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To wonder if sister murdered or harmed deliberately ?

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Lavenderfarmcottage · 13/03/2025 15:48

My sister died aged 40 last year during a mental health ward admission/stay for mental health episode. I am not in the UK but an English speaking country with a health system similar.
I was told the hospital report into death would be thorough. Directors said it was likely the diazepam which shouldn’t have been prescribed with suspected sleep apnoea.
Recently spoke to a Journalist and read the report with fresh eyes. On the morning of her death there are conflicting statements about whether she was settled or sleeping. I have attached a photo. This report was signed by 5 executives/ directors at hospital get the report contradicts itself.
I have contacted the coroner and been igbored and the hospital. My Mother has said she thinks it’s suspicious and more than negligence but then stonewalled me and said she wouldn’t enter into discussions until my sister’s house had settled and money disbursed as that is her priority (my Mum & I are only beneficiaries). This is true to form for my Mother but I was upset that and then shut down the conversation. My Mother hasn’t read the report so it was strange for her to have this view.
I recently spoke to a Journalist who went quiet and blanked me when I asked if she’d talk to the hospital. When I asked if it was a police matter she gave me a vague answer saying she hadn’t had time to consider this but it did occur to her.
I note my sisters diazepam (cause for concern flagged in report) was left unchanged at hospital 1 & 2 despite other medications being changed 5 times.
I think what bothering me is the conflicting statements in the report and everyone stonewalling.

I think the diazepam is a read herring and I think the report conflicts because they weren’t ready to tell me what has happened but had to issue a report.

I also received weird texts from a random in the weeks before my sisters death from someone claiming we’d met. They sent me a photo of someone that wasn’t me and claimed that it was me and we’d met at the pool. At the end of the exchange they said they knew my sister and named two places she’d worked. When I showed the photo of this person to my sister she didn’t recognise her.
The above weird texter is one of of many weird contacts. My Dad died suspiciously close to a very large fraud against him that I tried to get a solicitor over. I was told recently that those involved in the fraud had police and government contexts and it’s all very dirty and that anyone who goes near it is shut down. This has been my experience as I tried for years to get answers and here I am.
I think it’s very very unlikely my sister was killed but after the diabolical push back I received regarding my Dad (I’m still not allowed to view his coronial file years later or get answers) and have been blocked from court cases and other info. I have been intimidated etc and so forth and approached over 140 lawyers and coincidentally none can help me. I think maybe anything is possible.

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Namechangetry · 14/03/2025 18:14

OP what are you expecting from this thread that you didn't get from your previous thread/s?

What do you want internet randoms to say that all the lawyers, journalists, family members and hospital staff didn't?

I know what it's like to lose someone and never have answers as to why they died, so I get it to an extent. But what you're doing doesn't seem to be helping you, so maybe you should try something else.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 14/03/2025 18:02

I find these responses utterly bizarre. One poster even asked if my Sister was schizophrenic and implied I might be too, for thinking she was deliberately harmed. At least that was an honest response about the stigma and judgment which seems fairly evident from these posts.

It would be unusual if my sister was harmed in a hospital but given the conflicting information, and other people’s suspicions, it’s not impossible or crazy I’ve considered this or care about it a few months after death. What is crazy is the expectation that I wouldn’t want to discuss those concerns for less than 120 pounds an hour (or equivalent where I live.)

I am genuinely taken aback by the responses, the apathy and the bombardment of criticisms as to why I must be crazy and need mental health help for wondering this or considering it. My post is clear that other people have considered something suspicious too.

Even if I did have mental illness, I’d still have the right to be enquiring and upset and consider all possibilities. Thinking 3 dimmensionaly isn’t legal or warrant a diagnosis.

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4timesthefun · 14/03/2025 06:50

What a difficult situation, OP. I agree with you that we would all want clear answers in your situation. Unfortunately what has probably happened is that a combination of slow and ineffective processes has increased your paranoia and distrust, and has then impacted your ability to seek the information in a rational and effective way. This has made the services less likely to share information properly, exacerbating the cycle. While no one here can tell you it’s impossible your sister was murdered, it is the least likely scenario. Aside from most murders having some physical indication, the medical professional doing the autopsy is going to have absolutely zero reason to misrepresent cause of death, unless you think he or she was responsible for your sister’s death. The hospital is almost certainly trying to cover their arse, a patient died in their hospital, arse covering and keeping you at arms length are almost expected. They probably were over staffed and didn’t do a great job with notes etc, and then staff are retrospectively trying to remember if she was sleeping or resting, which is probably something that seemed very unimportant at the time! You can be frustrated about that and want information to make sense of what happened for your sister, but realistically your conviction she was murdered is going to make it really hard to get to the actual facts

Regretsmorethanafew · 14/03/2025 06:48

OP mental health issues and illnesses run in families. Was your sister schizophrenic? You need urgent medical assistance.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 14/03/2025 06:29

AusMumhere · 14/03/2025 03:44

that's the least of OPs concerns

I wrote tired and late at night. As murdering IS by definition a deliberate act, it wouldn’t make sense to read this as her being a murderer.

