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MarioJumbo · 12/03/2025 08:53

Some time ago I had a convo with a friend on the subject of bullying.

He had always lacked confidence and had been a victim of bullying at school and apparently had never fitted in. I never went to his school so don’t know this first hand just took his word for it. At the time he was 26, lived with his parents and desperate for friends and company. He also had no experience sexually or romantically aged 26 in relationships so was very conscious of this - he presented as a lonely man and his conversations reflected that.

We were discussing one day what would make someone more prone to being a victim of bullying generally and I said is it someone with no friends?

He said “not exactly someone with no friends”. He went on to say “someone who is unsure”.

I was a bit surprised by this - given his seeming desperation to make friends and meet people all the time I thought he’d see a ‘friendless’ state or being a loner as undesirable.

However, I actually agree with him because at times in the past when I’ve been a bit of a ‘loner’ but had more inner confidence, I’ve actually been more popular with people whereas when I’ve been clinging to the edge of groups and with no friends I’ve been less popular. Any thoughts?

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EyesDownFullHouse · 14/04/2025 12:33

IthinkIamAnAlien · 14/04/2025 12:24

This is such an interesting thread, I have been bullied a number of times in my life. I realise, late on, that I am neurodivergent and that my dysfunctional childhood means that I am quiet and often hold back on saying something because I don't want to be wrong and because I have low self esteem.

It happened again just last week at an art group where some ghastly woman tried to insist that something was 'wrong' in my art and went on and on saying I should change it. I avoided answering until, feeling forced to say something, said I hadn't finished that bit of the picture yet and anyway, I was waiting to speak to the teacher for guidance.

She got this physical 'attitude' on and then later criticised the art materials I had in a very sarcastic way. I will see her again this week and I now feel agitated and anxious. Why do people behave this way, if I see that someone is hesitant or anxious, I will try to be reassuring or helpful.

I'm so sorry this happened to you and shows that bullying doesn't stop in childhood. In fact in some ways it worsens with age, as the bullies learn new ways and methods of subtle acts of aggression which, unless you're the unfortunate recipient, will often go unnoticed and unchecked by others. If there is a positive in your situation, at least now you have been given the heads up and can plan accordingly. You know she will start again with the snippy comments so prepare an appropriate response in advance. How about, ' I'm happy with my art, I'm not inviting comments today thank you', or even a ' hmmmmm, interesting ...' Accompanied by a withering stare if you can't face a full verbal statement.

MarioJumbo · 14/04/2025 12:27

IthinkIamAnAlien · 14/04/2025 12:24

This is such an interesting thread, I have been bullied a number of times in my life. I realise, late on, that I am neurodivergent and that my dysfunctional childhood means that I am quiet and often hold back on saying something because I don't want to be wrong and because I have low self esteem.

It happened again just last week at an art group where some ghastly woman tried to insist that something was 'wrong' in my art and went on and on saying I should change it. I avoided answering until, feeling forced to say something, said I hadn't finished that bit of the picture yet and anyway, I was waiting to speak to the teacher for guidance.

She got this physical 'attitude' on and then later criticised the art materials I had in a very sarcastic way. I will see her again this week and I now feel agitated and anxious. Why do people behave this way, if I see that someone is hesitant or anxious, I will try to be reassuring or helpful.

Yes exactly- those women tho - just why??’

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IthinkIamAnAlien · 14/04/2025 12:24

This is such an interesting thread, I have been bullied a number of times in my life. I realise, late on, that I am neurodivergent and that my dysfunctional childhood means that I am quiet and often hold back on saying something because I don't want to be wrong and because I have low self esteem.

It happened again just last week at an art group where some ghastly woman tried to insist that something was 'wrong' in my art and went on and on saying I should change it. I avoided answering until, feeling forced to say something, said I hadn't finished that bit of the picture yet and anyway, I was waiting to speak to the teacher for guidance.

She got this physical 'attitude' on and then later criticised the art materials I had in a very sarcastic way. I will see her again this week and I now feel agitated and anxious. Why do people behave this way, if I see that someone is hesitant or anxious, I will try to be reassuring or helpful.

MarioJumbo · 16/03/2025 09:13

I think even something subtle as a firmer tone of voice helps ward off bullies.

My mum’s cousin bullied me and the type that played victim when I was showing signs of pulling away from her.

Once she phoned up - too much time on her havds! - I was basically polite/respectful - but my tone of voice - instead of pandering and fawning - was more

“yes… and ?” - I didn’t say those words but my tone was firm and no nonsense and as if I was effectively saying “why on earth are you phoning?”

when I said that she was immediately wrongfooted and speechless - a first for her!

