To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

Interesting. HMRC has no real idea about how big businesses’ global operations really work, because they are all far too complicated and expensive to delve into, thus enabling massive tax avoidance. There is no point pretending it’s true that cash in hand is a bigger problem and loses the economy more money than vastly wealthy global businesses paying experts to help avoid paying tax anywhere in the world and having direct dial lines to HMRC and politicians to discuss what they are willing to contribute. Why not just be honest, like Trump - the bigger and more powerful you are, the bigger the bully you can be and the more likely it is that you can ensure legislation is favourable to your business’s interests - and that it’s only the little people hose corruption is simple enough and on a small enough scale to get caught out.

"The estimated number of vacancies was 812,000 in the UK in October to December 2024"

If the government wants it can reduce the amount of work the civil service has to do and therefore the number of staff needed. It can start with some of the diversity roles that have become all about the trans. It can also stop paying Stonewall £618,757 and who knows how much to other similar organisations.

Stop telling children there is something wrong with their healthy bodies and the NHS will also save a lot on treating the side effects of unnecessary surgery and drugs.

It's like you people can't learn from the past

oh, and it was going so well

With all respect OP, I can understand that you’re pissed off if your job is at risk, but you haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.

Care worker? Work in a bar? The state shouldn’t pay people to do nothing just because. This premise reminds me of a novel called The Scheme for Full Employment where the state employed people to drive empty vans around just to give people a job. Madness.

No idea, but redundancies in the private sector don’t get weighed up with - oh is there any other roles very close by for staff? No - then we should hold off and keep them on

It shouldn’t be any different for the public sector.

Depends what the unions will allow and at what cost to the public..

10k is a tiny number the scheme of things and by definition they're not spending more in the private sector, nor paying more tax than they're currently costing the tax payer.

Obviously it's really tough for the individuals but your arguments really don't justify keeping loads of unnecessary people employed from the public purse. If they're needed , those jobs will just move anyway.

I'm public sector and agree with all this, especially about performance management.

What can do they do instead? Are 10000 jobs currently vacant in the right part of the country at the right level?

Yes, that too!

Well, they'll get other well-paid jobs if they are any good at their jobs - there are thousands of well-paid public sector and NHS non-clinical roles currently advertised.

Worst case scenario, none of them get a new job. We save £30-40k on their wages, and pay around £20k in benefits - the country is still better off.

Who will pay for those people to be unemployed?

In good years yes. But in bad years they quite understandably give zero. Nothing. Which makes the ‘oh but we need a real terms pay rise’ from the public sector sound a little entitled.

Good. Small and medium sized businesses account for a VAST amount of evasion. Way more than the wealthy or large companies. It’s all those tradies taking cash.

I thought it was the private sector that was leading the way in pay rises?

The private sector is going to be absolutely decimated by Reeves NI increases come April, far more than 10,000 jobs will be lost. So for most of the private sector, 10,000 jobs, whilst obviously devastating for those impacted personally, is fairly 'business as usual'. I was at HSBC when they made 20,000 redundant in 2015 - nobody was overly bothered about that at the time.

Not enough public sector / 3rd sector people get made redundant often enough though. It would bring in some financial realism.

My sister works in a university and all unis are in dire financial straights, yet there is endless bleating about needing a big pay rise. Join the real world guys! The university of Dundee just announced redundancies of 20% of headcount. I wonder how many of these jobs could have been saved if the Uni had done what many Financial service firms do when times are tough and give zero pay rise whatsoever.

All the bureaucratic work that used to be outsourced to Brussels, but which Brexiteers bizarrely thought would disappear rather than increase in amount when more trade barriers were introduced?

I left the CS a year ago after almost 10 years. My department expanded rapidly for Brexit and then these staff continued on due to Covid. Just reducing back to 2016 levels would cut hundreds of jobs in that one place. What are all these staff, hired to deliver Brexit, doing now?

I heard it was going to be small business. But I doubt it will be those types and even if it is they will just shut up shop and disappear.

As a Chartered Tax Advisor have a sigh and an 🙄 for your ignorance.

Tons of folk get made redundant. Shit happens

Work 8-4. Private sector does have lots more redundancies though as they have to answer to their shareholders. It’s a shame the civil service doesn’t take such stewardship over public funds.

I mean if you shrink the private sector and make it unproductive - what did you think would happen. Anyone who voted Labour needs to own this and the welfare cuts. Spectacular own goal. Whilst being distracted by “taxing the rich” and “private schools” the people who pay the most tax have changed behaviour. Private companies are making redundancies and reducing jobs. It was obvious it would filter through to the state in jobs and welfare. Absolutely zero sympathy. If you trash the private sector and alienate the people who pay tax - you’ve no-one left to pay for state. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t a huge disaster. I’m here to see the people who called it scare tactics see the repercussions o those choices. Some might call it a told you so moment. Not so funny when the shoe is on the other foot.