AIBU to feel outraged that Kyle Clifford is able to refuse to attend court today?

You wonder about the mentality of these women. Wasn’t there someone who was planning on marrying Levi Bellfield recently?

haven't read the whole thread but thought this was going to be stopped after Letby did exactly the same thing. These monsters delight in inflicting misery on others but are nothing but cowards

Carers will come into the prison and help him. Similar to a package of care that someone would have in the community with carers coming into their home.

The worrying thing is they'll be some women, although not necessarily those exact ones writing to him in prison. I know that Peter Sutcliffe was never short of a fan letter.

You can read John Hunt’s full statement here - obviously please be aware you may find it distressing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydwr859dgo

With his disability will he be in the general prison population or will he spend his whole sentence on some sort of more cushy medical wing?

I get he isn’t ill but I assume he needs care of some sort and sadly it will probably be decided he needs to be protected from the general prison population as he can’t defend himself against attacks.

Yes - luckily Hannah interrupted his plan. He didn’t foresee Hannah walking in at the precise moment he killed Louise. As a result, Hannah was able to raise the alarm.

After he attacked Hannah, he likely realised she already called for help which is why he went on the run and abandoned the rest of his plan. I think he would have interfered with the CCTV at least, had he not been spooked.

In terms of attraction, he’s been raised in a household where he felt he was god’s gift. He was likely confident and charming when he wants to be. I have to question the values in his own family and the role they played in all this? It is concerning that his brother is also a callous murderer that they didn’t condemn. Seems the sort of culture where men can do no wrong.

I can easily imagine how he had a plethora women on the go. He is not hideous and as we see the dating bar for men seems to be in hell.

Those other women had a lucky escape.

Out of interest - why does it matter? Why has it elicited this response in you?

I just want him in jail for life - the reality is him hearing the sentencing or not doesn’t really impact anything does it?

Very possibly.

I do wonder if some murderers would just get a kick out of the impact statements.

I agree. The dickwad didn't manage to finish himself off. I'm glad he's paralysed and I hope he is left to rot. Can't stop thinking about those poor defenceless women.

I think quite a lot of disabled people are able to do that sort of stuff independently. It's a learned skill obviously but they find a way.

How does he manage himself in a wheelchair if nobody helps?

Getting into bed and out, showering etc?????

It's also chilling how he had asked if John was home when he went to the house, googled if there was any horse racing taking place that day and then text him from Louise's phone to ask when he'd be coming home. As if 3 victims from the same family weren't enough. And as JH said in court, if it weren't for Hannah's strength and bravery it may well have gone that way.

It was said he thought about burning the house down bit changed his mind.....

How on earth did he have 2 other women on the go as well, what was the attraction?

I saw that but it seemed to be snippets as opposed to the full remarks. Usually a full statement and video is posted of everything the judge concluded.

edit - telegraph has the video: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/11/kyle-clifford-crossbow-sentencing/

@Lalgarh I wonder how life is for their mother. I won't jump to the assumption this is all her fault in any way shape or form. Not without sufficient facts.

What an outcome for her.( If she's around). Horrible and horrendous if she is not the same as these two men.

This is the most disgusting crime I have come across. Kyle tortured Louise to an unbelievable extent. She was aware that he murdered her mum. Louise was killed next to her mother. Whilst he had restrained and raped Louise, she was likely wanting to check on her mum and seek medical help for her? I can’t fathom what Louise must have felt.

I noticed that he had 6 crossbow bullets. I think his game plan was to murder the entire Hunt family as he had just enough bullets for all of them & him. I don’t think he ever genuinely wanted to kill himself; he was only going to doing something to himself if he got caught. I reckon he purposely shot himself in a non-fatal manner, given he knew exactly what would have been fatal force.

One thing I find unnerving is how calm and soft spoken he seemed to be in the CCTV footage. A true psychopath

Is he going to be in the same prison as his brother, who also got convicted for murder

https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-cliffords-brother-is-convicted-murderer-serving-life-sentence-13176433

Are you volunteering to be the one to fit it, and will you be expecting paid time off and compensation if he bites you badly enough?

Yes this needs to be played on loop.

The reality is, they aren't going to. It's hard enough to get that level of support in hospital, seriously. He's going to be on his own with that.

@PassingStranger "Play the sentence in his cell on a loudspeaker where he can't get away from it then.It's only right that somehow he should have to listen."

I know that we were on different sides on the death penalty thread, but I fully agree with you here.

Are you in all seriousness reading this thread, and from that, determining as your primary reflection, that the females on here describing rather mild violence quite frankly in response to this guy's ongoing abuse is a problem?

Could you discern that females here are not actually going to make up placards with images of his limp dick being zapped to oblivion with electrodes, and then go protest in order to enact this legislative change they're envisaging? ( See what I did there 😉).

Can we discern that this is not a 5 year old child. That this is a scary male, a representation that ignites alot of fear in women, and that a sense of control is regained in processing and discussing justice fantasies.

I've watched too many horrors if you think our scenarios are disturbing 😬😆.