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To think I'll be a bit of a "loner" for the rest of my life?.

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 08:25

I go through phases, but clearly I like the idea of having friends but not the reality.

I ultimately find friendships complicated (or maybe the only two that I have are), I have no real desire to use my free time to meet new people, and I work remotely so I don't have the daily interaction.

It doesn't help that I've moved quite a bit, (moved the UK 16 years ago) and have worked remotely for the past 13, so I really haven't had the chance to meet anyone through work

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 11:12

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 11:11

I just wanted to clarify that I don't go and say "I want to burn the NHS down" even though it's kind of true. I only say that to people who are canvassing and like to tell me how wonderful it is.

For the most part it's a private matter that only those who are very close to me know. It's not like it comes up in conversation if at all, but you know I definitely feel very strongly about it.

I always think of myself of that Franz Ferdinand that goes and says...

I charm you and tell you
Of the boys I hate, all the girls I hate, all the words I hate
All the clothes I hate, how I'll never be anything I hate
You smile, mention something that you like

I feel like I could come across as that, so instead I just talk about my dog or their lives instead, because "interested is interesting".

Are you from Spain op? I wondered, because I have friends there.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 11:11

I just wanted to clarify that I don't go and say "I want to burn the NHS down" even though it's kind of true. I only say that to people who are canvassing and like to tell me how wonderful it is.

For the most part it's a private matter that only those who are very close to me know. It's not like it comes up in conversation if at all, but you know I definitely feel very strongly about it.

I always think of myself of that Franz Ferdinand that goes and says...

I charm you and tell you
Of the boys I hate, all the girls I hate, all the words I hate
All the clothes I hate, how I'll never be anything I hate
You smile, mention something that you like

I feel like I could come across as that, so instead I just talk about my dog or their lives instead, because "interested is interesting".

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 11:03

EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 10:56

@Isitameproblem re the thing about Spain, I think people genuinely have issues retaining information - even people who care about you simply cannot retain information. Could it be that? I have a really good memory and it took me a while to realise that people would forget important stuff.

For politics, there will be people who agree, but there are certain things that you can't say in public. I also think it's a great shame that people can't just agree to disagree but unfortunately, that's where we seem to be now as a society.

With your other comments, I'd be willing to bet that lots of people love your favourite band and clearly lots of people loved The Substance. I haven't seen it yet.

None of this stuff seems like a big barrier to friendship to me.

I do think that you probably have to meet a hell of a lot of people to make one friend. Or you have to be very lucky. Doesn't sound like you live in a situation where you can meet people randomly?

Yeah possibly! My only "school gate" friend has an inkling for the same type of cinema, but you know I find it hard to figure out when to move it to a cafe/bar/dinner

That's the onus I don't meet people randomly like at all. Speaking of randomly the only other person Ive met in the wild who likes the same band is because I met him at a Subway (that's was 14 years ago!)

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 11:02

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 11:00

But they're not in uni? One is 5 :/

So you chose to have a baby 5 years a go in a country you hate, knowing full well this would prevent you from going back to your home country which you love, okay.

EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 11:01

btw are @Isitameproblem and @Lentilweaver talking about alternate or alternative history and what counts as the latter now?

I just think of my offbeat history reading as ...history...but that's definitely alternative rather than alternate.

I would be pissed off if I met someone who launched into criticising the UK and told off an Aussie guy who launched into that while sitting next to me on the Tube!!

StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 11:01

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:41

I mean it's not terrible, but if I could I wouldn't choose to live here. I've lived away from home for so long, that I don't know what would be the best "fit".

Like I've said, I've worked in isolation and most of the 13 years I've worked here, most of my colleagues weren't British, so I don't necessarily fully understand it as a society, I see it through the eyes of my husband's (and their families).

So ask? Ask British people questions about aspects of UK life you don’t understand, rather than fulminating about the NHS, or complain no one is interested in your ‘niche’ interests?

And what non-British residents in the UK moan about online is a completely different issue to whether you saying you want to burn down the NHS at the school gates is likely to make you potential friend material? Or does ‘not being rude about the country you’ve chosen to live in to its citizens’ come under the heading of ‘masking’ for you too?

I mean, obviously you can criticise a country to people who from there, but when they’re your friends, and in the context of an ongoing conversation. Or, if you want to fulminate why not find some way of making friends with other foreigners?

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 11:00

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:58

Again, you now have the option to leave the UK. Your dc/s are in uni. It seems you're throwing obstacles in the way.

But they're not in uni? One is 5 :/

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:58

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:56

But I pay my taxes?? I'm a high earner too, so I pay way more into it than I actually use it. It's a simple financial fact. If anything I wish I could opt out and not use it, but alas I can't!

I didn't come to take away from your welfare state. Again quite the opposite... When I was made redundant and actually needed some help, I got told I would only get £300, how helpful! Even though again I've paid my fair amount of taxes.

