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To think I'll be a bit of a "loner" for the rest of my life?.

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 08:25

I go through phases, but clearly I like the idea of having friends but not the reality.

I ultimately find friendships complicated (or maybe the only two that I have are), I have no real desire to use my free time to meet new people, and I work remotely so I don't have the daily interaction.

It doesn't help that I've moved quite a bit, (moved the UK 16 years ago) and have worked remotely for the past 13, so I really haven't had the chance to meet anyone through work

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Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 10:26

The NHS is really a post code lottery. I have had pretty poor care but friends have had life saving care. I vent to DH but it is not a subject I raise in public.

Immigration is another hot button topic. I am second gen and DH is first gen. I dont talk about this except to very close
friends. It's a deeply complex issue.

In today's times I think most people want light, fun conversation. Things like cancer scares might be best saved for therapy ( and yes, that too is v hard to access).

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:24

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 10:18

Hmmm..
I am an ethnic minority too. I have some unpopular opinions but I don't always reveal them. I dont see that as masking.

Most political issues are quite complicated, and maybe can't be discussed entirely in a book club or at the theatre. I would look for better venues to discuss those. Maybe a Meetup that discusses current affairs?

I socialise singly because DH is an introvert and his job drains him. He'a happy that way though.

Edited

Maybe, but we're not in a city or any proper urban area (the biggest one is 20k inhabitants but even then I find it small). Mind you my home city has 25 million.

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StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 10:23

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:41

I'm under investigation yes... But some of my interests are niche, and some of my opinions would be too. I find talking about my own DC not boring, but not something I would choose to talk about.

I much prefer talking about current affairs, which in itself is not odd, but not the most common topic at the school gate. I also do tend to have some unpopular opinions, so ultimately I can't be myself.

So make your friends somewhere other than the school gate? Which is just a random cross-section of people who have children aged between 4 and 11. Who are unlikely to be receptive to you fulminating about burning down the NHS, ‘crying wolf’ antisemitism, and the UK being ‘decadent’ and not offering ‘quality of life’ — have you noticed that everything you’ve listed as an ‘unpopular opinion’ is negative?

It may be less that people don’t agree with some or all than that they don’t want to stand listening to diatribes. It’s draining, like listening to Mad Malcolm from next door complaining about the buses not running on time and his gammy leg. Especially if, as your child says, you also make faces a lot.

If you feel strongly about these things, find a way of getting involved in activism, which may put you in the path of kindred spirits, or consider going to live elsewhere, if the UK makes you so vocally unhappy? Is there nothing good that you feel strongly positive about, for instance?

From your posts as a whole, it sounds as if you haven’t ever gone out looking for like-minded friends, and your negativity and inability to make initial small talk are putting off the few people you do meet. DH’s niece’s longtime boyfriend would say similar to you , but the real reason he has no friends is that he sees other people as there to be an audience for his self-congratulatory monologues. He has zero interest in anyone else.

I’ve moved a lot, and one of the first things I do anywhere new is look around me for ways to meet the kind of people I like. Obviously sometimes you’re disappointed, or someone you like isn’t interested, and some places are richer than others in terms of potential friends, but if you want fruends, you will have to put more effort into it, and be more interested in others, rather than complaining about ‘masking’.

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:22

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:18

I totally and 100% would, but I have to travel 3+ hours to find most specialists. What happens is that I simply don't go to the GP (unless it's an emergency/ life or death situation) and for general/chronic care I just wait to fly home and get it sorted out over there.

It took 12 years for the NHS to do anything about my diagnosis (which they didn't BTW) I got fed up and stayed an extended period of time at home and jumped all the necessary hoops over there. It took 12 weeks, not years!

Is your health care free in your home country? Maybe fly those 3 hours for private treatment instead of flying home?

