Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Shamed by HV for not exposing DD to a second language

358 replies

Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 07:21

I had DDs 12 months appointment yesterday. This time was better than previous times as she only managed to say something vaguely offensive 3 times during the 10 minute appointment.

However, there was one comment she made that filled me up with 'mum guilt' about not exposing DD to a second language. I live in a very multicultural area where most children are being brought learning 2 or 3 languages so seeing a child just speaking English is probably less common.

I speak good french (lived and worked in France for several years) but haven't used french for at least 4 years so am rusty! Speaking french with DD didn't feel natural compared to using my mother tongue. Now I am questioning whether that was a poor decision.

As a single mum I have a lot on my plate but I am thinking of starting to expose DD to some french.
My thoughts were:

  • Turning her doll into a francophone so when ever we play with it use french.
  • incorporating some simple everyday phrases into our daily routine
  • reading books in french in the morning during breakfast
  • listening to some nursery rhymes in french

Does this approach sound reasonable?

OP posts:
PurpleChrayn · 12/03/2025 10:06

That's crazy.

Unless at least one parent speaks the second language, there's no point.

LionME · 12/03/2025 10:06

@Skedaddledaway im bilingual as in French is my mother tongue. I spoke French the dcs and it was hard work. Teaching a child another language isn’t easy. And even though I’m not questioning your grammar etc.. I’m pretty sure your accent will show you’re British first. Which imo defeats the object.

Now I’d love to know. Are you in Britain?
Because if you are, then the ‘dint worry you’ll go to nursery soon’ is just …. Bonkers. They’re not going to teach your dc to speak another language there!

Azerothi · 12/03/2025 10:05

If you live in a multicultural area then there will be children who don't speak English at all and she is telling them the same thing - to learn another language namely English. This is so she can be seen as treating all children and families equally.

AnonAnon64 · 12/03/2025 10:04

I had a couple of awful visits from health visitors and looking back I should have asked to leave.

I also know a girl who is a health visitor and she is as mad as a box of frogs. She is very outspoken, and loud and I would hate to meet her as a health visitor. I would take zero notice of anything she said

ChaosAD · 12/03/2025 10:03

Where do you live? I'm all for children learning a second/third language but it would have to be of some benefit - there's little point in them learning French if their friends or community are speaking Polish or Urdu or Mandarin!
It was a bizarre thing for the health visitor to say without them giving some context. As someone else said, just nod and smile!

Treesinthewind · 12/03/2025 10:02

She's talking absolute 💩

Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 10:01

Ophy83 · 12/03/2025 10:00

You must live in quite a privileged area if this would be a concern to a HV. Normally they are worried about actual issues - development, hearing, speech, nutrition, abuse etc.

Actually it's the opposite. It's one of the most deprived areas in London.

OP posts:
dottydodah · 12/03/2025 10:01

My friend spoke in her native language to their child while at home .However they never spoke a word ! I would not worry .Tell HV you dont feel able to do this ATM and leave it like that

Ophy83 · 12/03/2025 10:00

You must live in quite a privileged area if this would be a concern to a HV. Normally they are worried about actual issues - development, hearing, speech, nutrition, abuse etc.

Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 09:59

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Except it isn't 🙄

OP posts:
MzHz · 12/03/2025 09:57

@Skedaddledaway my dear girl, wtf are you doing entertaining this lunatic?

your child is now 1yo, just stop going to the HV and IF anyone says anything TELL THEM that you found her rude, ridiculously judgemental, ill informed and irrelevant (talking bottles/cows milk when you’ve literally just told her you’re breastfeeding)

you don’t have to do this, you really don’t. As long as the vaccinations are up to date, you’re fine.

if I were you I would have summoned my very best French for Fuck off and when you get there, fuck off some more

I speak Portuguese fluently. My ds dad used to get abusive and nasty if I spoke Portuguese, or if anyone around me did. Ok so I left him, but but when I found classes for DS to attend as a young child, he just didn’t take to languages in the same way I do. It’s not his thing. He’s more musical than I am.

new mums get bullied by people like your HV, just stop going. It’s not mandatory.

Stafanko · 12/03/2025 09:55

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Frostynoman · 12/03/2025 09:53

The HV is being an idiot. Ignore her.

