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Shamed by HV for not exposing DD to a second language

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Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 07:21

I had DDs 12 months appointment yesterday. This time was better than previous times as she only managed to say something vaguely offensive 3 times during the 10 minute appointment.

However, there was one comment she made that filled me up with 'mum guilt' about not exposing DD to a second language. I live in a very multicultural area where most children are being brought learning 2 or 3 languages so seeing a child just speaking English is probably less common.

I speak good french (lived and worked in France for several years) but haven't used french for at least 4 years so am rusty! Speaking french with DD didn't feel natural compared to using my mother tongue. Now I am questioning whether that was a poor decision.

As a single mum I have a lot on my plate but I am thinking of starting to expose DD to some french.
My thoughts were:

  • Turning her doll into a francophone so when ever we play with it use french.
  • incorporating some simple everyday phrases into our daily routine
  • reading books in french in the morning during breakfast
  • listening to some nursery rhymes in french

Does this approach sound reasonable?

OP posts:
Skedaddledaway · 12/03/2025 08:17

Scottishgirl85 · 12/03/2025 08:11

Wtaf am I reading?
I'm struggling to believe this actually happened. I think you might have misunderstood, OP? Nobody is teaching their 1 year old multiple languages unless they speak multiple at home already.

Edited

Well it happened.

This was the same lady who said this:
"are you still breastfeeding?"
Yes
"Good, keep breastfeeding"
"Dont use a bottle anymore, use a free flow cup"
Okay, no problem. Didnt use a bottle as breastfed.
" She can have full fat cows milk. You can heat it up and give it to her in a bottle"
Ay up.? 🤦

OP posts:
MumoftwoGranofone · 12/03/2025 08:17

As someone in a professional position she should not have made those comments and I would complain if you are strong enough.

SleeplessinPendle · 12/03/2025 08:15

The advice to raise a DC bilingual would be to speak to your DC in French all the time and let them pick up English at nursery/school. That would obviously be silly in your circumstances. Although the HV visits lots of bilingual DC, it sounds like she doesn't know what she is talking about. I would raise this, not just to complain but so this can be addressed with HV so that she isn't sharing the wrong advice with other parents.

Maddy70 · 12/03/2025 08:15

Those saying it's not a thing definitely don't live in areas such as where I live where it's common to be fluent in at least the two main languages and also a good understanding of English . They will be at a huge disadvantage when they get to school if they dont.
It's also easier when little than learning later.

Just get her to learn the two or three words for each thing eg where I live a dog would be called "dog" "gos" "perro"

She will mix the languages up when talking but it doesn't matter, it all comes together.

Watch kids programs in both languages

Printedword · 12/03/2025 08:14

I think I'm still asleep and imagining I'm reading this peak Mumsnet nonsense thread.

VickyEadieofThigh · 12/03/2025 08:12

I feel like I've wandered into an episode of Amandaland...

Scottishgirl85 · 12/03/2025 08:11

Wtaf am I reading?
I'm struggling to believe this actually happened. I think you might have misunderstood, OP? Nobody is teaching their 1 year old multiple languages unless they speak multiple at home already.

CurlewKate · 12/03/2025 08:11

"HV are to be ignored."

No they aren't. But what they say is often misinterpreted. Either accidentally or maliciously.

I would put money on a HV not saying that the OP should be speaking a language she hardly knows to her child and "shaming" her for not doing so.

TooManyCupsAndMugs · 12/03/2025 08:10

Bushmillsbabe · 12/03/2025 08:04

It is known that billingual children will initially be slower to learn both languages than if just learn 1, especially if the languages have completly different structures, but by 5 their English will be as good as a child who only speaks English. So she wasn't completly wrong, but should have been clearer in her explanation.

Yes, I know that and knew it at the time. But when a health professional is using words like "backwards" and making out that they will have problems starting school, you freak out. A few of my bilingual friend mothers had the same issue as me but they were strong enough to tell them to do one. I wasn't!

HoppingPavlova · 12/03/2025 08:09

I’ve only ever known this to be a thing when one parent is a native speaker of a language other than English. Then that parent only ever speaks to the kids in their language and gets the kids to speak back to them in it. I’ve never known it to happen when someone is not a native speaker.

Middleagedstriker · 12/03/2025 08:09

She sounds a twat. One of my HVs was an absolute tool.
She told me never to leave a window open in the house (even during a heat wave upstairs) because babies were being stolen through open windows. This was in the UK and no they weren't. She also said that having dogs would give the children asthma.
Just smile and ignore.

NC10125 · 12/03/2025 08:08

This is madness - completely ignore the health visitor.

