to continue on as we know it and not plunge us into catastrophic financial crisis.

And those 10,000 people can go and find work in jobs that actually produce a PROFIT and pay some TAXES, which could go some way to paying our debts that we have accumulated through too many hand outs and too large a state, ie, too many civil servants doing not very much at all.

No a rising tide should not lift all boats, freeloading boats that don't contribute anything should be cut loose because they risk sinking the whole damned fleet.

Wow OP I don't think I've ever come across such an entitled and misinformed series of posts on MN.

You do realise that civil servants are paid out the tax receipts from CORPORATE WORKERS - ie, companies that actually SELL a product or service for a PROFIT.

The Civil Service generates nothing. Nada. Zilch. It COSTS the tax payer MONEY to run each and every year. It is FULL to the BRIM of WASTRELS and waste-generating pointless activities and many on here agree with this sentiment.

I can only assume you've been sleeping under a rock for the past couple of months because DOGE run by Elon Musk in the USA - someone who generates a profit, who has been the most profitable man on this earth and pays a vast amount of tax and which pays for the civil service in the USA and enables the US government to run, has been following Milie's waste cutting example from Argentina.

You really should read up about Xavier Milie because it's quite the education in small government and reducing the budget deficit to the point that Argentina which has been a basket case of an economy (remember it going bankrupt and needing to be saved by the IMF? Thought not), for around 3 decades has finally produced a SURPLUS for the first time in many years.

This is nothing short of miracle and has been noted by ALL western government around the world. Love or loathe Milie and Musk, but this is what is coming and do you know why???

Why??

Because the USA is $37 TRILLION IN DEBT.

The UK is £3 TRILLION in debt.

If you don't end the gravy train at some point, there will be no more trains and certainly no more gravy. Ever. In fact there won't even be enough food to feed the little piggies and they will become weak and possibly perish. Goodbye capitalism, goodbye everything we've ever known. Hello gruesome country-wide poverty aka a bankrupt country.

That's what western economies are facing. Going BUST like Argentina.

Do you know what we pay every month in interest on our debt in the UK?

£100 billion each MONTH. This is unsustainable. Our interest bill is going up and up and up to the point that it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle of suicidal debt.

So the idea of a small state, a civil service reduced by 50%, yes 50% very much appeals to politicians because they'd like life to continue on as we know it and not plunge us into catastrophic financial crisis.

And those 10,000 people can go and find work in jobs that actually produce a PROFIT and pay some TAXES, which could go some way to paying our debts that we have accumulated through too many hand outs and too large a state, ie, too many civil servants doing not very much at all.

No a rising tide should not lift all boats, freeloading boats that don't contribute anything should be cut loose because they risk sinking the whole damned fleet.