The NHS has given wonderful treatment to so many people who could not have otherwise afforded private. To be honest private can even fail, and has done for a family member of mine, with huge misdiagnosis, which resulted in a prescription of an incorrectly prescribed medication they should have never ever been on in the first place.
I'm delighted I don't live in America with scam insurance companies, and people dying rather than go to hospitals to accumulate huge amounts of debt. The NHS has been deprived of proper funding for years, hopefully this is slowly changing.

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 10:18

Hmmm..
I am an ethnic minority too. I have some unpopular opinions but I don't always reveal them. I dont see that as masking.

Most political issues are quite complicated, and maybe can't be discussed entirely in a book club or at the theatre. I would look for better venues to discuss those. Maybe a Meetup that discusses current affairs?

I socialise singly because DH is an introvert and his job drains him. He'a happy that way though.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:18

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:13

Pay for private than, problem solved! Leave the NHS to the rest of us who appreciate free healthcare. You're derailing your own thread here, or is your aim to make it political under the guise of something else?

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I totally and 100% would, but I have to travel 3+ hours to find most specialists. What happens is that I simply don't go to the GP (unless it's an emergency/ life or death situation) and for general/chronic care I just wait to fly home and get it sorted out over there.

It took 12 years for the NHS to do anything about my diagnosis (which they didn't BTW) I got fed up and stayed an extended period of time at home and jumped all the necessary hoops over there. It took 12 weeks, not years!

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:13

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:03

I just hate the NHS it should be burned down, no excuses. The whole system is crap (I can go on for days on this).

I'm Jewish and I do find that we cry wolf about antisemitism all the time, and that were incredibly hypocritical when it comes to Gaza / the West Bank. (Although I believe Israel has a right to exist as a two-state solution). Believe it or not that's not a very common belief, at least not in my local small community.

Quite frankly the UK is in decadence I really don't know what's the alternative, but I don't think it offers true quality of life.

Benefits are a minefield and they should also have some sort of safety net for the middle class.

Money can definitely buy you happiness, at least get you very close to it.

I definitely love at least one of my dogs the same (but different) as my children.

Pay for private than, problem solved! Leave the NHS to the rest of us who appreciate free healthcare. You're derailing your own thread here, or is your aim to make it political under the guise of something else?

Augustus40 · 10/03/2025 10:05

I enjoy my solitude too. I work from home. I only seem to know men where I live! Three women friends all moved away.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:03

ViciousCurrentBun · 10/03/2025 09:54

There are unpopular opinions and then there are offensive opinions. There is no need to share every single opinion that’s in your head, very few people do. As it’s anonymous on here why not write what you think would be unpopular, try us.

To meet people for any form of lasting relationship means casting your net far and wide. In 6 walking groups I have joined over the last few years I have made 3 really good friends. There were plenty of ok people but we socialise out of the walking group. Am about to introduce husbands and then in the summer my mate who has a newer BF we will be off to the cricket together

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I just hate the NHS it should be burned down, no excuses. The whole system is crap (I can go on for days on this).

I'm Jewish and I do find that we cry wolf about antisemitism all the time, and that were incredibly hypocritical when it comes to Gaza / the West Bank. (Although I believe Israel has a right to exist as a two-state solution). Believe it or not that's not a very common belief, at least not in my local small community.

Quite frankly the UK is in decadence I really don't know what's the alternative, but I don't think it offers true quality of life.

Benefits are a minefield and they should also have some sort of safety net for the middle class.

Money can definitely buy you happiness, at least get you very close to it.

I definitely love at least one of my dogs the same (but different) as my children.

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:54

EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 09:48

@Isitameproblem "I know it's very normal to try and mask according to the circumstances but, what's the point of it really?"

do you mean the sort of normal "oiling the social wheels" so to speak? So the general bit of formal politeness that you need when you initially meet people?

I am currently doing the meeting people thing and I can really see that people find this frustrating. sometimes you can literally see them at the moment where they switch off and give up and can't do it anymore.

