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To ask when your ND and NT children got fully ready for school? ***title edited by MNHQ at OP's request***

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LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 10:34

I'm feeling like my dcs should be doing more for themselves. I realise all children are different, have different capabilities and develop at different rates. Maybe these things are normal, and I am expecting too much, or are they running rings around dh, and I? I feel like it is the latter.

At what age did your dc get up with an alarm clock, get their school uniform on, and come down for breakfast? How much involvement did you have?

When I was 8, I did it all, but I am NT, so I understand it was alot easier for me, and those were different times. I grew up with a depressed dm who laid in bed every morning. This meant I grew up quicker, brought her a cup of tea before school from 8 years old, other people would take me to school, or I would walk with my sibling etc. I didn't eat breakfast half of the time, nobody was there to ensure I did. Due to this, it is very important to me, that I am there fully for my dcs in the morning. I love being there for them, this isn't the issue whatsoever.

Dc1 has just turned 8, and the other is 5. The 8 year old is ND with autism and ADHD; he struggles with anxiety which can be challenging. He is very intelligent and academically where he should be at school, if not a head in some areas. He is an absolute whizz on computers to the point he is better than some adults. He is full of facts and can tell you to the finer detail about them on repeat. He is a lovely kid, polite and sensible. The thing I am struggling with is getting him to follow instructions at home without having an autistic melt down. If he doesn't want to do things, or isn't interested in something he will outright refuse to do it, or take an eternity to carry it out, despite being more than capable of the action I am asking him to do. He hates to follow instructions, it doesn't matter how early we get up, it just takes such a long time. He will make it so difficult to the point time runs out and I have no choice but to do it for him. Then he will complain through this, and want feelings reaffirmed, "I love you Mum, do you love me, I'm stupid etc."

I have a visual timetable for mornings, dc1 understands this well, and knows he needs to go to the toilet, brush his teeth, dress his bottom half, (I do his tops), as he has sensitivities with this so I have to put them on like the speed of light. Then I send him downstairs to get a smoothie out of the fridge and watch some tv (he enjoys this part, and likes the independence because it is something he 'wants' to do), while I then get the 5 year old ready. This is all I expect of dc1, he did it a couple of times and I was over the moon thinking finally, but now we are back to square 1. He is procrastinating and wandering. He'll either want a long cuddle or faff around to the point I can't leave him and have to supervise instructing him to do X,Y, and Z. He then gets upset because he doesn't like being told what to do and when to do it; it has to be on his terms.

Now my 5 year old is copying and saying he can't do it in regards to getting ready; he was very keen and independent wanting to do these things from 2. However, now he is copying dc1. Mornings are stressful, and I don't think I can go on this way.

5 year old is NT, takes ages to get up, I take him to the bathroom make sure he goes to the toilet, I then brush his teeth, get him fully dressed, bring him downstairs. I then make their breakfasts, and I have to remind them constantly to eat them. I tell them they need to hurry and finish breakfast. They ignore me, then say they're eating it. Then I will say shoes on, and they both ignore me. I end up raising my voice and saying, "Come on, dcs, we're going to be late for school." Then 8 year old will hit himself in the face say it's his fault, and be on the verge of a melt down. Sometime he'll tell me he hates me too, just because I'm trying to get them to school on time. I even have to put their shoes on, because they'll complain. Dc2 is a little more willing to help sometimes. It is exhausting, and it feels like they should be a bit more independent by now. They'll do their coats at least. At this point we're running out of the door, and I have to repeatedly tell my 8 yr old that I love him, that he isn't stupid and to stop raising his fists to his face. The younger one is easier this way, and I try to give him attention as well so that he isn't left out, then then dc1 one tells me I love him better, despite him getting more attention on the whole, because he is so demanding and attention seeking. Often we are walking down the street with dc1 telling me he hates me, or hates himself. I feel like an utterly useless Mother.

Does anybody have experience of this? I'm drained by it, and exhausted before we even get out of the door. I'm not shouty, but do raise my voice as a last resort (more a firmer tone), but not shouting or anything like that. I honestly don't know what on earth more I can do.

I do want to add that some days are better than others (but most are like the above).

Edited to say: I am sorry this is so long. I understand if nobody reads it all.

