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To be so annoyed at this woman's financial incompetence

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LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 10:32

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mailplus/article-14476595/six-figure-salary-rich-comfortable-heres-why.html?ico=mol_mobile_home&login&signinStatus=registered&signinMethod=google&dataCaptured=true&flowVariant=social_registration_nosubscribe#

For 1 person:
£500 on food
£750 on car expenses
£650 on cost of dog ownership
'a few holidays per year'
£250 cleaner

£200 pension (not enough!)

I'm just so fed up of all these well-paid financially illiterate people writing sob stories for the telegraph/daily mail about how they can't survive on their salaries.

This woman complaining about her £100000 salary not being enough could save £2100 per month if she bought a sensible car, didn't have dogs/a cleaner and took in a lodger.

With £2100 she could pay off her 23 year mortgage in just over 5 years OR
Retire at 68 with a pension pot in today's money of ~£1460000 (i.e. retirement income of £58000 per year in today's money). Not including money already saved in a pension.

If I assume she has saved £200/month into a pension for her whole career, she would have ~£427000 at retirement, enough for £17000 a year private pension, which given her extremely high expenditure.is simply not enough.

She thinks earning £20000-£40000 more would be enough but this is an expenditure, rather than income issue.

I'm just fed up of these people complaining. I suspect they'll end up poor in retirement, having never learned to live within their means with the rest of us paying for their stupidity.

I earn a six-figure salary but it just isn't enough. And here's why...

A meagre two per cent of people in the UK earn above £100,000, according to the ONS. But here, solicitor Kate Flounders explains why her six-figure salary leaves her wanting more...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mailplus/article-14476595/six-figure-salary-rich-comfortable-heres-why.html?dataCaptured=true&flowVariant=social_registration_nosubscribe&ico=mol_mobile_home&login=&signinMethod=google&signinStatus=registered#

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tropicalroses · 11/03/2025 15:12

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:30

Well we had a lodger back in the day we had a household income of around £110000 and no children.

The money from the rent a room scheme was tax free. We have children now so wouldn't do it while they are still at home, but if a single person the woman in the article's age paying 40% marginal rate put £600 in their pension per month, it would be topped up to £1000.

£1000 extra pension contributions per month in a SIPP (self-invested pension) for the 24 years she would have left until retirement would give around £534000 total, or assuming a drawdown rate of 4% annually, ~£21000 in additional income in retirement in today's money.

I would argue that it can be immensely valuable for a single person paying higher rate tax to take a lodger, assuming they are comfortable with doing so and their circumstances permit it.

On another thread someone was complaining about "the singles tax" and how much more expensive everything is when you're on your own. Many posters pointed out that you do have the luxury of your own space, and that is the trade off for having no financial back up, and paying more. Now you don't even want single people to have their own space.

I think the point of the article is £100k a year is a lot of money, no one on that sort of salary should be having to budget or cut corners. It's an insane time we live in

Whathappen · 11/03/2025 15:09

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RafaFan · 11/03/2025 15:04

As an accountant, I am always astonished by the amount of people who are really high earners, yet do not save anything, or make use of tax deferral/tax saving options to plan for the future.

HPFA · 11/03/2025 14:59

I actually do get that house prices and childcare costs have meant salaries don't go as far as they used to.

But the Daily Mail/Telegraph also continue to tell us that it's possible to live the high life on the very small sums available to people disabled etc and they're generally not keen on building more houses!

If we keep doing the things that make us poorer - Brexit, austerity, getting rid of social housing - then eventually everyone gets poorer even if they think that it's other people who deserve the poverty and not themselves.

Whathappen · 11/03/2025 14:53

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LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:47

tallhotpinkflamingo · 11/03/2025 14:24

You can get therapy or other help for that, it sounds like you have a scarcity mindset. "Pathologically fearful" isn't a way to live. Money is one of the biggest resources on the planet and it's only increasing.

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Thanks for response. I probably need all sorts of therapy for other reasons but I'm probably not as worried as I'm making out. We do spend money on some sports/hobbies that we enjoy and had an overseas holiday last year. I just couldn't even contemplate using up all our take-home money for a few months - it would be such a different way of thinking for us as cautious people.

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2024onwardsandup · 11/03/2025 14:43

OP have you ever been single and worked in a high pressured and stressful job?

There no one else to share the cooking, or organising the bills, or gardening, or cleaning, or dog walking, shopping, meal planning

Bring single is expensive and being single with limited down time is even more expensive.