I'm actually quite good at it, but I seem to have become an oddity. Which is weird because it makes me feel even more isolated, the fact that people don't have basic social skills anymore. Or maybe they always had them and now they hate using them and they don't feel that they have to hide it anymore? and then I wonder why I bothered to go out and meet people! How @Lentilweaver is coping with putting lots of time into it - I take my hat off to you.

I think you need to really think about whether or not you need to do this. But if you don't actually want friends, I'm not sure why you would put yourself through it.

No friendship is going to arrive 100% ready cooked - so you do have to go through a bit of that in order to find a match, so to speak.

btw you say your current friends don't respect what you've been through. How does that show itself?

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It all started with my birthday last year, she tried to make an effort (that I genuinely didn't want) and ended up imposing herself with my idea of hell.

Then they invited us to some random free film (we hang out as married couples), but we'd need childcare for that (it was a weekday) and they know we only have more flexibility around the weekends.

Or I mentioned how I'd never ever go back to Spain again (been there three times, all three times I've been subject to racist remarks) and then they go on to suggest going there on holiday :/

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 09:54

As long as you're happy, op? This is all that matters. Some peoples social metres get fuller quicker than others, and that's okay. Socialising can be draining and exhausting. Some hate their own company, others like it, and some can be anywhere in between. Everybody has their own "normal." You don't need to conform to society's expectations of what is acceptable. Do what suits you.

ViciousCurrentBun · 10/03/2025 09:54

There are unpopular opinions and then there are offensive opinions. There is no need to share every single opinion that’s in your head, very few people do. As it’s anonymous on here why not write what you think would be unpopular, try us.

To meet people for any form of lasting relationship means casting your net far and wide. In 6 walking groups I have joined over the last few years I have made 3 really good friends. There were plenty of ok people but we socialise out of the walking group. Am about to introduce husbands and then in the summer my mate who has a newer BF we will be off to the cricket together

pearbottomjeans · 10/03/2025 09:50

As long as it’s a choice, and a choice you’re happy with, then cool. Are you looking for approval from others with this thread? Can’t tell.

EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 09:50

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 09:47

So then don't? I don't find most people frustrating or annoying. Some, yes.

Oh and you are not unusual in not talking about your DC. I don't ever. I talk about books, theatre, film, heritage...

That doesnt make me ND! I never mask. I find people who share my niche interests.

Honestly, we need to let go of the idea that everyone is ND if they don't want to talk about their kids or drink or do mainstream stuff.

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This x 100.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:50

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 09:47

So then don't? I don't find most people frustrating or annoying. Some, yes.

Oh and you are not unusual in not talking about your DC. I don't ever. I talk about books, theatre, film, heritage...

That doesnt make me ND! I never mask. I find people who share my niche interests.

Honestly, we need to let go of the idea that everyone is ND if they don't want to talk about their kids or drink or do mainstream stuff.

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I've never been able to, at least not locally.

and to kiss so many "frogs" to see if I can connect with someone, just thinking of it makes me feel frustrated. Also my DC says that I make faces all the time (too transparent) so I have to try to keep a "neutral face".

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EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 09:48

@Isitameproblem "I know it's very normal to try and mask according to the circumstances but, what's the point of it really?"

do you mean the sort of normal "oiling the social wheels" so to speak? So the general bit of formal politeness that you need when you initially meet people?

I am currently doing the meeting people thing and I can really see that people find this frustrating. sometimes you can literally see them at the moment where they switch off and give up and can't do it anymore.

I'm actually quite good at it, but I seem to have become an oddity. Which is weird because it makes me feel even more isolated, the fact that people don't have basic social skills anymore. Or maybe they always had them and now they hate using them and they don't feel that they have to hide it anymore? and then I wonder why I bothered to go out and meet people! How @Lentilweaver is coping with putting lots of time into it - I take my hat off to you.

I think you need to really think about whether or not you need to do this. But if you don't actually want friends, I'm not sure why you would put yourself through it.