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VeggPatch · 12/03/2025 13:02

His class teacher has told him to stop biting his sleeve as he is in year 3, not reception

I'm not surprised he doesn't want to go in then. What an unhelpful way to deal with an AuDHD child. Have a look for chewy necklaces - you can get ones shaped like lego bricks etc.

I suspect you might get less difficult behaviour in the mornings if his class teacher wasn't shaming him for things he can't help.

Aside from that, tweaks I might make to your morning routine would be

  • Get DC2 up first since he takes longer - can he have a visual timetable to dress himself while you help DC1? If he is NT then a star chart or marble jar might work well for doing everything on the visual timetable himself.
  • No screens in the morning - we have noticed SUCH a difference in DD (also AuDHD) since we had a screen ban in the morning. As soon as she's on a screen she doesn't process boring instructions like "put your shoes on."
  • Timer so they can see when breakfast finishes, alarm or Alexa set for shoes time.
  • Make it a race to get shoes on - then you suddenly remember you need to "find your keys" so the boys win the race - novelty and playfulness work really well.

It is difficult. DD is 10 and I still physically dress her most mornings.

suitcaseofdreams · 12/03/2025 12:57

Mine are teenagers. One is diagnosed autistic, the other not but has many traits and has severe school based anxiety. Neither are able to completely independently get up, ready and out in a morning. Autistic one is good with dressing and teeth but can't make own breakfast without chucking cereal all over the floor and spilling milk all over the table and still needs me to do up his shoelaces. He does wake easily and goes from asleep to fully alert very quickly and can be up and out (with help and reminders) in 30-40 mins so he's generally pretty easy.
Anxious one needs to be woken two hours before he needs to leave to house, takes a long time to 'come round', then needs frequent reminders to come and eat breakfast (which I need to get ready for him). Then he needs to be dressed by me (not because he can't do it but because his anxiety is too high) and it takes lots of persuasion and support to get him into his trainers (again, done up by me) and out of the door and into the car. At weekends and during holidays he is fully independent, makes his own breakfast and lunch, bakes cakes for us all, has no problems with choosing his own clothes and getting dressed etc - he simply cannot cope with school and as a result becomes almost unable to function at all independently on a school morning.

I'd be looking at how happy DC1 is in school...and I mean genuinely happy, not just masking and appearing fine. It could well be that lots of the defiance and demand avoidance is because he is anxious and scared about school? (especially if weekends are easier/better) If this is the case then making some changes at school might help the morning routine at home (my mornings were more like yours when autistic one was in mainstream primary and hating it) If there are demand avoidant traits (even if not full PDA) then the techniques and strategies recommended on the PDA Society website might help (essentially removing perceived demands, making it into a game, suggesting rather than instructing etc)

Laffydaffy · 12/03/2025 12:50

If it helps, I will share the routine that has finally worked for us.

Both kids (DD Adhd and DS Adhd and autism) take medication for school.

Night before, bags packed, showered and DS dresses for the next day. DD wears PJs. We don't have a uniform, so DS wears comfy clothes that works as PJs anyway - jumper and trackpants. DD enjoys picking out her clothes (night before) so no problems there.

We always wake them an hour before they have to go on the bus. Straight to breakfast for whatever they will eat, which changes regularly. Toast, cereal, yoghurt or leftovers. The rule is, they must eat something. Medication, then teeth, face washed and jackets/shoes on and out the door. We leave no time to dilly-dally. Just a set routine that we stick to. We have to watch DS and remind him of each step, but it works. Has taken years.

What also helped when they were younger was giving them their medication first thing with breakfast, which would start working before they were out the door. That was noice.

What we have done is observed what works and what distracts. What works is getting everything ready the night before, including shoes and jackets. What does not work is giving them extra time for devices or TV, or cooking breakfast. Too much stress and distraction. Also, getting DS ready the night before has halved the madness. He can roll out of bed even half an hour before the bus now, and last year that was unthinkable.

And a good night's sleep.

