To think some people are really snobby about tradespeople?

Don't get me wrong he can be a really annoying dickhead in other ways like us all 🤣but, I am lucky.
People have and do talk to him regularly like he is a thick, until he starts packing his tools away and they realise they'll be left with a gaping hole in their roof above their children's beds. They change their tune just enough to get what they need.

He works 5-6 days a week depending the week and has been offered tea/water/to use the bathroom, exactly twice since the beginning of Jan.

Both days, it was the same lovely lady😆 People are arseholes

You are a lucky woman!

Partner is a qualified roofer and plumber, and is an all round DIY legend.

Things get fixed before they even break here.🤣
I love that he can and will do any job I can't or don't want to do. Plus he looks so incredibly hot walking across our roof in his harness, boots and work trousers😍

Unless you relish the thought of living for months (even years!) with half done jobs there's never the time for because paid jobs take priority, but are never allowed to pay anyone else to do, I'd be careful what you wish for!😂

I’ve got friends ds and work colleagues who think that university is the only way.

But if every single person went to university for a university type job...then who do they expect to keep the university clean and sanitary while they study?
Who will fix all the things that break every day that can affect their learning?

Who will build the lovely house they want to buy when they have finished their studies?
Who will collect their rubbish, keeping them, their property and possible future children free of disease and rats?

Who will be there to serve them and supply them with all they need to furnish their life...and so on...

Seems as though these people didn't spend enough time in university if they think the world would work just as well, or even better if "university was the ONLY way to go"

These people are idiots op. I would LOVE it if DH was a builder or a carpenter!!

When university waa free to attend though the percentage of people that went compared today was tiny.

I agree but I do think it’s shame that university is no longer free to attend as it is such an amazing experience. I didn’t go straight from school but was still young. The breadth of things we learnt about was fascinating - and for those leaving home at 18 a very sheltered way to step out into the world.

that said academics isn’t for everyone. Trades are usually very skilled and well paid so I don’t know why anyone would feel snobby about them.

God knows andc t makes no sense anyway as most posters claiming to be working class are essentially living a very middle class life

What sort of jobs would you consider pointless?

Sad no business offered as that’s something tradespeople could really benefit from.

Why is MN obsessed with social class? In real life, no one is remotely interested. People are people.

This can be really common behaviour amongst white collar men. I think its rooted in ideas of 'real men' being physical. Strong enough to do manual work, and practical and resourceful when it comes to fixing things. Men who disparage the guy with the skills to keep their home safe and functional for them and their families are often coming from a defensive position because they can't do this themselves. To be fair, this often also works in reverse, with trades sneering at the guy who faffs around in a suit but can't unblock his own sink.

This is definitely the majority view where we live. Trade means you’re made and university is not for the likes of us.
I have worked facility companies for years, many of the confident tradesmen, the type with the skills and the self confidence that allows them chat to anyone, return to education to take on management roles, project management, marketing etc.
The building companies like people with experience on both sides.
There is a time limit as a tradesmen due to physical wear and tear, working in all weathers, many take on night courses.

I think it must depend on your background and where you live.
DH’s Dad is trade and was devastated DH went to college to do A levels then did a degree as part of a management training course. FIL has worked in places where management are the enemy the workers had to get one up on and you can tell he struggles having a son who is a boss.
This is definitely the majority view where we live. Trade means you’re made and university is not for the likes of us.
The majority of pupils in my 14yo year will take vocational GCSE options. There will be no French or Business for his year as the numbers were too low.

Yes they can totally earn loads of money. But they’ll never jump social class as perceived by the public.
Nor would he want too, similarly my sister an accountant doesn't want to be perceived as class jumping.
We are very proud to be working class and come from a longline of hardworking people, most of the nieces/nephews are grown, some went to university, others started apprenticeships, thankfully none has picked up on the snobby judgemental attitudes towards WC people, they don't deny their street trader roots or grandparents working the docklands roots.
We all live locally in the city,.
Some areas better than othes.

Yesterday I had the significant misfortune to share a train with a group of men off to Cheltenham on a corporate jolly. They wore high end suits, got out of expensive cars in a wealthy area. They were shouting, making coarse remarks, clearly drunk by 830. What social class were they?

Well I don’t think that’s true at all. I think it’s glaringly obvious.

I’m not saying it’s right, just that that’s the way it is.

I don’t personally care to denigrate people. But society certainly does (or at least a sizeable chunk of it). Don’t persecute me for simply stating what happens out there.

My DH who works in an office talks about tradesmen as losers. It makes my blood boil! He would never say this in public but the fact that he thinks that makes me resent him.

'The public' largely couldn't care less. Only a small subset of people who's own self worth is tied up with self defining as middle class are invested in gatekeeping the label, and they seem to congregate on MN. Yet even they can't seem to reach a consensus on what criteria is needed to make the 'jump'. There is no way anyone watching someone behave brashly or use a regional accent can know whether they're wealthy, degree educated, a professional or what ever thing is required to be MC, so if they judge people, they are judging behaviour that they associate with being MC. Similarly, they cannot possibly tell if the person in the understated clothes walking quietly round a museum grew up in a council house or not.

But the poster wrote, 'if you are able', not many people are able to get into RG universities as to.achihe 3 A/A*s is not that easy.

I think if people think that they are ridiculous but equally there is this attitude that anyone can get into a good university and that just isn't the case.

It can be distressing. And stressful, un ny experience. For many of the reasons outlined in this thread (and none of the reasons in your post).

Yes they can totally earn loads of money. But they’ll never jump social class as perceived by the public.