No friendship is going to arrive 100% ready cooked - so you do have to go through a bit of that in order to find a match, so to speak.

btw you say your current friends don't respect what you've been through. How does that show itself?

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 09:47

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:30

Yeah but I found the whole idea boring, I find people frustrating, or that I have to be someone I'm not, etc...

I know it's very normal to try and mask according to the circumstances but, what's the point of it really?

So then don't? I don't find most people frustrating or annoying. Some, yes.

Oh and you are not unusual in not talking about your DC. I don't ever. I talk about books, theatre, film, heritage...

That doesnt make me ND! I never mask. I find people who share my niche interests.

Honestly, we need to let go of the idea that everyone is ND if they don't want to talk about their kids or drink or do mainstream stuff.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:41

StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 09:35

But why do you have to ‘be someone you’re not’? Why and what are you ‘masking’ — are you saying you’re neurodivergent?

I'm under investigation yes... But some of my interests are niche, and some of my opinions would be too. I find talking about my own DC not boring, but not something I would choose to talk about.

I much prefer talking about current affairs, which in itself is not odd, but not the most common topic at the school gate. I also do tend to have some unpopular opinions, so ultimately I can't be myself.

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GoldStar2 · 10/03/2025 09:38

Xpost StillLifeWithEggs :)

GoldStar2 · 10/03/2025 09:35

It might be that you have some sort of neuro diversity going on as well. Good luck whatever you decide.

StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 09:35

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:30

Yeah but I found the whole idea boring, I find people frustrating, or that I have to be someone I'm not, etc...

I know it's very normal to try and mask according to the circumstances but, what's the point of it really?

But why do you have to ‘be someone you’re not’? Why and what are you ‘masking’ — are you saying you’re neurodivergent?

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:30

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 09:21

If you want friends you need to work at it like a full time job. I do.
I have also moved around a lot and several of my close friends have moved away or emigrated. I also WFH.
I have joined about 5 clubs ( Meetup, Fb) and I am constantly putting myself out there. It takes time.

Yeah but I found the whole idea boring, I find people frustrating, or that I have to be someone I'm not, etc...

I know it's very normal to try and mask according to the circumstances but, what's the point of it really?

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WinterFoxes · 10/03/2025 09:27

The issues you describe are major. I think lots of people would turn to professional help to really bare their soul about deeply personal problems, and turn to friends to help distract from them or take a break from ruminating about them. As I get older I appreciate superficial friendship more - a quick coffee or dog walk, going to the cinema or having lunch, and using that time to relax and have a laugh. Heart to hearts can burn through the energy in a friendship and make it burdensome, so I rely on counselling for that sort of thing.
Would you feelbetter if you had more casual local friendships? People yo just relax with, nothing too deep, but actually very valuable.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 09:23

GoldStar2 · 10/03/2025 09:12

Are you happy with things the way they are?

But this is the question you haven’t really answered?

If you’re not happy with the way things are then changing it is going to take effort. It’s hard. New friends and social support doesn’t just drop into your lap as you get older.

If you’re not happy and did want to change it then there are two parts to it. One is looking at why you have difficulties with relationships and that might involve accessing some sort of counselling or psychotherapy. The second is the practical side of meeting new people which might involve joining things (Meetup, other local activities, online friending) or making more of existing connections.

But if you’re ok with things as they are then you’re probably not going to want to do that.

The honest answer is that I don't know.

The reality is that I find it more frustrating and stressful trying to keep the friendships afloat than the "benefit" I get from them. One of them I find tiring to navigate what's "polite" and how I don't feel they take my personal circumstances in consideration at all. The other one I never know if it's a true friendship or if there's "some profit" in the back of their mind. (We've bought a couple of things from them).

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Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 09:21

If you want friends you need to work at it like a full time job. I do.
I have also moved around a lot and several of my close friends have moved away or emigrated. I also WFH.
I have joined about 5 clubs ( Meetup, Fb) and I am constantly putting myself out there. It takes time.

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