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To be so annoyed at this woman's financial incompetence

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LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 10:32

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mailplus/article-14476595/six-figure-salary-rich-comfortable-heres-why.html?ico=mol_mobile_home&login&signinStatus=registered&signinMethod=google&dataCaptured=true&flowVariant=social_registration_nosubscribe#

For 1 person:
£500 on food
£750 on car expenses
£650 on cost of dog ownership
'a few holidays per year'
£250 cleaner

£200 pension (not enough!)

I'm just so fed up of all these well-paid financially illiterate people writing sob stories for the telegraph/daily mail about how they can't survive on their salaries.

This woman complaining about her £100000 salary not being enough could save £2100 per month if she bought a sensible car, didn't have dogs/a cleaner and took in a lodger.

With £2100 she could pay off her 23 year mortgage in just over 5 years OR
Retire at 68 with a pension pot in today's money of ~£1460000 (i.e. retirement income of £58000 per year in today's money). Not including money already saved in a pension.

If I assume she has saved £200/month into a pension for her whole career, she would have ~£427000 at retirement, enough for £17000 a year private pension, which given her extremely high expenditure.is simply not enough.

She thinks earning £20000-£40000 more would be enough but this is an expenditure, rather than income issue.

I'm just fed up of these people complaining. I suspect they'll end up poor in retirement, having never learned to live within their means with the rest of us paying for their stupidity.

I earn a six-figure salary but it just isn't enough. And here's why...

A meagre two per cent of people in the UK earn above £100,000, according to the ONS. But here, solicitor Kate Flounders explains why her six-figure salary leaves her wanting more...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/mailplus/article-14476595/six-figure-salary-rich-comfortable-heres-why.html?dataCaptured=true&flowVariant=social_registration_nosubscribe&ico=mol_mobile_home&login=&signinMethod=google&signinStatus=registered#

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Paulettamcgee · 13/03/2025 19:24

angelspike · 11/03/2025 15:26

I get it. I'm single and earn min wage so I don't know how she thinks I (just about) cope when she can't on nearly 5 x my wage

But she won't be on nearly 5 times your wage once tax and NI are taken into account. More like 2.5 - 3 times min wage. Appreciate it still a lot of money and still more than your net salary, but I find on Mumsnet especially, people look solely at headline gross salary and not what net income result will be.

I had a friend who used to be very vocal about how much more than her I earned (she saw the ad published for my job with salary). We were both single parents of two children. But her part time salary, topped up with tax credits and housing benefit meant my so called big salary was £50 a month net more than all her income. I had the pleasure of working 39 hours a week against her 21. It was what it was. I chose to do the job I did and long term it has paid off well for me but it used to grate when she went on about how much money I had because of my big salary.

BlumminFreezin · 13/03/2025 19:16

I think 'boo fucking hoo' sums up my attitude to that article. Can't say I'm particularly annoyed about it, more rolly-eyed and a tad amused.

Utterly mortifying though, to parade your complete financial illiteracy to the world in that way 😳

LovingLimePeer · 13/03/2025 18:48

LittleBigHead · 13/03/2025 17:23

£2100 per month if she bought a sensible car, didn't have dogs/a cleaner and took in a lodger.

YABU.

Her point is absolutely valid: it is more expensive to live independently as a single person than as a couple.

So, she's supposed to give up having a dog? Even though she lives on her own and a dog is a good companion and an aid to safety (I have a dog who would guard me from intruders).

Ad I imagine to pull in the salary she earns, she doesn't have much time for domesticity, and no partner to share the load - so a cleaner is probably necessary to enable her to earn what she does.

And because she's single, she should take in a lodger? I know, let's force all of you on benefits to take in a lodger and get rid of your pets. Because, really, what are you complaining about?

She's paying for your benefits, by paying far more tax than a married couple.

People in couples have no.idea. Really you don't

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  1. I don't dispute that it is more expensive individually to live as a single person. Never have. I lived as a single person for many years earning £22000-£35000. I am well aware life is more expensive as a single person.
  1. I took a lodger while a higher rate payer. If someone doesn't mind sharing the space, £600/month is equivalent to more than a £12000 pay rise to a higher rate tax payer and can be used to put £1000 per month into a pension. It's not always a choice for the desperate. It can be a choice for those who want to maximise the pension benefits.
  1. My main issue with the article as previously stated is her complaint that she is not even comfortable on £100000 and that she would need £20000 to £40000 to even be comfortable. I disagree, she is spending her way out of comfort.
  1. I don't receive any benefits in the usual sense of the word. I'm ineligible for child benefit as my husband and I both earn above the threshold.
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LittleBigHead · 13/03/2025 17:23

£2100 per month if she bought a sensible car, didn't have dogs/a cleaner and took in a lodger.

YABU.

Her point is absolutely valid: it is more expensive to live independently as a single person than as a couple.

So, she's supposed to give up having a dog? Even though she lives on her own and a dog is a good companion and an aid to safety (I have a dog who would guard me from intruders).

Ad I imagine to pull in the salary she earns, she doesn't have much time for domesticity, and no partner to share the load - so a cleaner is probably necessary to enable her to earn what she does.

