To wonder why civil service haters don't understand that cutting 10,000 jobs is going to hurt everyone

There were over 800,000 job vacancies in December in the UK. NHS England are shedding 10,000. While a bunch of jobs are being lost due to the ridiculous NI employment penalty for businesses, there will still be jobs for those wanting one.

Love the idea that the civil service headhunts university students, rather than that university students apply to work in the civil service. And, of course, university students need training, unless they have done a degree-apprenticeship. Still, they are comparatively cheap.

Hard agree on this. When you work in the public sector there’s usually 5 in 10 you could happily make redundant and 2 in 10 who’s wages ought to be doubled.

I was always impressed by him when I heard him talk.

That is EXACTLY the issue. One of the worst taxes to rise but they had promised not to raise any others so they were stuck. Not good.

I have a £70k job in the PS. No one seems to know or care what I do, which is precious little. Even when I've admitted that, there's no attempt to redeploy me or move me on.

I'm taking early retirement mostly because I can't stand twiddling my thumbs any longer, but it would be very easy to keep taking the money.

It seems highly unlikely that I'm the only one.

I've worked in the public sector and private sector.

There are definitely plodders and coasters wasting a scandalous amount in the public sector.

But on the flip side I would also say there were a decent slice of people (often the technical specialists as opposed to those "managing" or doing weird fluff jobs) who were working a workload far higher than I ever experienced in even quite cut throat private firms. These people often were poorly rewarded despite doing an essential job and working very hard, and could easily have jumped to the private sector but worked in the public sector out of civic duty. Ideally they would be better rewarded and less stretched. The equivalent for the NHS.would be the doctors, nurses etc. who are over worked and under rewarded.

Watching the coasters take the piss while working so hard I was driving my health into the ground was galling. It was easy for me to jump into the private sector for higher pay and less work

I was totally unconvinced by Wes Streeting but he has proven to be brave and bold, exactly what is needed to tackle such a wasteful, failing and important public service.

🤣🤣🤣 We might not need the NI rises if the Government hadn’t backed itself into a tax corner where it was just about the only tax it hadn’t promised not to raise.

You have no idea what that poster does for a living.

Any of us could be a brain surgeon on a day off....

I don't think there will be 10,000 people looking for jobs.I suspect a lot of it will be retirement or early retirement and not replacing people who leave. I think there will be a rush to get back into the office. I doubt people who worked for the Civil Service ( many of whom are degree level educated and head hunted from University) will be competing with NEETS for jobs. NEETS need suitable training and education. Many need to be pushed into getting a job, even if it means going to work in a call centre of a cafe. They wont be competing for jobs with people who held civil service roles.

I like Streeting and hope to see him Labour leader one day

The working age population of the UK is nearly 34 million. The civil service is nearly 500k.
Making 10k redundant is a tiny, tiny number as a proportion of either of those figures. This will have zero impact outside of the homes of the individuals concerned. I can feel empathy for them. Everything beyond that is hyperbole.

I think it depends where the 10,000 jobs are being cut.

Ultimately UK is in a situation where our tax burden is the highest it's ever been, NHS spend has increased substantially year on year over past two decades, and yet we still have substandard health and infrastructure services, and rock bottom productivity.

Trimming unneeded roles will reduce unnecessary tax spend and free up the people who've been made redundant to use their excellent skills elsewhere more productively.

Of course the civil service needs to be streamlined.

Too many people in pointless jobs.

Frontline staff are needed but too many civil service jobs seem to be just paper-pushing and endless meetings with no real benefit to the country or the taxpayer.

I advise the PS and I agree. The amount of bloat is insane. Often I have been in a room with multiple lawyers each advising multiple "senior managers" of different limbs of.the NHS just to get one agreement in place between different bits of the NHS. And that's at least to try and get something tangible to.happen. There's a huge amount of bloat in some areas. Often while other people work phenomenally hard and cover 2-3x the work that they should. There's a whole industry of middle managers and bureaucrats just justifying their own existence

This statement is so vague as to be totally pointless.

It is sector and business specific. If an individual business is doing well enough to fund pay rises it has that option. If it isnt performing well enough, it won't.

Bravo!

Wow imagine the culture shock 😂

I think Streeting is doing a brilliant job. The NHS urgently needs to improve and he seems energetic, dedicated and focussed. Anyone blaming the state of the NHS on Labour needs their head seeing to.

Hopefully they will get jobs in the private sector and actually produce wealth.

I am utterly astounded that nhs England employs so many people! I honestly thought 200 or so. 10,000 is an enormous organisation.

Yes and it's experience like this - shared by so many so far - which offers an answer to "Why do people think some do nothing all day?"

As I've said on here before there's a good reason why some employers regard previous public service work as a bar to appointment, which won't do a whole lot for "They can just get other jobs", but fortunately there's always lower skill work available

We might not need the NI rises if we didn’t have to spend so much money on public sector non-jobs.

Oh God if only! Can you imagine! Politicians working for the long term good of the country!