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MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 17:44

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 17:03

Definitely hit the bully back. If a bully is rude or nasty ask them to repeat what they have said as you don’t understand what they mean . This can take the wind out their sails . Or call them out as in “ What a nasty mind you have “
or “Are you having a bad day “ or “ How spiteful “ . Or sarcasm “ Really how interesting “ or “ Quite “. laughing at them can make them look foolish too .

It’s great when they’re wrong footed when you ask them to repeat what they said!

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Mhtr · 14/03/2025 17:42

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 17:03

Definitely hit the bully back. If a bully is rude or nasty ask them to repeat what they have said as you don’t understand what they mean . This can take the wind out their sails . Or call them out as in “ What a nasty mind you have “
or “Are you having a bad day “ or “ How spiteful “ . Or sarcasm “ Really how interesting “ or “ Quite “. laughing at them can make them look foolish too .

Always always stand up to them

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 17:03

Definitely hit the bully back. If a bully is rude or nasty ask them to repeat what they have said as you don’t understand what they mean . This can take the wind out their sails . Or call them out as in “ What a nasty mind you have “
or “Are you having a bad day “ or “ How spiteful “ . Or sarcasm “ Really how interesting “ or “ Quite “. laughing at them can make them look foolish too .

LSTMS30555 · 14/03/2025 16:39

Member869894 · 12/03/2025 12:30

Interesting question. I've worked with hundreds of victims of domestic abuse and the one thing I would say all of them lacked was self esteem. I think abusers and bullies somehow sniff out this in someone and home in. As.a mother I am trying to instill self esteem in my children (boys and girls) to protect them against bullies and abusers

What a stupid thing to say obviously by the time you've spoke to those victims they've been reduced to a shell of themselves and have had their self esteem depleted by their abuser.

I can guarantee they weren't like that when they met their abuser.

Mhtr · 14/03/2025 16:34

I still whole heartedly support giving the bully a pasting. If you're weaker than them, go train some martial arts. If you lose, you lose. It's unfortunate, it sucks but make an attempt. They say something rude, you be rude back.

My DS hit a bully after months of abuse and getting others to join in on the mocking and excluding. It gave him a sense of relief to know that he gave the bully what he deserved.

Mhtr · 14/03/2025 16:19

MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 15:56

I told my bully to fuck off and later on she rallied her huge ‘group’ because she was unhappy with what I’d said

What's she's doing now later in life?

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 15:56

Some times people with a strong personality can be targeted as the bully sees it as a challenge to break the strong personality and grind the person down . .

MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 15:56

EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/03/2025 15:44

Weaker children hitting their bully back, rarely stops bullying unless it is a whopper, which is unlikely.
Most bullies have a group, that'll take over.
Martial art training is a deterrent.
It's sad that some people become targets, you have to hope that others around it, call it out.
I'm always on the victims side and would definitely call it out ot stop it.

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I told my bully to fuck off and later on she rallied her huge ‘group’ because she was unhappy with what I’d said

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 14/03/2025 15:44

Weaker children hitting their bully back, rarely stops bullying unless it is a whopper, which is unlikely.
Most bullies have a group, that'll take over.
Martial art training is a deterrent.
It's sad that some people become targets, you have to hope that others around it, call it out.
I'm always on the victims side and would definitely call it out ot stop it.

EyesDownFullHouse · 14/03/2025 15:39

MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 15:23

I think it’s ok to be different in some way - that won’t necessarily get you bullied in itself - but if this is the case you must have a strong personality - or a relatively strong personality to go with it.

if you’ve got a difference - yours only vulnerable to bullying if you’ve got a weak personality as well.

I agree with you. I've known people in the past who would be regarded as ' odd' or were ND or were just happier as a lone wolf etc BUT they were not bullied for their differences, purely because they could shrug off mean comments or would quietly push back. They were secure in who they were I suppose and wouldn't react to any meanness, so bullies would leave them alone as they couldn't get a rise.

MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 15:23

I think it’s ok to be different in some way - that won’t necessarily get you bullied in itself - but if this is the case you must have a strong personality - or a relatively strong personality to go with it.

if you’ve got a difference - yours only vulnerable to bullying if you’ve got a weak personality as well.

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CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 14:03

@Mhtr

As was said above Neice beat the bully in the race . I think this child saw Neice as “Lesser”and didn’t like being beaten especially as it was assumed the bully would win .

