Page 14 | To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

Everythingisnumbersnow · 2025-03-13T16:24:47+00:00

I can't believe Labour is doing what they're doing

wizzywig · 13/03/2025 16:45

Would love to see that happening in prison and Probation Service. We can barely hold it together as it is.

DdraigGoch · 13/03/2025 16:45

LoveItaly · 13/03/2025 16:41

Great, I hope they are going to take a look at the huge numbers of Turkish barbers/vape shops etc popping up that seem to keep going despite having very few customers. I doubt it though.

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Could do with attracting some high-skilled tax lawyers/accountants to find ways to close the loopholes that allow many international firms to avoid so much tax on their UK operations.

Catza · 13/03/2025 16:44

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:29

And who pays your wages? And how will your wages be sustained as fewer and fewer people have money to spend?

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I pay my wages, you know... as a taxpayer. There are about 1.5 million NHS workers. 10k of civil servants are not paying our wages. Many of these people (assuming you refer to NHSE) will be absorbed into local trusts because someone still has to do these jobs somewhere. Not to mention that many of the employees have transferrable skills they can use elsewhere. It's terribly sad that people have to go through the stress of redundancies but let's not pretend that 10k people make monumental difference to wages and economy.

LoveItaly · 13/03/2025 16:41

GasPanic · 13/03/2025 16:31

I thought I read somewhere they are going to cut the civil service, while hiring 5000 new tax inspectors.

Great, I hope they are going to take a look at the huge numbers of Turkish barbers/vape shops etc popping up that seem to keep going despite having very few customers. I doubt it though.

DdraigGoch · 13/03/2025 16:41

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:36

The public sector and the private sector are mutually sustaining

A sudden hacking away of ten thousand workers (many in areas of especially low employment) is going to be catastrophic

It's like you people can't learn from the past

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If your argument was "cutting this role will result in poorer health outcomes" or similar then people might be sympathetic. But no, you appear to be in favour of running the economy like a Ponzi scheme, with more people being added to the pyramid for the sake of it.

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:39

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:37

And what will you do if you lose out in the next wave of redundancies? Desperately try to get a new job. Bonne chance.

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I’d get a new job. My skills are valued. I’d expect these public sector workers to get a new job too

Merryoldgoat · 13/03/2025 16:39

Dreamskies · 13/03/2025 16:29

I’m public sector and honestly, I can’t argue with that

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I worked briefly in the public sector and as a paid up leftie it killed me how inefficient and bloated it was.

I so wanted the rhetoric to be untrue but it’s not.

SydSprocket · 13/03/2025 16:39

According to The Times we've got 10,000 more civil servants compared to pre Covid times and no increase in productivity since then.
Get rid of them, we won't notice

Dayparties · 13/03/2025 16:38

keeping a bloated civil service just to stop people being unemployed isn’t great for people either. Redundancies suck for people going through them, but sometimes needs must.

Fluffyholeysocks · 13/03/2025 16:38

I work in the CS and agree it's bloated, wasteful and inefficient. Performance management is abysmal too.

Bailamosse · 13/03/2025 16:38

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:34

Your US employer isn't going to pay you miles above the typical UK wage for a job based in the UK

Why would they

An ebbing ride lowers all boats

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No, it will have no effect whatsoever.

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 13/03/2025 16:37

My husband is a civil servant, and he is baffled by the continual adding of staff to their department, when in his view, they could all just work a bit harder/more efficiently.

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:37

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:36

I’m a skilled worker. My skills have value which keeps my wage high

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You're not irreplaceable

You're on Mumsnet at 430 on a Thursday

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9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:37

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:36

The public sector and the private sector are mutually sustaining

A sudden hacking away of ten thousand workers (many in areas of especially low employment) is going to be catastrophic

It's like you people can't learn from the past

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I can see that maybe the workers in the sandwich shop by the headquarters might be bothered, but not anyone else.

caringcarer · 13/03/2025 16:37

The thing is OP Boris agreed to CS taking on many thousands more during the pandemic. We probably needed them then, but we are out of the pandemic now and we don't need so many CS. Also Starmer said a lot of the ones who will be going were replicating work that others in different departments were doing. No point paying people to replicate work. Starmer is correct to show courage and chop the unnecessary staff. I agree it's likely we are going into recession. Many businesses are shedding staff ATM. RR putting up NIC on staff and setting base at which employers start to pay at £5k made it worse along with quite a big jump in the NMW.

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:37

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:35

Me neither. Financial services worker here too.

I have worked in the public sector and the amount of people employed to do not a lot as their employer can’t be bothered making them redundant is staggering.

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And what will you do if you lose out in the next wave of redundancies? Desperately try to get a new job. Bonne chance.

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9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:36

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:34

Your US employer isn't going to pay you miles above the typical UK wage for a job based in the UK

Why would they

An ebbing ride lowers all boats

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I’m a skilled worker. My skills have value which keeps my wage high

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:36

DdraigGoch · 13/03/2025 16:35

The purpose of employing public sector workers is not to keep consumerism going.

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The public sector and the private sector are mutually sustaining

A sudden hacking away of ten thousand workers (many in areas of especially low employment) is going to be catastrophic

It's like you people can't learn from the past

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ByMerryKoala · 13/03/2025 16:35

Well they can't very well decimate disability payments without demonstrating willingness to cut some of the state back.

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:35

Bailamosse · 13/03/2025 16:32

Civil servants being made redundant will have absolutely no effect on my US employer. Which was your original question, no it won’t affect all of us.

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Me neither. Financial services worker here too.

I have worked in the public sector and the amount of people employed to do not a lot as their employer can’t be bothered making them redundant is staggering.

DdraigGoch · 13/03/2025 16:35

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:28

How is putting 10k people out of work, significantly cutting their ability to act as consumers for the private sector which in turn will reduce tax receipts and private sector employment, when the jobs market is on the floor, going to hurt everyone?

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The purpose of employing public sector workers is not to keep consumerism going.

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:34

Bailamosse · 13/03/2025 16:32

Civil servants being made redundant will have absolutely no effect on my US employer. Which was your original question, no it won’t affect all of us.

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Your US employer isn't going to pay you miles above the typical UK wage for a job based in the UK

Why would they

An ebbing ride lowers all boats

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Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:33

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:32

So we should employ people so that they can spend the money we give them? Is that the basis for your argument? If so that’s a rubbish argument. The taxpayer would still be better off if these public servants were made redundant and found alternative work doing something productive.

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The taxpayer is not better off if she has no income to tax

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Bailamosse · 13/03/2025 16:32

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:31

This is pretty ignorant

At best with more and more people out of work you're less in demand and that means you command a lot less pay

At worse the businesses that your company invests in fold and your company decamps elsewhere

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Civil servants being made redundant will have absolutely no effect on my US employer. Which was your original question, no it won’t affect all of us.

9fthighfence · 13/03/2025 16:32

Everythingisnumbersnow · 13/03/2025 16:28

How is putting 10k people out of work, significantly cutting their ability to act as consumers for the private sector which in turn will reduce tax receipts and private sector employment, when the jobs market is on the floor, going to hurt everyone?

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So we should employ people so that they can spend the money we give them? Is that the basis for your argument? If so that’s a rubbish argument. The taxpayer would still be better off if these public servants were made redundant and found alternative work doing something productive.