Triptraptrippytap · 12/03/2025 09:53

Perfect, another HV bashing thread!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/03/2025 09:53

Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 07:36

HV said I was "letting DD down" because babies can take in up to 5 languages at this age

She's an utter loon.

Best ignored

Owl55 · 12/03/2025 09:52

Ask the H V to come round and demonstrate how to introduce another language maybe The most obscure you can think of!!

Shoemadlady · 12/03/2025 09:49

This is rubbish. As a parent children should only be exposed to the mother tongue of their parents, or if you were French, always speak French and if your husband is English, he always speaks English.
I live in a very multicultural city too and wasn't going to start teaching my 1 year old another random language.
Ignore the health visitor, they are so often full of shit!

TrickyD · 12/03/2025 09:48

DH got his first job after university. We bought an old, small, cottage in a new town and were in the middle of having two rooms knocked together when HV paid her first visit.

Our builder was not very tidy; HV found me, 8month old, and two year old all scrabbling around in a mess of bricks plaster and Accro supports. She was obviously and unsurprisingly appalled, I could feel SS beckoning.

Then she asked what my DH did. Teacher at local top grammar school.
Audible sigh of relief. Clearly we were ‘bohemian’ rather than neglectful.

She went away perfectly happy, we never saw her again. Boys survived.

RosesAndHellebores · 12/03/2025 09:47

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 12/03/2025 09:39

Some people, HVs or otherwise, know how to poke the mum guilt area, a particularly sensitive spot in new mothers who are already regretting having deprived their baby of enough womb-time listening to Bach and chanted times tables.

New mothers need reassurance not unsolicited guilt-tripping. Nobody tells a cat they have to miaow in different languages or they are short-changing their kittens.

This 100%. It is reprehensible that HV’s, an unsolicited universal service are allowed to share anything other than robust advice with a basis in evidenced research to new mothers who are often at their most vulnerable and desperate for a sensible steer in the right direction to build confidence in their mothering.

northernballer · 12/03/2025 09:45

I have the same level of French as you and didn't speak it to my children as I didn't want to have to be thinking of what I was saying all the time, I wanted to speak in my own language

The HV sounds ridiculous.

MaggieBsBoat · 12/03/2025 09:42

Deerrobin · 12/03/2025 07:28

What did the HV actually say?

This.
You can’t shame a mother for speaking her mother tongue with her child.
Also it is normal to have one language in the UK.
I speak more than one language, my children are bilingual. BUT I only speak English with my kids as that is my mother tongue. Living several years in France doesn’t cut it.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 12/03/2025 09:39

Some people, HVs or otherwise, know how to poke the mum guilt area, a particularly sensitive spot in new mothers who are already regretting having deprived their baby of enough womb-time listening to Bach and chanted times tables.

New mothers need reassurance not unsolicited guilt-tripping. Nobody tells a cat they have to miaow in different languages or they are short-changing their kittens.

User79853257976 · 12/03/2025 09:38

It doesn’t sound like she ‘shamed’ you.

Caddycat · 12/03/2025 09:37

Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 09:24

Thanks! That was what I was aiming for with the doll approach. To make it into a fun secret language, not necessarily aiming for fluency. I can still remember the snippets of Welsh my grandma used to speak to me. I still read and write in french most days but I haven't had a need to speak it for a long time so it feels unnatural and clunky in my mouth

How about you listen to the radio/tv/podcasts in French? It will help you feeling less rusty and will expose her too. We played lots of french nursery rhymes and when she was a bit older we listen to "kids" stuff - Kids United were a big thing back then, but she discovered lots of other artists too via spotify... Doing things in french for you will expose her indirectly and will take the load off you too.

Tootjaskoot · 12/03/2025 09:36

I haven’t RTFT, so apologies if things have moved on, but I just wanted to say this:

I am a multilingualism researcher focusing on families with preschool aged children. I am a huge proponent of multilingualism.

Your HV has given you very very strange information / advice. Absolute best practice for all concerned is to primarily use your first language (mother tongue) with your child.

You could introduce the concept of other languages with a much older preschooler just for fun, but you should absolutely not think that you should be using a language that is not one of your own first languages with your child.

Do not feel guilty, ignore the very poor advice you’ve been given by the HV.