And because she's single, she should take in a lodger? I know, let's force all of you on benefits to take in a lodger and get rid of your pets. Because, really, what are you complaining about?

She's paying for your benefits, by paying far more tax than a married couple.

People in couples have no.idea. Really you don't

BeHere · 13/03/2025 17:02

True. I have my doubts that this article is genuine, but I'm delighted that there exist people who pay cleaners and dog groomers, and I want them to continue doing so. I know people who do both jobs, that's their living and it matters!

SomethingFun · 13/03/2025 15:21

If she’s spending on dog care, cleaner, gardener etc she’s spending on employing people in her local economy - something which ought to be lauded instead of despised. 100k doesn’t go as far as it should. This woman pays 1000s in tax and then spends the rest in our economy - if she stops spending and sticks it all in her pension it will have a detrimental effect on her local economy and her taxable income would be less. We should want high earners to feel they can spend unless we want to live in a country where we all only spend the bare minimum at large faceless corporations and anything left is squirrelled away ‘just in case’.

PlumpAndDeliciousFatcat · 13/03/2025 14:35

LovingLimePeer · 13/03/2025 10:30

I disagree that I'm easily influenced—if that were the case, my spending habits would likely reflect it.

I follow the economist and the BBC for news. Finance and the economy are personal interests of mine. That said, some of the articles that get pushed to me on Facebook are particularly bizarre, like this one, which is why I found it worth discussing.

You were manipulated into reacting to the article, which was exactly the author's intent. It's alarming if you are unable to see that.

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 13/03/2025 14:24

LovingLimePeer · 13/03/2025 10:30

I disagree that I'm easily influenced—if that were the case, my spending habits would likely reflect it.

I follow the economist and the BBC for news. Finance and the economy are personal interests of mine. That said, some of the articles that get pushed to me on Facebook are particularly bizarre, like this one, which is why I found it worth discussing.

You're not easily influened to spend money, but you're easily manipulated into reacting how trashy tabloids want you to.

LovingLimePeer · 13/03/2025 10:30

Itchywrist · 12/03/2025 19:14

I would focus on getting that therapy OP rather than getting yourself in a tizzy about a DM article written with the sole intention to get easily influenced readers such as yourself in a tizzy

I disagree that I'm easily influenced—if that were the case, my spending habits would likely reflect it.

I follow the economist and the BBC for news. Finance and the economy are personal interests of mine. That said, some of the articles that get pushed to me on Facebook are particularly bizarre, like this one, which is why I found it worth discussing.

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Everanewbie · 13/03/2025 09:12

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 13/03/2025 07:35

Good points about tax differences but £500 on food - that my spend on 4 people. Hello fresh? I could live like a king on £150 and put the rest in a pension.

Yeah that bit sounds odd. Hello Fresh makes meals for 2. Unless she freezes meals I can't see how it works for her anyway. Its been a while since I used Hello Fresh, but I paid c. £30 for 3 x 2 portion meals per week. So 6 meals. That is c. £120 for 24 main meals. Not a bargain, but where is the rest of it going???

Sharptonguedwoman · 13/03/2025 07:55

Novotelchok · 11/03/2025 10:41

Next week's headline - 'mumsnet trolls made my life hell says financially illiterate high earner'

Problem is someone on £100000 with a sensible car, mortgage & food bill makes for a boring article. I am wondering how a dog can cost £650 a month though?

The dog bit is easy. Doggy daycare, stunningly expensive if you use it often. I checked recently here just out of curiosity. £25 per day for one dog/day
Food maybe £50 pm per dog, insurance, vaccinations =expensive animals, dogs.

Josiezu · 13/03/2025 07:52

@tropicalroses I think the point of the article is £100k a year is a lot of money, no one on that sort of salary should be having to budget or cut corners.

This is completely naive though, every income has a budget.

VolcanoJapan · 13/03/2025 07:45

She's tone deaf to real poverty, which is fairly typical of people on larger than average salaries.

Her doggy daycare, food bill, cleaner, gardener for grass cutting, person to do her ironing means she can only afford a few holidays a year. Fine, her choices.

Wondering if just a story to drum up business for her legal work.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 13/03/2025 07:35

Good points about tax differences but £500 on food - that my spend on 4 people. Hello fresh? I could live like a king on £150 and put the rest in a pension.

Everanewbie · 13/03/2025 07:15

£100k brings in £5713 pm assuming no pension contributions or student loan. A basic of £159k is needed to hit £8k pm, again assuming no student loan or pension contributions. That’s a big salary to achieve a relatively modest lifestyle.

Itchywrist · 12/03/2025 19:14

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 14:47

Thanks for response. I probably need all sorts of therapy for other reasons but I'm probably not as worried as I'm making out. We do spend money on some sports/hobbies that we enjoy and had an overseas holiday last year. I just couldn't even contemplate using up all our take-home money for a few months - it would be such a different way of thinking for us as cautious people.