When you balance it out, I've definitely paid more than enough, so if anything the public services are benefiting from my taxes. It goes both ways.

Again, you now have the option to leave the UK. Your dc/s are in uni. It seems you're throwing obstacles in the way.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:56

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:50

You see this irks me. I'm very much in the "if you hate it so much, go home camp (only if you have that option, obviously). Don't further drain our already underfunded, understaffed health service. Which country are you from?

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But I pay my taxes?? I'm a high earner too, so I pay way more into it than I actually use it. It's a simple financial fact. If anything I wish I could opt out and not use it, but alas I can't!

I didn't come to take away from your welfare state. Again quite the opposite... When I was made redundant and actually needed some help, I got told I would only get £300, how helpful! Even though again I've paid my fair amount of taxes.

When you balance it out, I've definitely paid more than enough, so if anything the public services are benefiting from my taxes. It goes both ways.

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EmeraldRoulette · 10/03/2025 10:56

@Isitameproblem re the thing about Spain, I think people genuinely have issues retaining information - even people who care about you simply cannot retain information. Could it be that? I have a really good memory and it took me a while to realise that people would forget important stuff.

For politics, there will be people who agree, but there are certain things that you can't say in public. I also think it's a great shame that people can't just agree to disagree but unfortunately, that's where we seem to be now as a society.

With your other comments, I'd be willing to bet that lots of people love your favourite band and clearly lots of people loved The Substance. I haven't seen it yet.

None of this stuff seems like a big barrier to friendship to me.

I do think that you probably have to meet a hell of a lot of people to make one friend. Or you have to be very lucky. Doesn't sound like you live in a situation where you can meet people randomly?

PenneyFouryourthoughts · 10/03/2025 10:55

I've always had problems maintaining friendships. I'm ok doing things by myself, I'm quiet, but I have strong opinions, but I don't tend to express them. I find the whole thinking of ways to meet up thing tedious. My network is tiny. I'm not in an ethnic minority though. I like doing things my way on my terms. However since getting divorced I think I do need to make more of an effort to join some kind of community. The only thing about not working at friendships is that I will be forgotten if I get ill or die.

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:50

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:48

BTW when I worked at the most cosmopolitan company all foreigners liked to bitch about the UK. In my expat Facebook group at least 70% complain about the NHS those who don't acknowledge it's a postcode lottery.

Just to say it's a fairly common topic to discuss amongst non Brits (IME).

You see this irks me. I'm very much in the "if you hate it so much, go home camp (only if you have that option, obviously). Don't further drain our already underfunded, understaffed health service. Which country are you from?

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:48

BTW when I worked at the most cosmopolitan company all foreigners liked to bitch about the UK. In my expat Facebook group at least 70% complain about the NHS those who don't acknowledge it's a postcode lottery.

Just to say it's a fairly common topic to discuss amongst non Brits (IME).

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:45

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:43

Well, they'll have dual passports, I assume, not really your husband's choice when they're 18, which they will be if in Uni. It doesn't sound like you and your husband are on the same page if you're so unhappy here, and he isn't? You can go back, nothing stopping you. It doesn't matter how long you've been here. You have that option which a lot don't.

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No they actually don't. My first husband would not register at the consulate, so I can't get her a passport. So that's a no-go until she decides she wants it (and does it via a different route).

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:43

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:42

But I can't because a) first husband would not let me, b) second husband doesn't want to be away from his other children, thus waiting til they graduate

Well, they'll have dual passports, I assume, not really your husband's choice when they're 18, which they will be if in Uni. It doesn't sound like you and your husband are on the same page if you're so unhappy here, and he isn't? You can go back, nothing stopping you. It doesn't matter how long you've been here. You have that option which a lot don't.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:42

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:39

You have the option to go back though, if your home country is great, then surely you'd want to take your children there. You sound close to them, similar opinions, etc. A 3 hour flight is short. You wouldn't be far from your adult dcs, who may even want to come with you, if they hate the UK as you do.

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But I can't because a) first husband would not let me, b) second husband doesn't want to be away from his other children, thus waiting til they graduate

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Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:41

StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 10:36

Well, I did the same, in that the NHS didn’t manage to treat a debilitating, ongoing issue over eight years, but as soon as I left the UK, my new GP set things in motion, I had ultrasounds and three day surgeries and now it’s completely fine, and this was despite all this being during Covid.

But I recognised that the NHS is a postcode lottery and that while I was fortunate with where I lived when I gave birth to DS in London, by the time I became ill, I was living in a rural area with a massively overstretched GP surgery. I didn’t stalk about uttering diatribes about burning down the NHS to slight acquaintances at the school gates. Or criticising the UK’s quality of life, which doesn’t come across well from a foreigner, even one who’d been living there for decades. When I realised the place wasn’t working for me any more, I left. I remember the good times, too.

I mean it's not terrible, but if I could I wouldn't choose to live here. I've lived away from home for so long, that I don't know what would be the best "fit".

