NHS England to go is Keir being unreasonable?

I worked in the NHS for 25 years, also in an ICB for the last couple but took MARS in a restructure 2 years ago. In that time I have survived several ‘restructures’ and efficiency measures. Every time staff were made redundant or moved elsewhere, sometimes to be rehired later on. The same people just get recycled in the NHS. No savings are made on staff costs!

Lots to read later.

@GoodOldTrayBake

Someone else said they aren’t quangos and I asked why. I posted a bbc explanation of quangos earlier on this thread - just cut and paste it below.

Why is a task force different to a quango?

I presumed a task force researches an area and gives advice and info to the gov so falls under Quango as per the BBC article. Is this incorrect?
What do quangos do?
They can deliver public services, give advice or regulate behaviour. Quangos can range from tiny committees that meet a few times a year to organisations with multi-million pound budgets and thousands of staff. There are several different types:
Those with executive powers to actually do something. Examples include the Environment Agency, Regional Development Agencies, national galleries and museums, regulators such as Ofcom
Advisory bodies which give independent, expert advice to ministers on a range of matters - such as the Committee on Standards on Public Life, Boundary Commission
Watchdogs that set standards and regulate behaviour, such as bodies which look at prisons, immigration removal centres etc.

What on earth has cutting out an unnecessary body like NHS England, which has nothing to do with direct patient care, got to do with the Tories and the Nasty Party claim...

Numbers working in admin in the NHS has doubled since 2010, yet patient care has gone down and waiting lists up...

Talk about clutching at straws....

Ha thought you'd be for keeping NHS England @EasternStandard

If the Tories were doing it everyone would be shouting about how they are the "nasty party".

Sorry to those who are worrying about redundancy. I hope you find new (and better) positions quickly.

Someone above said they think this is cutting government ‘Doge’ style. Do you think he has got this idea from the USA in order to make savings? I don’t remember it being in Labours pre election manifesto.

Do you think more cuts and redundancies are to follow then?

Only Labour could do this, because you would get the typical calls of "don't privatise the NHS" if the Tories did it, the Tories last proposed nationalising GPs and were met with howls of "don't privatise the NHS".

The NHS employs 1.34 million people, is the world's fifth largest employer and I estimate that 1 in 20 works in the UK works for the NHS in some manner.

Only Labour could do this, because you would get the typical calls of "don't privatise the NHS" if the Tories did it, the Tories last proposed nationalising GPs and were met with howls of "don't privatise the NHS".

The NHS employs 1.34 million people, is the world's fifth largest employer and I estimate that 1 in 20 works in the UK works for the NHS in some manner.

I work for an ICB (commissioner) and we have been called to an emergency meeting today. We went through a restructure last year and lost 20% of our workforce. We are on our knees with overwork and now there is talk of a further reduction by 50%.

I know the NHS is in a mess and needs overhauling but as someone who loves their job and works hard to make things as good as they can be, I am gutted.

Incidentally, I spent 20 of my 37 hour work week last week responding to MP enquiries - oh the irony.

Sorry to those who are worrying about redundancy. I hope you find new (and better) positions quickly.

Someone above said they think this is cutting government ‘Doge’ style. Do you think he has got this idea from the USA in order to make savings? I don’t remember it being in Labours pre election manifesto.

Do you think more cuts and redundancies are to follow then?

Sorry to those who are worrying about redundancy. I hope you find new (and better) positions quickly.

Someone above said they think this is cutting government ‘Doge’ style. Do you think he has got this idea from the USA in order to make savings? I don’t remember it being in Labours pre election manifesto.

Do you think more cuts and redundancies are to follow then?

Sorry to those who are worrying about redundancy. I hope you find new (and better) positions quickly.

Someone above said they think this is cutting government ‘Doge’ style. Do you think he has got this idea from the USA in order to make savings? I don’t remember it being in Labours pre election manifesto.

Do you think more cuts and redundancies are to follow then?

I heard this too today ( i work in a similar sector) 50% cuts of all management in ICBs nationwide ...

Hope you are ok there @GottaWork

The AI jobs revolution hasn't happened yet and may never do, IF it does, it will mean massive tax changes and perhaps there will be the need for Job Creation but we are no-where near that atm.

Plus its got nothing to do with abolishing NHS England.

Clearly you can't have large organisations run with no managers and admin, are frontline clinical staff supposed to also organise the catering, cleaning, finance, HR, legal, etc, etc. It derails constructive discussion when the knee jerk 'sack the overpaid managers' crew turn up in every debate. I thought Darsi gave a balanced view saying that the problem isn't too many managers but too few in the right parts of the system to be effective. Abolishing duplicated non patient facing roles seems a sensible start.

I've been involved in similar reorganisations in the public sector before and people in the 'abolished roles' tend to pop up again in the new structures, elsewhere in the larger organisation or in closely associated organisations so the skills aren't necessarily lost.

yes because thats the way its headed, the amout of companies outsourcing, then Ai taking roles, more population growing , then global businesses

in the end it all comes to a point that you will only need a few major companies doing x,y,z and the rest are not necessary

plus businesses are always looking to cut costs when ever so then whats , the answer make more jobs for the purpose of jobs or you cut all but essentials similar to when covid was and then what do you do with all the people ?