To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

It’s clearly not fit and over Staffed, if up to 10,000 people’s roles aren’t essential or required. My private sector company restructures departments to make the business more cost effective (mostly looking ant where the departments double up work, as they buy businesses so duplicate roles etc) and the public sector should be no different. Have a continuous improvement and lean team come in see the processes what is excess etc

It’s not good news for young people who are NEETs - even more competition for them when so many are already failing to get a foothold in the job market in the first place. And why the Government made it more expensive to employ people with its ridiculous NI rises, heaven only knows - even when it then gives more funding to, eg, schools, large amounts are then eaten up in the increases in the cost of employing people.

Exactly, If they are going to cut superfluous jobs and hire more people to go out gathering tax and sorting out tax avoidance, they will get more revenue. I thought much of it was going to be through natural wastage and not replacing people. The people needed during COVID were clearly crap as they allowed every shady tom dick and Harry to defraud the government grants, and they are still in jobs. Many of the extra civil servants are also dealing with the fallout from Brexit, so yet another brilliant Brexit benefit. Hopefully some jobs can be saved by having a better relationship with Europe.

It willbe cheaper for the tax payer to fund people's unemployment payments rather than employ too many workers in Social Servieces earning much more.

I applaud them. What other job has not come under scrutiny and the potential to be made redundant. I was in 2009. Happy to be made so, as I had other plans away from that industry.

I'm currently having issues with HMRC, the inability to reply to many phone calls from my accountant and letters from me. I've had to get my mp involved. Hopefully, a kick up the backside will encourage people to actually do their jobs

Great news. Most of them will likely have been on long term sick anyway. They need to clear out those unelected, unaccountable civil servants who throw anything they don’t like into the long grass and obstruct politicians who try to effect real change at every turn.

I used to work for the DTI in years gone by, absolutely unbearable, full of inflexible activist ass hats whose main concern was whether they’d could use a microwave in the communal areas.

I hope we don’t see another Labour Government in future generations. Look how badly the last one with Blair and Brown ended!

Are you talking about the abolition of NHS England? That particular quango has only existed since the Lansley ‘reforms’ in 2012. I know someone who works in it and is shocked by the bloated bureaucracy and the entire departments which are pointlessly duplicated in NHSE & the Department of Health. NHSE’s budget is £180 billion. Much of this is an horrific waste of money which should be going into new scanners, more beds, repairing our crumbling hospitals and reducing waiting lists.

I’m in an ALB having come from the private sector and I have to agree that it’s desperately inefficient in many ways. But I’d suggest they start with procurement and IT before they start shedding staff, and they’d probably see a significant increase in efficiency. I’m using systems that were designed in the 00s and are no longer fit for purpose. It is incredibly frustrating. I would also say that it would help if parties could work together to create long-term policies that they agree on, rather than us starting one thing only for the next government to scrap it.

What's with all the doom and gloom about these people becoming unemployed anyway? I expect the vast majority are educated people with plenty of skills who will do what everyone does when made redundant and get another job. And those who aren't educated with plenty of skills shouldn't have been in the CS in the first place.

While I feel for the people who will lose their jobs on a personal level I think that getting rid of some CS is a good idea
I used to have a high level voluntary position in The NHS and the waste was shocking and management was most certainly bloated
Anything that will help there be more focus on patients can only be a good thing

You’re talking complete shite, op.

Can some of them retrain as driving examiners please, the waiting times are completely ridiculous.
I know you can't do it while showing off your doggo to your colleagues via zoom but it's an important public service and it's very broken ATM

You say that but people in Eastern European countries are paid the same as UK workers now, for remote jobs where there used to be a massive pay difference.

If there are jobs that are no longer needed then it is right to get rid of them.
I've worked in one in the past and my job (well my entire team) was made redundant. We were all qualified and skilled though so we took those skills and worked elsewhere.
I also once worked in a role where there was very little actual work to do. At first, it felt great, but eventually it started to erode my confidence and I felt like I was just useless. I left there and changed to a more productive job as doing nothing was really challenging.
If there isn't really the volume of work, then there's no need for the workers to be in the roles!

NHS England isn’t the civil service. Employees work for the NHS not the civil service. Those people talking about non jobs do you know anyone who works for NHS England? My close relative (won’t say more so as not to identify) has worked there for 9 years and their work is about patient experience and ensuring the patient voice is heard in the NHS. I suppose that’s a non job if we don’t want to check that patients are getting screwed over, certainly she lobbies hard for patients to be listened to. The roles are so varied and the people working there are often highly skilled. They could make much more money in the private sector (and many will now) but choose to work where they feel they can make a difference. But yeah let’s pile on the bureaucrats without knowing anything at all about them.

What I worry about is the immediate cost of all these changes, it might be cost effective long term but it’s going to cost a lot to actually implement all of this in the short term!

I think it's the first good decision he has made. The bloated NHS England that has allowed the entire service to be captured by campaign groups needs to go. We need some common sense back in the NHS and medics in charge!

I think most will probably go over to other jobs on TUPE. They won’t all be in the dole queue.

I agree with this. I've worked in the public sector and it was horribly disillusioning. The sheer number of people doing little /nothing, plodding along very very slowly and inefficiently and working on stuff that seemed to be completely pointless, was so depressing for someone who'd always believed in public service

There are so many people in the public sector who would lose their job very rapidly in the private sector (I've worked in both) due to just doing bugger all most of the time.

The benefits paid to them for being unemployed is less than the wages they're getting paid for doing a job that shouldn't exist in the first place. (Ex CS worker from DWP).

Want to cut the benefit bill? Half the number of staff running and make the remaining half actually work efficiently.

Exactly, because it’s big business which holds the cards, not because it’s fair. Ie the biggest and most powerful get to create the rules that suit themselves. And no point pretending that the way global businesses structure themselves and move money around is not complicated - “not complicated” would only ever happen in a world without greed, selfishness and competitiveness, all of which are incentives to move money around for the sole purpose of tax avoidance or other competitive advantage, not for simplicity and transparency.

@Everythingisnumbersnow - I have to disagree with you. I was a civil service for the majority of my adult life and there are a lot of people that are on the job that aren’t value for money. And I understand why the tax payer doesn’t want to fund that. It’s not fair on anyone. Civil service has to be a value for money situation especially because everyone is so squeezed right now.

In my team our intake of work increased substantially during the pandemic and its stayed at those high levels; in fact rising. Life post pandemic is very different.

I work for the civil service and there is a lot of waste and it needs to become more efficient and poor performance 100% needs managing better. But if people think AI can be integrated easily with the ancient IT then they are in for a shock. It will take years, and then the tech will have updated again by time its done