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To think the NHS should not be cutting funding for Anorexia and EDs if they are going to be spending ££££ on weight loss jabs

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B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 07:12

Anorexia and ED numbers are soaring. My daughter has battled the disease for 6 years. It kills far quicker than obesity and the sooner it is treated the better the outcome. During the last few years I have witnessed so many parents fighting for treatment and now in some severe cases patients are just being given palliative care.

Most areas are now planning cuts to specialist eating disorder services.

The fact we apparantly have ££££ to spend on weight loss jabs when children and young people are essentially being left to die is not ok and highlights a quick fix medicated approach by the NHS as opposed to longer term MH provision.

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cardibach · 10/03/2025 17:05

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 17:03

There's a lot of discussion about what above inflation or below inflation increases actually mean but it's not a cut, it's an increase in funding, just not a big enough increase

When I get my 'inflationary pay rise' in my public sector job it's never at the rate of inflation, always significantly below. Do you think I should claim I've had a pay cut? No, because that would make me wrong, and a twat. It's a pay rise, just a small one. Same as the increase in funding for EDs.

Actually if your pay rise is below inflation you aren’t a twat to call it a decrease because it is in real terms and that’s why there’s such a crisis in public sector pay just now.
This increase in funding is above inflation. It’s a real terms increase. Still not enough, but it’s not the same as your example.

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 17:05

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:54

So where is the billions caused by obesity going?

Oh my god you're actually resentful that people with blown out joints, heart failure, liver disease and cancer are getting treatment because they brought it on themselves

Fuck me you're not ok

Comedycook · 10/03/2025 17:05

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 17:01

So conditions caused by obesity are treated.But no money for conditions arising from EDs- mental health, physical conditions etc

Honestly op...this isn't some great government conspiracy whereby they want to congratulate everyone who is overweight by generously funding healthcare services for the obese only.

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 17:03

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:49

There's a lot of discussion about what above inflation or below inflation increases actually mean but it's not a cut, it's an increase in funding, just not a big enough increase

When I get my 'inflationary pay rise' in my public sector job it's never at the rate of inflation, always significantly below. Do you think I should claim I've had a pay cut? No, because that would make me wrong, and a twat. It's a pay rise, just a small one. Same as the increase in funding for EDs.

cardibach · 10/03/2025 17:03

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 17:01

So conditions caused by obesity are treated.But no money for conditions arising from EDs- mental health, physical conditions etc

They don’t look at an anorexic and say they won’t treat their physical illnesses. If someone who is/has been anorexic breaks a bone due to osteoporosis they don’t refuse to treat it. If they have a heart condition because of anorexia it’s treated, just the same as the (different) heart conditions caused by obesity. Neither get much in the way of mental health help. You know this.

MummytoE · 10/03/2025 17:03

Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 17:00

Really? You can’t understand that the disease of obesity can cause type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, joint problems, strokes and more. The money isn’t being spent on helping people to lose weight. Do you think the NHS should stop treating fat people with cancer and heart disease? The entire rationale for the new and very limited roll out of Mounjaro is to reduce the burden of obesity-related disease in individuals in the hope of saving the NHS money in the long-term.

This has been pointed out a few times. It's fallen on deaf ears. The Op has decided who is deserving and undeserving of NHS treatment

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 17:01

Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 17:00

Really? You can’t understand that the disease of obesity can cause type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, joint problems, strokes and more. The money isn’t being spent on helping people to lose weight. Do you think the NHS should stop treating fat people with cancer and heart disease? The entire rationale for the new and very limited roll out of Mounjaro is to reduce the burden of obesity-related disease in individuals in the hope of saving the NHS money in the long-term.

So conditions caused by obesity are treated.But no money for conditions arising from EDs- mental health, physical conditions etc

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Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 17:00

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:54

So where is the billions caused by obesity going?

Really? You can’t understand that the disease of obesity can cause type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, joint problems, strokes and more. The money isn’t being spent on helping people to lose weight. Do you think the NHS should stop treating fat people with cancer and heart disease? The entire rationale for the new and very limited roll out of Mounjaro is to reduce the burden of obesity-related disease in individuals in the hope of saving the NHS money in the long-term.

Nameychangington · 10/03/2025 16:59

OP people getting weight loss jabs and people with anorexia aren't enemies. Stop trying to make this about overweight people taking funds from anorexics, it's not true. Even if it was true (it's not) it wouldn't be the patients' fault it's not up to patients how NHS funding is distributed.

There's an unpleasant vein of blaming obese patients for their illness in your posts you might want to think about - people with anorexia are similarly blamed for 'making themselves ill' and I doubt you think that's true so why do you think it's ok to judge obese people the way some others judge anorexics?

Try getting help for a severely unwell bulimic with a healthy BMI, versus an anorexic ( I have family members with many years experience of eating disorders services). It's next to impossible. And that's not anorexic patients fault, is it? Them getting help isn't them getting 'the moon in a stick' (as you said about obese patients) when bulimics get nothing. You are angry clearly but your anger is directed at the wrong target.