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AusMumhere · 14/03/2025 03:44

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 13/03/2025 17:47

OP, your title needs a ‘was’ added!

As it stands, it reads as if you thought your sister committed a murder.

that's the least of OPs concerns

YourHappyJadeEagle · 14/03/2025 03:26

Deleted as now see you have already contacted lawyers.

MissMoan · 14/03/2025 02:47

Ask yourself, what possible benefit will you get out of pursuing this further? It sounds like it will just bring on a whole lot of stress.
Your DSis has passed, nothing can change that. Allow yourself the time to grieve and process. Try not to fixate on the unknowns - you will drive yourself crazy.

*Edited to say 'DSis' instead of 'DS'

Agapornis · 14/03/2025 02:08

First, see your GP, and tell them about your thoughts. 120 lawyers is a lot. The journalist going quiet after initial interest is usually because the person they're dealing with is unreliable and it would be unethical to proceed.

Depending on the country you're in, have you tried contacting journalists abroad? This will be more relevant if you're in Russia rather than Australia.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 14/03/2025 01:30

Bollihobs · 13/03/2025 18:23

OP, kindly, you need to see your GP.

You have posted before that you think you are "depressed and in a dark place".

You see conspiracy and collusion in everything - the "weird random" texting you that is 'one of many such contacts' .... the journalist that is blanking you, 5 directors of the hospital signing off what you feel is a bogus report on your sister's death, linking your father's death to your sister's when they happened 20 years apart, citing 'police and government involvement' etc etc. If you have genuinely contacted 140 lawyers since your sister died that's approx 1 a day, every day.....that's a paranoic response and you need help to deal with that.

Please see your GP, urgently. Show him/her this thread if you can't articulate your need clearly. Please.

That’s over 5 years

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BoundaryGirl3939 · 13/03/2025 18:47

If your father and sister were murdered, I don't think you'll ever get the truth.

Police, media, government and courts back each other up.

Just know that nobody gets away with anything. The effects of a bad deed follow the perpetrator.

I hope you can make peace. Justice will be served.

BoundaryGirl3939 · 13/03/2025 18:42

Freemasonic involvement? Is your mother afraid? Why does she want it hush hush?

Bollihobs · 13/03/2025 18:23

OP, kindly, you need to see your GP.

You have posted before that you think you are "depressed and in a dark place".

You see conspiracy and collusion in everything - the "weird random" texting you that is 'one of many such contacts' .... the journalist that is blanking you, 5 directors of the hospital signing off what you feel is a bogus report on your sister's death, linking your father's death to your sister's when they happened 20 years apart, citing 'police and government involvement' etc etc. If you have genuinely contacted 140 lawyers since your sister died that's approx 1 a day, every day.....that's a paranoic response and you need help to deal with that.

Please see your GP, urgently. Show him/her this thread if you can't articulate your need clearly. Please.

CrumbsInMyBra · 13/03/2025 18:17

This whole post reads very jumbled and chaotic OP. I think there’s a reason behind why all the lawyers, the journalist, the police, the coroner and your mum have decided to stop responding to your questions about your sister’s death.

I’m so sorry for your loss and the grief and confusion you may be feeling about the passing of your sister and father. It’s dreadful that she died so young and under those circumstances but I think you should seek grief counselling to come to terms with it all.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 13/03/2025 17:47

OP, your title needs a ‘was’ added!

As it stands, it reads as if you thought your sister committed a murder.

mildgreenfairyliquid · 13/03/2025 17:42

@Lavenderfarmcottage, I'm so very sorry for both your losses.

Knowing nothing of the background, obviously I don't know what happened in either case. But I wouldn't dream of dismissing the possibility that circumstances around your sister's death may not be exactly as you've been told. I, too, have a sister who died (in her 20s) in mental health "care". Systems act to protect themselves - we know that.

Having said that, you need to look after yourself. That may be via looking further into the details of how your sister died, if you need to investigate further in some way (possibly via getting the help of experts, if you can). Or perhaps you can gradually move towards a kind of acceptance of the uncertainty without needing to do that. Either way, this will take time.