Like I've said, I've worked in isolation and most of the 13 years I've worked here, most of my colleagues weren't British, so I don't necessarily fully understand it as a society, I see it through the eyes of my husband's (and their families).

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:39

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:36

If I had known about the NHS I would never ever ever have chosen to study my masters here.... That was the domino effect that made me stay... Got pregnant, got married, got divorced, got remarried.

I don't think I'll stay here super long term, but at the same time it's where I've lived my proper adult life, where my children may or may not stay. So I think it would depend on them too if I stay after they graduate from uni or not.

You have the option to go back though, if your home country is great, then surely you'd want to take your children there. You sound close to them, similar opinions, etc. A 3 hour flight is short. You wouldn't be far from your adult dcs, who may even want to come with you, if they hate the UK as you do.

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 10:39

I do have the advantage of being in London admittedly.
Several of my friends love The Sentence.
My DH loves Severance and I am going to watch it soon.
I love alternative history and discuss it while volunteering at a local heritage site.
All these are perfectly ok to talk about, and I would love to talk about them if we ever met!

WhatNoRaisins · 10/03/2025 10:38

Personally I think there are going to be times where even if you work on your social skills, join the groups, try volunteering etc. it still won't work out for you because you don't meet the right people. Loneliness is a problem that doesn't always get solved and the next best thing is learning to live with it.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:36

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:30

Which country are you from? Why did you choose to come to the UK if you evidently dislike so much about it that you want to burn things to the ground?

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If I had known about the NHS I would never ever ever have chosen to study my masters here.... That was the domino effect that made me stay... Got pregnant, got married, got divorced, got remarried.

I don't think I'll stay here super long term, but at the same time it's where I've lived my proper adult life, where my children may or may not stay. So I think it would depend on them too if I stay after they graduate from uni or not.

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StillLifeWithEggs · 10/03/2025 10:36

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:18

I totally and 100% would, but I have to travel 3+ hours to find most specialists. What happens is that I simply don't go to the GP (unless it's an emergency/ life or death situation) and for general/chronic care I just wait to fly home and get it sorted out over there.

It took 12 years for the NHS to do anything about my diagnosis (which they didn't BTW) I got fed up and stayed an extended period of time at home and jumped all the necessary hoops over there. It took 12 weeks, not years!

Well, I did the same, in that the NHS didn’t manage to treat a debilitating, ongoing issue over eight years, but as soon as I left the UK, my new GP set things in motion, I had ultrasounds and three day surgeries and now it’s completely fine, and this was despite all this being during Covid.

But I recognised that the NHS is a postcode lottery and that while I was fortunate with where I lived when I gave birth to DS in London, by the time I became ill, I was living in a rural area with a massively overstretched GP surgery. I didn’t stalk about uttering diatribes about burning down the NHS to slight acquaintances at the school gates. Or criticising the UK’s quality of life, which doesn’t come across well from a foreigner, even one who’d been living there for decades. When I realised the place wasn’t working for me any more, I left. I remember the good times, too.

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:34

Lentilweaver · 10/03/2025 10:26

The NHS is really a post code lottery. I have had pretty poor care but friends have had life saving care. I vent to DH but it is not a subject I raise in public.

Immigration is another hot button topic. I am second gen and DH is first gen. I dont talk about this except to very close
friends. It's a deeply complex issue.

In today's times I think most people want light, fun conversation. Things like cancer scares might be best saved for therapy ( and yes, that too is v hard to access).

I mean I'm fun too, believe me! I really liked watching the Substance (or the A24 film type). I really like alternative history books/films, and anything involving the nuclear era (like Fallout). Or things like transhumanism (i.e. Severance or Pantheon).

I love my music, but it's a bit niche.

I find the most fulfilling and enriching conversations with my 17yo DSS .

I don't think any of the above is particularly niche but I get really INTO it. (The music maybe as I haven't met anyone IRL that likes my favourite band!)

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Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:30

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:26

It is yes! It's a constitutional right, same as education so my Uni was free too (and my parents).

Which country are you from? Why did you choose to come to the UK if you evidently dislike so much about it that you want to burn things to the ground?

Isitameproblem · 10/03/2025 10:26

Psychostates · 10/03/2025 10:22

Is your health care free in your home country? Maybe fly those 3 hours for private treatment instead of flying home?

The NHS has given wonderful treatment to so many people who could not have otherwise afforded private. To be honest private can even fail, and has done for a family member of mine, with huge misdiagnosis, which resulted in a prescription of an incorrectly prescribed medication they should have never ever been on in the first place.
I'm delighted I don't live in America with scam insurance companies, and people dying rather than go to hospitals to accumulate huge amounts of debt. The NHS has been deprived of proper funding for years, hopefully this is slowly changing.

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It is yes! It's a constitutional right, same as education so my Uni was free too (and my parents).

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