I would focus on getting that therapy OP rather than getting yourself in a tizzy about a DM article written with the sole intention to get easily influenced readers such as yourself in a tizzy

JohnTheRevelator · 12/03/2025 16:54

I think it is a case of the more money you have coming in each month,the more things you find that are 'essential' to spend it on. I mean,if you've got in the region of 8 grand a month coming in,then you're probably going to spend £250 a month on a cleaner,buy expensive food from Waitrose and go on expensive foreign holidays every year. Then when the cost of living starts creeping up (as it has lately) then slowly but surely,those luxuries become unaffordable.

BunnyLake · 12/03/2025 16:18

morningtoncrescent62 · 11/03/2025 12:21

"I take a few holidays each year." That makes you comfortably off.

Yes. I haven’t had a holiday since 2017 because I simply can’t afford one.

KrankyKumquat · 11/03/2025 15:48

No worries @Everanewbie .

Everanewbie · 11/03/2025 15:39

KrankyKumquat · 11/03/2025 15:15

@Everanewbie
How've you leapt to that conclusion? In my line of work, I'm painfully aware of how difficult life is for young people and the ones I know wouldn't be running to the press to tell how they can't afford to live on 100k. They're trying to survive on the £834 you describe as 'only'.
This woman isn't a 'young family'. She's a middle-aged self-employed divorcée with no kids, a 3 bedroom semi, huge garden by the sea and 2 dogs who hasn't managed to make sensible decision about her own future and expects sympathy. Not exactly Cry me a River is it?

Apologies for my assumptions on your post. The person in question does seems to have let her expenditure run away with her to a degree, and I've confused by general point with talking directly about the subject of the article.

But what I see, generically, £100kpa is not the dream life that people may imagine. If I were to shed tears, it would be for the homeless, or those struggling with disabilities, not a single woman on £100k struggling to pay her gardener. But the cost of living, the £100k trap and the freezing of thresholds has meant that £100k doesn't run a family as well as you might think it would. Many people, especially those that are perhaps in their 60s and beyond, don't appreciate how hard it is to hit the heights that they did given the financial climate. I mean, if i hear one more boomer talking about 15% interest rates - it was for a few months on a loan 3-4x the average salary at a time that you were getting inflation busting pay rises!!! The average house price is now 8-10x the average salary with interest rates at 5.5%, sustained, with no immediate prospect of significant cuts.

Katemax82 · 11/03/2025 15:37

westisbest1982 · 11/03/2025 11:41

Spending £750 a month on a car means she’s not the sharpest tool in the box.

My stepson spends about that

angelspike · 11/03/2025 15:26

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 15:15

Yes, earned low £20000s annually working 48 hour weeks with many hours of unpaid overtime. I worked 6am until 11pm for weeks on end at times.

It was hard. Paying for everything I needed as a single person was incredibly hard BUT, my problem is not with what she spends (that is entirely up to her). She has every right to spend whatever she wants on things that I wouldn't choose to and I would never judge anyone for making different choices to me.

My issue is that she has complained to a 'newspaper' about £100000 not even being enough for a single person. It's pretty tone deaf when so many people are struggling. The extra £40000 she feels is needed to reach the point of comfort would not be the solution here. She is very well paid.

I get it. I'm single and earn min wage so I don't know how she thinks I (just about) cope when she can't on nearly 5 x my wage

Badbadbunny · 11/03/2025 15:16

RafaFan · 11/03/2025 15:04

As an accountant, I am always astonished by the amount of people who are really high earners, yet do not save anything, or make use of tax deferral/tax saving options to plan for the future.

Sadly, I'm an accountant and feel the same. Some people just won't listen to reason. There's so much financial incompetence, and education/intelligence doesn't come into it. I've had some very senior/intelligent/educated clients who can only be described as financially incompetent/illiterate, including some very high earning IT consultants (who should be Mathematical wizards given their job and earnings) who not only don't know how to handle money, but don't show any interest when advice is offered and despite earning shedloads of money seem to waste a huge proportion of it due to financial mistakes.

LovingLimePeer · 11/03/2025 15:15

Yes, earned low £20000s annually working 48 hour weeks with many hours of unpaid overtime. I worked 6am until 11pm for weeks on end at times.

It was hard. Paying for everything I needed as a single person was incredibly hard BUT, my problem is not with what she spends (that is entirely up to her). She has every right to spend whatever she wants on things that I wouldn't choose to and I would never judge anyone for making different choices to me.

My issue is that she has complained to a 'newspaper' about £100000 not even being enough for a single person. It's pretty tone deaf when so many people are struggling. The extra £40000 she feels is needed to reach the point of comfort would not be the solution here. She is very well paid.

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KrankyKumquat · 11/03/2025 15:15

@Everanewbie
How've you leapt to that conclusion? In my line of work, I'm painfully aware of how difficult life is for young people and the ones I know wouldn't be running to the press to tell how they can't afford to live on 100k. They're trying to survive on the £834 you describe as 'only'.
This woman isn't a 'young family'. She's a middle-aged self-employed divorcée with no kids, a 3 bedroom semi, huge garden by the sea and 2 dogs who hasn't managed to make sensible decision about her own future and expects sympathy. Not exactly Cry me a River is it?