MummytoE · 10/03/2025 16:56

Weight loss jags cost on average £175 ISH a month. Even in the small tiny amount of times that the NHS would actually pay for it for someone, surely this is an obvious sound investment.

cardibach · 10/03/2025 16:56

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:54

So where is the billions caused by obesity going?

Mostly treating the conditions arising from it - various cancers and joint issues for example. Type 2 diabetes. All of which will be reduced if we have fewer obese people due to WL medication working. There’ll be more money for EDs (and everything else) with fewer obese people. It’s in your interests to increase the numbers able to get the injections.

RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:56

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:53

It’s a moot point. The sector is already massively underfunded and now services are being cut so far more money needs to go into the sector. There is next to nothing spent on the fallout from Anorexia too. You’re lucky if you can get physical obs done.

Regardless of that, overall spending has increased. There's not enough for Cancer care, not enough for many areas. Maybe 14 years of austerity and cuts are too blame and not 'obese people' might be better to redirect your anger?

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:54

Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 16:53

It is absolutely not true that people get a lot of NHS treatment for their weight. In fact the opposite is true. It’s pretty clear why you refuse to believe this and continue to attack the idea of people getting help.

So where is the billions caused by obesity going?

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B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:53

RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:51

From.your article

"Overall spending is due to go up by 2.9%, with budgets rising in the other areas, but the Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCPsych), which carried out the analysis, said this was too little to cope with increased in demand."

It’s a moot point. The sector is already massively underfunded and now services are being cut so far more money needs to go into the sector. There is next to nothing spent on the fallout from Anorexia too. You’re lucky if you can get physical obs done.

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Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 16:53

It is absolutely not true that people get a lot of NHS treatment for their weight. In fact the opposite is true. It’s pretty clear why you refuse to believe this and continue to attack the idea of people getting help.

RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:53

SilenceInside · 10/03/2025 16:50

@B00kThi3f I can assure you that us dreadful obese people don't get any help from the NHS. Really, not had a single bit of help regarding weight loss whilst being obese for all of my life, starting as a child.

And it isn't a zero sum game, for goodness sake. Money being spent on obesity isn't being taken from ED treatment nor would it be spent on that if treatment programmes were cancelled.

This @B00kThi3f

You are picking at the wrong people. Maybe take your case up with your MP

HowardTJMoon · 10/03/2025 16:52

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:46

That’s a ridiculous thing to say. Obesity costs the NHS £11 billion a year.

SFA for Anorexia and Ed’s!

You started this thread specifically talking about the money the NHS was spending on CYP eating disorders versus the NHS funding weight loss medication. Now it's clear that what you were claiming simply wasn't true, you're attempting to shift the goalposts to talking about the overall costs of obesity. Which is, of course, a cost that the NHS hopes will be significantly reduced by funding weight loss medication.

3/10. Must try harder.

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:52

cardibach · 10/03/2025 16:51

Yes, some areas are cutting it. Various posters have pointed out it’s a postcode lottery and that’s terrible. But overall funding has increased.

Services are being cut because funding is already way too low. Everywhere!

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RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:51

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:49

From.your article

"Overall spending is due to go up by 2.9%, with budgets rising in the other areas, but the Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCPsych), which carried out the analysis, said this was too little to cope with increased in demand."

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:51

RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:50

Not actually true, as has been kindly pointed out to you by several different (polite and patient with you) posters.

So where are the billions of pounds it costs the nhs going then if not on patients themselves?

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cardibach · 10/03/2025 16:51

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:49

Yes, some areas are cutting it. Various posters have pointed out it’s a postcode lottery and that’s terrible. But overall funding has increased.

SilenceInside · 10/03/2025 16:50

@B00kThi3f I can assure you that us dreadful obese people don't get any help from the NHS. Really, not had a single bit of help regarding weight loss whilst being obese for all of my life, starting as a child.

And it isn't a zero sum game, for goodness sake. Money being spent on obesity isn't being taken from ED treatment nor would it be spent on that if treatment programmes were cancelled.

Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 16:50

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:48

Didn’t say that. I do however think treatment for Anorexia and EDS should be a priority and not something that where funding is cut.

Funding isn’t being cut. Funding is going up.

RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:50

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:40

Nope did not say that.The overweight get a lot of help from a lot of departments. Anorexia and EDs get next to nothing and it’s not ok.

Not actually true, as has been kindly pointed out to you by several different (polite and patient with you) posters.

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 16:49

cardibach · 10/03/2025 16:47

@B00kThi3f you seem to be raising the anxiety levels of some posters who need anorexia provision for their children by saying funding is being cut. You haven’t yet acknowledged that that isn’t the case - there’s an above inflation increase in the funding. The funding may very well still be way too little, and the distributions. Post code lottery, and both those things are bad. But funding is categorically not being cut.
And obese people don't get much help either. You’ve been told repeatedly by people who have experienced the service that very few obese people get any help from the NHS at all.

Edited

Wrong!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3rn998ydl2o.amp

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