You've revealed your own pathological issues with money rather than hers

melonalone · 11/03/2025 14:37

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:30

Well we had a lodger back in the day we had a household income of around £110000 and no children.

The money from the rent a room scheme was tax free. We have children now so wouldn't do it while they are still at home, but if a single person the woman in the article's age paying 40% marginal rate put £600 in their pension per month, it would be topped up to £1000.

£1000 extra pension contributions per month in a SIPP (self-invested pension) for the 24 years she would have left until retirement would give around £534000 total, or assuming a drawdown rate of 4% annually, ~£21000 in additional income in retirement in today's money.

I would argue that it can be immensely valuable for a single person paying higher rate tax to take a lodger, assuming they are comfortable with doing so and their circumstances permit it.

You sound like the exception rather than the rule. Most people don’t want a stranger in their home, and don’t work hard to earn a salary of £100K to come home to a shared space.

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LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:30

melonalone · 11/03/2025 14:22

Sorry but suggesting someone on £100K takes in a lodger is ridiculous. How much do you have to earn before mumsnetters stop suggesting a bloody lodger??

Well we had a lodger back in the day we had a household income of around £110000 and no children.

The money from the rent a room scheme was tax free. We have children now so wouldn't do it while they are still at home, but if a single person the woman in the article's age paying 40% marginal rate put £600 in their pension per month, it would be topped up to £1000.

£1000 extra pension contributions per month in a SIPP (self-invested pension) for the 24 years she would have left until retirement would give around £534000 total, or assuming a drawdown rate of 4% annually, ~£21000 in additional income in retirement in today's money.

I would argue that it can be immensely valuable for a single person paying higher rate tax to take a lodger, assuming they are comfortable with doing so and their circumstances permit it.

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MounjaMum · 11/03/2025 14:27

Everanewbie · 11/03/2025 14:11

I don't think you really understand what it is like for young families out there that are just buying homes and paying childcare. You've done well on a modest wage, but its harder for those starting off now.

Assuming no student loan and no pension contribution (both big assumptions) £100k brings in £5,713 pm.

Ave. South England house price £450,000 so say a mortgage of £2,000 pm
5 Day per week childcare £1,200 pm

That leaves c, £2,500 to cover food, bills, motoring, insurances, retirement planning.

You shouldn't be poor, but crikey this doesn't make you rich. We really must have some incentive for doing well.

To illustrate how ridiculous the tax system is, if the person in the article were to earn a n additional £26,000, she would only bring in an extra £834 per month. A rate of tax at more than 60%.

👆100 % this - it seems that unless people spend their money in the way that the OP finds wise and acceptable, then they are either stupid or illiterate. OP keeps going on about financial comfort and early retirement and having a good life after retirement but cannot understand that this person may want to have a good life now, not when she retires. I find her judgemental. OP if you cannot enjoy life a bit on your 190k household income, then you have a problem too. Do not project your pathological fear of spending money to enjoy life on others. Work on yourself.

tallhotpinkflamingo · 11/03/2025 14:24

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:03

She can spend her income whatever way makes her happy, I have no problem with that. The problem I have with the article is her assertion that she needs up to £40000 more money to be comfortable, when she is choosing to spend herself out of financial comfort.

Maybe it's a different understand of what comfort means. Financial comfort to me is the knowledge that I don't owe a penny to anyone and can retire early with a good quality of life. Someone in her position on a £100000 salary as a single person can achieve extraordinary financial comfort according to my definition.

I'd love to be more relaxed and spend money for enjoyment but I'm too pathologically fearful to enjoy spending money I'm afraid!

You can get therapy or other help for that, it sounds like you have a scarcity mindset. "Pathologically fearful" isn't a way to live. Money is one of the biggest resources on the planet and it's only increasing.

tallhotpinkflamingo · 11/03/2025 14:23

"Don't have dogs" is like saying "don't have children."

melonalone · 11/03/2025 14:22

Sorry but suggesting someone on £100K takes in a lodger is ridiculous. How much do you have to earn before mumsnetters stop suggesting a bloody lodger??

Everanewbie · 11/03/2025 14:11

KrankyKumquat · 11/03/2025 13:58

I haven't read the article as the summary is more than enough 🙄. I've never earned more than £40k but, at 58, have paid off the mortgage, have no other debts, never had an inheritance, will have 3 pensions with income of approximately £30k and I have savings. And a dog and no lodger.
If you can't manage on 100k, you're burning money on something not really necessary. That's the extent of it.