It is really important for children's language learning for them to hear correctly modeled language from a native speaker around them. It's the reason that second-generation children often still have accents/errors in speech (if parents speak English as a second language at home) and the reason that so many multi-national couples do one-parent-one-language (each parent correctly modelling their mother tongue).

Your dd needs you to speak your first language to her, correctly and often - nothing else.

If you want to put on some french cartoons or teach her a few french words for fun then go ahead and do that - its a lovely activity - but if you're both English living in England the HV is absolutely mental to think that you can raise a bilingual child!

roseyposey · 12/03/2025 08:07

Great username OP

@Skedaddledaway

Donde estas?

MyHappyGreenAnt · 12/03/2025 08:07

Was this Camden?! I had this and thought it was hilarious. Unfortunately I don't have any language skills whatsoever so I think she was suggesting I hire a nanny to plug that gap.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 12/03/2025 08:06

I’m skeptical. Are we using the word ‘shamed’ a little liberally here….

Zippidydoodah · 12/03/2025 08:06

She sounds like a dick.

i could understand if you were a truly bilingual family. Lots of families I work with are bilingual because they have English as an additional language, for example. But if you’re an English person living in England…….you’re doing nothing wrong. Ffs.

Jk987 · 12/03/2025 08:05

What country do you live in?

Is Dad a different nationality and so baby could learn his language (if he's still in her life)

Otherwise I can't think of a reason.

Bushmillsbabe · 12/03/2025 08:04

TooManyCupsAndMugs · 12/03/2025 07:58

I had the opposite happen to me - health care authorities told me that my 3 year old child was "backwards" and "will not be ready for school" as we were trying to make them bilingual (one parent is ESOL). We freaked out and abandoned the second language, speaking to them exclusively in English. They now don't speak the parent's other language, which is a shame.

It is known that billingual children will initially be slower to learn both languages than if just learn 1, especially if the languages have completly different structures, but by 5 their English will be as good as a child who only speaks English. So she wasn't completly wrong, but should have been clearer in her explanation.

Monr0e · 12/03/2025 08:03

After those comments, I'd be complaining about your health visitor.

And I'm a health visitor.

2025willbemytime · 12/03/2025 08:03

Downbadatthegym · 12/03/2025 08:02

I think they do teach a second language from reception level now, I’m not sure to what extent though but many primary children I know are learning French or Spanish. They are at state schools.

That's brilliant. Mine are at uni or in work so it's been a while.

Darkrestlessness · 12/03/2025 08:03

I think you have to develop a thick skin - looking back some of the things that people have said to me including teachers, HV and midwives, as a new Mum people tend to come out with all sorts of rubbish to you and it really makes you question yourself. I was only pregnant once but if I'd had a second time I would have been a lot less vulnerable to the nonsense they spout.

Loveanewusername · 12/03/2025 08:02

lol

that’s my only thought on that one….

no changed my mind you should have fired back with

“ I’m sorry, but it’s absolute nonsense that I don’t expose her to a second language, for example, she’s been exposed to some fluent bullshit this very moment’

op , calm down it’s not a thing . If she’s exposed , great , if not , great ! Honestly there’s more important things

Downbadatthegym · 12/03/2025 08:02

2025willbemytime · 12/03/2025 07:59

If you have the ability to expose your child to more than one language then it is a shame it isn't done. I wonder why foreign languages aren't taught from reception as little ones are like sponges. They pick things up so quickly. My children had a Spanish TA and my son especially picked up a lot and when he took it at GCSE level he got a 9. He travels a lot for work and pleasure and it's been a great extra that he can speak to locals as he picks up languages so easily.

I think they do teach a second language from reception level now, I’m not sure to what extent though but many primary children I know are learning French or Spanish. They are at state schools.

Everydayimhuffling · 12/03/2025 08:01

What you are thinking of doing sounds lovely and fun. However, your HV sounds deeply unreasonable as they so often seem to be. Don't feel like you need to give her any headspace if you don't want to.

Bushmillsbabe · 12/03/2025 08:00

buffyajp · 12/03/2025 07:51

Disagree. HV’s should not be giving their personal opinion unless asked. It should be professional advice. It’s actually part of their NMC code of conduct so she is skating on very thin ice. It absolutely is shaming in the way that she said it and if she criticises others new mums parenting in that manner then it could destroy someone already risk of post partum depression. HV’s need to be very careful how they phrase things.

Absolutely. The HV who told me 'feeding formula was the same as feeding mcdonalds, OK occasionally but not every day' made me feel like the worst mum ever, especially as it wasn't my choice, my first needed specialist formula for medical reasons.
I wouldn't say it caused my PND but definitely contributed to it. Looking back I can see how ridiculous it was for her to say that, but when hormonal and severely sleep deprived, I took it to heart.