Squidgemoon · 12/03/2025 12:47

My DS9 is 100% NT but is not good at independence or getting ready in the mornings! I don’t have much advice OP but I don’t think it’s all down to ND either … DS needs a hell of a lot of prompting, I don’t think left to his own devices he would EVER brush his teeth …

rosiebl · 12/03/2025 12:43

OP I would change the order of your mornings and put the thing your ND DC wants to do at the very end of all of the other tasks. I did this with my DC and it changed the dial entirely. I told him why I was doing it and what my expectations were and what the reward was for following the routine (in your case this is TV and smoothie). I would get him to do everything including shoes and then he gets the reward of smoothie and tv when breakfast is eaten, he's dressed, teeth are brushed and toilet is done. Write it down for him so he can clearly see the steps.

Catza · 12/03/2025 12:41

@LiveinHarmony another thing I forgot to mention is that I actually could not tolerate any form of talking in the morning, or much in a way of sound and light. So my mum didn't have to keep completely silent but everything had to be at a much reduced volume, nothing that would require a response from me. So maybe there is also a sensory component to consider with your son where it's not necessarily requests that he is finding difficult but having to process stimuli and "generate" an appropriate response.

AllTheChaos · 12/03/2025 12:33

Catza · 12/03/2025 12:09

I have autism and while I was able to get dressed independently from a very young age, I think my mum was only able to stop physically waking me up when I was about 16. I had my own alarm but I really struggled to get out of bed so she always used to come in, open the windows, bring me a glass of juice or a cup of tea. Then come in again in 20 minutes to make sure I was actually up (in was not unusual for me to actually fall asleep with a cup of tea in my hand). I also have vivid memories of falling sleep in the toilet at primary age. Waking up was a huge issue. Everything else - not so much.

I am still like this! I give myself a long start in the morning as it’s the only way. I do the same for Dd too, she either wakes early naturally or I wake her early, otherwise it all goes to pot very quickly.

AllTheChaos · 12/03/2025 12:30

DD is 11, AuDhD, and still needs some assistance. Mostly just, like pp, yelling ‘clothes!’, ‘teeth’, ‘shoes!’ Etc. sometimes she wakes up in time, sometimes she needs waking. She couldn’t get her own breakfast as is very clumsy (possible dyspraxia but still awaiting assessment) and can’t be left to wield sharp knives alone. If I leave bread cut she will get her own toast, but will then dump a whole jar of jam on top unless I stop her. So, oversight and reminders rather than doing it for her if that makes sense?

Catza · 12/03/2025 12:28

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:17

Aww thank you for sharing this. It is lovely to hear from somebody who has been through this as a child. May I ask if there is anything that you feel your Mum could have done to further help you? Sny advice would be much appreciated. Dc1 gets up with his alarm clock well, it is the rest we are struggling with, because he will act like it is the weekend.

I honestly don't know if there is anything else my mum could have done. One thing I do though is I get up significantly earlier than I need to - this is my strategy as an adult which allows me to be ready when I need to be ready. I still need my mornings to be reeeeealy slow (so yes, I treat them as a weekend because I have to!). I can technically be up and out in 15 min but I feel stressed, rushed, overwhelmed and it takes me whole day to recover from this experience. I don't start work till 9am and I work from home so it's literally 12 steps between my bedroom and my office. But! I wake up at 6.30. This allows me 30 min to read a book in bed with a cup of coffee. I then go downstairs in my PJs and potter around a bit. I may or may not have breakfast or a second cup of coffee, play with the dog a bit, do a bit of mindless tidying up or stare out of the window a bit. By about 8am I am just about ready to brush my teeth. I then go back to the bedroom where I may get distracted for a bit before I actually get dressed. I am finally in front of my laptop at 8.45 ready for work.
Now, I am not suggesting the entire household is up at 4am to allow your son a bit more time to get himself together but I would seriously consider that making time to allow his natural rhythm may be more beneficial and less stressful than trying to change what he does to fit the time available.

Babyboomtastic · 12/03/2025 12:23

5 (complicated!) and 7 (probably ADHD but undiagnosed).

We prompt everything.. Multiple times. The younger one needs help due to disabilities (though could do more...) the eldest needs constant prompting. She'll eventually (after many prompts) get dressed but often clothes are in the wrong order, items forgotten, back to front etc and she won't notice. She'll put trainers on with school uniform and school shoes for PE days. Often tears over hair brushing, teeth brushing, washing and we are frazzled by the time we leave.