I don't think you really understand what it is like for young families out there that are just buying homes and paying childcare. You've done well on a modest wage, but its harder for those starting off now.

Assuming no student loan and no pension contribution (both big assumptions) £100k brings in £5,713 pm.

Ave. South England house price £450,000 so say a mortgage of £2,000 pm
5 Day per week childcare £1,200 pm

That leaves c, £2,500 to cover food, bills, motoring, insurances, retirement planning.

You shouldn't be poor, but crikey this doesn't make you rich. We really must have some incentive for doing well.

To illustrate how ridiculous the tax system is, if the person in the article were to earn a n additional £26,000, she would only bring in an extra £834 per month. A rate of tax at more than 60%.

Tricho · 11/03/2025 14:09

how in the fuck is she paying 1000 per month for "energy, water, TV, internet"

She's being mugged off somewhere

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 11/03/2025 14:07

The dog insurance is £250 per month. I paÿ £10 per month for critical illness cover for myself.

Not sure which of us is wide of the mark.

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:03

Twatalert · 11/03/2025 13:40

OP I don't get your issue. You have a healthy household income yourself, it's not like you are some nurse working just as hard and struggling to make ends meet. This woman is self sufficient. She bothers nobody. She does not rely on society to fund her. She doesn't spend her money to your liking, and you some here to complain. It says something about you, not her.

Maybe enjoy your high household income a bit more. Maybe live life a bit more. Maybe go crazy for six months and spend money on whatever you like. It feels good that way.

She can spend her income whatever way makes her happy, I have no problem with that. The problem I have with the article is her assertion that she needs up to £40000 more money to be comfortable, when she is choosing to spend herself out of financial comfort.

Maybe it's a different understand of what comfort means. Financial comfort to me is the knowledge that I don't owe a penny to anyone and can retire early with a good quality of life. Someone in her position on a £100000 salary as a single person can achieve extraordinary financial comfort according to my definition.

I'd love to be more relaxed and spend money for enjoyment but I'm too pathologically fearful to enjoy spending money I'm afraid!

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valder · 11/03/2025 14:01

Twatalert · 11/03/2025 13:46

@valder but what's sensible is subjective. To her it probably all makes sense and that's her way of enjoying life. She enjoys it so much she thinks she could do with another 40k to max out her enjoyment.

Maybe she'll drop dead in 10 years and never gets to have her pension. She would have made all the right choices today if that was to happen.

Yes, of course and I agree that we should live as we wish. However, it's not something I personally would speak to a Daily Mail journo about either! Obviously the piece is designed to foment RAGE amongst others less fortunate or more sensible! And so the clicks and comments follow. All according to plan....

KrankyKumquat · 11/03/2025 13:58

I haven't read the article as the summary is more than enough 🙄. I've never earned more than £40k but, at 58, have paid off the mortgage, have no other debts, never had an inheritance, will have 3 pensions with income of approximately £30k and I have savings. And a dog and no lodger.
If you can't manage on 100k, you're burning money on something not really necessary. That's the extent of it.

Badbadbunny · 11/03/2025 13:58

At least with the taxes she pays, she'll be a net contributor to the UK, unlike everyone else on average incomes and below who are net takers.

Twatalert · 11/03/2025 13:46

@valder but what's sensible is subjective. To her it probably all makes sense and that's her way of enjoying life. She enjoys it so much she thinks she could do with another 40k to max out her enjoyment.

Maybe she'll drop dead in 10 years and never gets to have her pension. She would have made all the right choices today if that was to happen.

valder · 11/03/2025 13:43

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 11:55

I respect that. Money buys a lot of freedom with sensible choices and delayed gratification.

I may have sounded smug there, but it's not that hard to be sensible. There's no need to be tight or frugal on a very good income either, just enjoy life within means and make sensible choices about what to spend it on.

Twatalert · 11/03/2025 13:40

OP I don't get your issue. You have a healthy household income yourself, it's not like you are some nurse working just as hard and struggling to make ends meet. This woman is self sufficient. She bothers nobody. She does not rely on society to fund her. She doesn't spend her money to your liking, and you some here to complain. It says something about you, not her.

Maybe enjoy your high household income a bit more. Maybe live life a bit more. Maybe go crazy for six months and spend money on whatever you like. It feels good that way.

Echobelly · 11/03/2025 13:37

I do get it can genuinely feel tight on £100k household income in expensive parts of UK if you have kids, a mortgage/rent on family-sized home and childcare, especially full time. But a single person? No, it shouldn't be that hard.

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