It was basically nasty remarks made by the bully when no one was around , the bully triangulated, told lies and isolated my Niece and managed to turn her friendship group against her.

It turned physical too with sly shoves and pokes . The bully tried to create an uncomfortable unpleasant atmosphere for my Niece .

It ended when they all left school and my Niece went to Uni in a different city .

It was sheer frustration for my Niece as she knew who was behind it but teachers would not accept it .

Mhtr · 14/03/2025 12:55

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 10:38

A lot of bullies are sly too , presenting as the picture of innocence to other people . They are good at planting seeds in other peoples heads and manipulating them to bully people. Then when it all erupts standing back and denying all knowledge of what's been going on . They are the most dangerous types as people don't believe they are capable of it .

My Niece was targeted in this way but the teachers would not have it that the child concerned would behave in this way as she presented as smiley , bubbly and came from a good home in an affluent part of the City . The child was a clever narcissist manipulator and got away with it . It all started because my Niece narrowly beat her in a race and we all know narcs have to be top dogs .

What happened?

EyesDownFullHouse · 14/03/2025 12:37

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 10:38

A lot of bullies are sly too , presenting as the picture of innocence to other people . They are good at planting seeds in other peoples heads and manipulating them to bully people. Then when it all erupts standing back and denying all knowledge of what's been going on . They are the most dangerous types as people don't believe they are capable of it .

My Niece was targeted in this way but the teachers would not have it that the child concerned would behave in this way as she presented as smiley , bubbly and came from a good home in an affluent part of the City . The child was a clever narcissist manipulator and got away with it . It all started because my Niece narrowly beat her in a race and we all know narcs have to be top dogs .

You've captured the insidious nature of bullying really well. Most bullying isn't done openly, it's done covertly so very difficult to prove and challenge.

MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 12:35

loadalaundry · 14/03/2025 10:49

confidence and not giving a shit.

if you are different in anyway then a bully can exploit it but not every dc with a difference will be bullied because some are less bothered.

So true

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MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 12:33

loadalaundry · 14/03/2025 10:54

As extremely abhorrent as it is I think having poor body posture might contribute, not having confident body language ie head up, shoulders back, chin up. Shy closed body language won’t help

I grew up in a then rough part of London. Was taught to walk with purpose & not to shrink in anyway. I think it helps.

I think it definitely helps

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MarioJumbo · 14/03/2025 12:31

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 10:38

A lot of bullies are sly too , presenting as the picture of innocence to other people . They are good at planting seeds in other peoples heads and manipulating them to bully people. Then when it all erupts standing back and denying all knowledge of what's been going on . They are the most dangerous types as people don't believe they are capable of it .

My Niece was targeted in this way but the teachers would not have it that the child concerned would behave in this way as she presented as smiley , bubbly and came from a good home in an affluent part of the City . The child was a clever narcissist manipulator and got away with it . It all started because my Niece narrowly beat her in a race and we all know narcs have to be top dogs .

Yes so true unfortunately ❤️

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loadalaundry · 14/03/2025 10:54

As extremely abhorrent as it is I think having poor body posture might contribute, not having confident body language ie head up, shoulders back, chin up. Shy closed body language won’t help

I grew up in a then rough part of London. Was taught to walk with purpose & not to shrink in anyway. I think it helps.

loadalaundry · 14/03/2025 10:49

confidence and not giving a shit.

if you are different in anyway then a bully can exploit it but not every dc with a difference will be bullied because some are less bothered.

CrumpledInkBlott · 14/03/2025 10:38

A lot of bullies are sly too , presenting as the picture of innocence to other people . They are good at planting seeds in other peoples heads and manipulating them to bully people. Then when it all erupts standing back and denying all knowledge of what's been going on . They are the most dangerous types as people don't believe they are capable of it .

My Niece was targeted in this way but the teachers would not have it that the child concerned would behave in this way as she presented as smiley , bubbly and came from a good home in an affluent part of the City . The child was a clever narcissist manipulator and got away with it . It all started because my Niece narrowly beat her in a race and we all know narcs have to be top dogs .

MarioJumbo · 13/03/2025 20:30

Craftycorvid · 13/03/2025 19:25

Well, bullying was just seen as completely acceptable when I was at school, but being a victim of it was not. No one seemed to ask ‘why do some people feel the need to bully others?’ Lots of people said ‘what’s wrong with you that you deserve the bullying?’ Always seemed cock-eyed reasoning to me.

Yes .. me too

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