Maladie · 12/03/2025 12:19

It sounds like your DC1 is barely coping.

Our morning routine has had to get simpler and simpler as mental health breakdown has reduced the capacity of my now-16-year-old.

On bad days I try get food into him first - cereal or even just milk in his bedroom. Warm milk even. Once this is done he is better able to do stuff. It sounds counter-intuitive but I wonder if a slower start and food before tasks might be easier on you both. Maybe start with sorting your younger one out and let DC1 "thaw out" first. For now I would concentrate on getting him out of the door as gently as possible so he is not hitting himself - maybe the marker of success should be you not having to tell him fists down, rather than him putting his own top on etc.

Capacity reduces to almost zero when you're on the ragged edge. Find a way to bring him back from the brink of meltdown and you might find some of the hard stuff stops being hard for him. It's a bit of a leap of faith but if he is capable of putting a top on at the weekend, or at school, then maybe the problem is the overwhelm rather than the skill.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:17

Catza · 12/03/2025 12:09

I have autism and while I was able to get dressed independently from a very young age, I think my mum was only able to stop physically waking me up when I was about 16. I had my own alarm but I really struggled to get out of bed so she always used to come in, open the windows, bring me a glass of juice or a cup of tea. Then come in again in 20 minutes to make sure I was actually up (in was not unusual for me to actually fall asleep with a cup of tea in my hand). I also have vivid memories of falling sleep in the toilet at primary age. Waking up was a huge issue. Everything else - not so much.

Aww thank you for sharing this. It is lovely to hear from somebody who has been through this as a child. May I ask if there is anything that you feel your Mum could have done to further help you? Sny advice would be much appreciated. Dc1 gets up with his alarm clock well, it is the rest we are struggling with, because he will act like it is the weekend.

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Catza · 12/03/2025 12:09

I have autism and while I was able to get dressed independently from a very young age, I think my mum was only able to stop physically waking me up when I was about 16. I had my own alarm but I really struggled to get out of bed so she always used to come in, open the windows, bring me a glass of juice or a cup of tea. Then come in again in 20 minutes to make sure I was actually up (in was not unusual for me to actually fall asleep with a cup of tea in my hand). I also have vivid memories of falling sleep in the toilet at primary age. Waking up was a huge issue. Everything else - not so much.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:08

Toomanyusernamestochoose · 12/03/2025 11:59

NT 6 and 8 year old manage this daily without too much squabbling between them. Helps that they are naturally early risers so alarms are not necessary and usually hungry in the morning so keen to be ready and at the table!

My two don't seem that hungry in the morning, they take ages to eat, and need constant reminders. Maybe they're eating too much the day before, I have no idea! They do great with their lunches, and dinners, and are good eaters, so this isn't the problem. Dc1 is more of an early riser, dc2 later.

Dc2 I think would rather a later breakfast, and takes ages to come around (he doesn't sleep well as he has enlarged tonsils and adenoids) which I expect is adding to the behavioural issues we're having with him. Dc1 is too wound up about going to school, and trying to get computer time to look at multiple pc operating systems (which is his current obsession).
I don't know what to do! I feel really deflated, and any advice would be gratefully appreciated from anybody who has both ND and NT kids, and how ypu balance things.

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LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 12:01

TheAmusedQuail · 12/03/2025 11:35

ND child (7) does best with one word instructions. I literally bark 'SHOES' at him. (Or coat, eat, trousers, bottle etc). If I keep it ultra simple he'll do it. If I do a sentence or try a chat, nope.

I think the ADHD means his brain can't cope with more.

The neighbours must think I'm a harsh mum, but honestly, it works.

This is the thing, even one words aren't working, I'm at a loss. If anything it makes it worse because dc1 will think it sounds more angry, because I have to keep repeating the one word. It does work better on NT 5 year old, but again if he sees older ds not doing it, he will copy.

Dc1 can't differentiate between urgency, and takes it as if I am telling him off, almost like a personal criticism.

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Toomanyusernamestochoose · 12/03/2025 11:59

NT 6 and 8 year old manage this daily without too much squabbling between them. Helps that they are naturally early risers so alarms are not necessary and usually hungry in the morning so keen to be ready and at the table!