It's really hard to accept that all the investigation in the world - even if you were able to get to the absolute truth of what may be a complex, murky situation (in which mental health services may well have played a part in your sister's death - even if no individuals did anything to break the law or deliberately harm) - will not bring back your sister. All you can do is be open to the grief, and live life as best you can, paying attention to what's most important to you.

Thinking of you Flowers

Endofyear · 13/03/2025 17:29

OP I'm so sorry for the loss of your sister 💐

I don't know the laws in your country but has there been a post mortem and an inquest? A death in a hospital setting should be thoroughly investigated and it's awful for the family to be left with unanswered questions. Do you have a Member of Parliament that can help you deal with the authorities involved?

justasking111 · 13/03/2025 17:21

I remember the last thread. You were advised to let it be if you believe family members had been murdered, for your own safety and that of your mother's.

Hoppinggreen · 13/03/2025 17:06

I remember your other post about your father being "murdered"
I think you should seek help and I don't mean a journalist

KrisAkabusi · 13/03/2025 16:50

EmmaMaria · 13/03/2025 16:38

With respect, I understand how devastating grief can be, but the coroner, the police, journalists and over 140 lawyers have been unable to give you the answers that you want. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one - they can't give you the answer that you want because no answer will suffice for you.

Ì was going to write a longer answer but this sums most of it up.

You also have to ask yourself why? Why would the government, the coroner, the police and all the lawyers be part of a conspiracy to keep the details of your father's death secret? What could possibly have happened that would require so many people to be involved to keep his cause of death quiet? Yet be able to find out the details so quickly - if you approach a random lawyer, they are not going to be part of the conspiracy. But somehow they find out quickly what it is and then agree to be part of it, before telling you there's nothing in it. I'm afraid that it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

You are grieving. You want to make sense of a senseless death. But sometimes there isn't any. Accidents happen. People die, and there's often nobody at fault because it will happen us all. Find a counsellor. Talk to a grief charity if you can't afford a professional. But you need to try to move on.

TheMimsy · 13/03/2025 16:47

@Lavenderfarmcottage plenty of mental health units prescribe diazepam at a low dose safely for patients including the ones with sleep apnea and there are many papers over the last 20 years that show a low monitored dose does not impact most types of sleep apnea. You say she had suspected sleep apnea - so she could still be in this whilst testing was undergone. Was she actually being investigated for it? My son has a suspected heart condition - yet still takes meds that could affect it as they work best for his mental health issues - but he is closely monitored and we are aware of the Risks and balance it out.

It’s sometimes a toss up on units as to how to manages patients moods, anxieties and ensure they get adequate sleep lest it impact or throw off their dopamine levels.

kindly - I think you are clutching at straws and seeking out loaded guns where there isn’t one. It’s understandable whilst deep in grief that you want solid undisputed answers but unfortunately life isn’t like that.

id also be careful as like with your last post about your father - some of these facts can be easily priced together and be identifying. People only need to search in nhs mental health deaths etc and most are documented.

maybe your mother does not want to dwell on things and it take over her life like this and your fathers death have yours. Maybe your sister has been ill for a long time like my son and your mother did her grieving years ago and just wants all the legal things wrapped up and over so she can find peace and move on.

living with so much pent up grief and anger must take up so much energy. Please find acceptance. Please accept that you have done what you can. Please move on and seek help and concentrate on your family unit around you.

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 13/03/2025 16:46

Lavenderfarmcottage · 13/03/2025 16:31

It’s a basic right and civilised expectation in a civilised society to want answers and clarity about how your immediate family died - especially when both my Dad and sister were in their 40’s and died in ways that the coroner and police won’t fully explain to me.

Sorry if I’ve misunderstood but your dad was in his 40s, so his death was 20/30/40 years ago?

EmmaMaria · 13/03/2025 16:38

With respect, I understand how devastating grief can be, but the coroner, the police, journalists and over 140 lawyers have been unable to give you the answers that you want. Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one - they can't give you the answer that you want because no answer will suffice for you.

sSssssssssssssOOO · 13/03/2025 16:37

Do you have anyone else in real life who you can talk to about this? Other siblings or a partner.
if your Mum doesn’t want to talk about it then you should respect her decision.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 13/03/2025 16:31

It’s a basic right and civilised expectation in a civilised society to want answers and clarity about how your immediate family died - especially when both my Dad and sister were in their 40’s and died in ways that the coroner and police won’t fully explain to me.

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