Livelaughlurgy · 12/03/2025 11:58

I used to have to drag my 8 and 4 year old from bed in the mornings at 7.30, we then have an hour before we leave. All NT. I do breakfast, they do their own teeth and dressing but constant distractions, so I need to keep on top of them the whole time. Thing have gotten much easier in the last month, I've become more militant at bedtime and they're getting an extra hour sleep and the difference is insane.

Justploddingonandon · 12/03/2025 11:55

Well my NT 12 year old can't use an alarm clock (he either forgets to set it, turns it off and rolls over or sleeps through it) but does the rest by himself. I'd say he needed occasional prompts to avoid getting distracted up until high school.
ASD DD 9 technically can do stuff herself, but gets so anxious and overwhelmed she can't make decisions like what to wear in the morning, and usually needs someone to stand over her and make sure she's actually getting dressed, not just holding her toothbrush etc. I don't think she has ADHD as well as she can focus when she's not anxious or tired.

skipdiddyskip · 12/03/2025 11:54

@TheAmusedQuail this is really interesting as this actually works best for my NT dd as well! If I do a full sentence it becomes a topic for debate but if I just say "eat" "teeth" "coat" etc it becomes something she just goes into autopilot and does while continuing to jibber jabber about that morning's topic (this morning it was about cooking gnocchi, as that's what's for dinner). I agree it feels harsh but also very efficient.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:48

minnienono · 12/03/2025 11:40

Dd1 needed nagging through 6th form, she has asd. Dd2 would get herself showered, dressed, make her own (gourmet) packed lunch and be eating breakfast before I got downstairs from the daily shouting match trying to persuade her sister to get up---- by the time she was 7/8.

It is night and day the difference isn't it? May I ask if your dc2 is NT? If so, did she ever copy her older sister with some of the defiant behaviours. This is the part I am finding a bit challenging. I'm thinking that maybe dc2 will realise as he gets older and that he can do more for himself. I feel sorry for them both. Dc1 gets over whelmed at pretty much everything, and then overwhelms everybody else in the process. 5 year old is too little to deal with him looping and talking non-stop to him, and demanding his attention, so I have to remind him to settle down. Sometimes they'll play nicely together if it fits in with dc1's interests; he is very controlling with their games.

I love them both so much and their personalities. I am however finding it challenging to balance two different parenting styles, while making sure they both get equal attention, and carry out tasks they're capable of doing.

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Wakeywake · 12/03/2025 11:45

DS was getting himself ready at some point during reception. Or so I thought, until one day I discovered he would sleep in his uniform to save time in the morning.

minnienono · 12/03/2025 11:40

Dd1 needed nagging through 6th form, she has asd. Dd2 would get herself showered, dressed, make her own (gourmet) packed lunch and be eating breakfast before I got downstairs from the daily shouting match trying to persuade her sister to get up---- by the time she was 7/8.

LiveinHarmony · 12/03/2025 11:38

Namechange09090 · 12/03/2025 11:32

I still struggle with my autistic 16yo DS but think he's taking the piss at this point.

I'm sorry you're also struggling. Exactly, I feel this way about my 8 year old. I'm struggling to separate manipulate lazy behaviour from the neurodiversity. I try to help him in every way possible. He is capable of doing these things. He gets ready for PE at school now, albeit he takes longer than the other children. Dc2 wasn't a pick of bother and honestly it is like night and day parenting a NT child compared to a ND one. The problem is he is starting to copy with the dependency, when he's naturally a kid that likes to be independent. At 2 he could get himself almost dressed, now apparently he can't like his older brother.

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TheAmusedQuail · 12/03/2025 11:35

ND child (7) does best with one word instructions. I literally bark 'SHOES' at him. (Or coat, eat, trousers, bottle etc). If I keep it ultra simple he'll do it. If I do a sentence or try a chat, nope.

I think the ADHD means his brain can't cope with more.

The neighbours must think I'm a harsh mum, but honestly, it works.

Namechange09090 · 12/03/2025 11:32

I still struggle with my autistic 16yo DS but think he's taking the piss at this point.

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