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To think the NHS should not be cutting funding for Anorexia and EDs if they are going to be spending ££££ on weight loss jabs

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B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 07:12

Anorexia and ED numbers are soaring. My daughter has battled the disease for 6 years. It kills far quicker than obesity and the sooner it is treated the better the outcome. During the last few years I have witnessed so many parents fighting for treatment and now in some severe cases patients are just being given palliative care.

Most areas are now planning cuts to specialist eating disorder services.

The fact we apparantly have ££££ to spend on weight loss jabs when children and young people are essentially being left to die is not ok and highlights a quick fix medicated approach by the NHS as opposed to longer term MH provision.

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B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:48

9ToGoal · 10/03/2025 08:47

So funding should be proportional?

3% to women with anorexia
30% to obese women.

Or 0.2% to anorexic children
19% to obese children

You shouldn’t have one group of patients just being left high and dry whereas another gets everything chucked at it. It’s not ok.

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ScentOfAMoomin · 10/03/2025 08:47

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:37

I don’t notice smokers and drinkers having their services cut.

But you’ve singled out one group of society who should in your opinion not receive NHS help, but who should go private.

Of course it is shocking and horrible that ANY service is cut. We all wish that was not the case.

But you have decided that obese people are the ones you are going to pick on?

9ToGoal · 10/03/2025 08:47

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:36

It needs to be shared around not all put into one group of people.

So funding should be proportional?

3% to women with anorexia
30% to obese women.

Or 0.2% to anorexic children
19% to obese children

Filteredornotfiltered · 10/03/2025 08:45

All of these cuts seem cruel and as if they want to get rid of certain groups of people it’s disgusting

Catza · 10/03/2025 08:45

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:36

It needs to be shared around not all put into one group of people.

What needs to be shared around?
The budget is already shared. There is a local budget and each commissioner is making decisions based on the needs in their local area. The hospital gets a budget and clinical leads are submitting proposals which include cost-benefit analysis. Then each department gets their own pot of funding accordingly.
If there was a jab to fix anorexia, I am fairly certain you would gladly accept it and not question that funding is being pulled from skin cancer surgeries. In the actual fact, these two services are entirely unrelated much like obesity and ED services. Even if the obesity jab cost 1k a week, it still wouldn't cover a week of a specialist ED bed. And it costs much much less.

TourangaLeila · 10/03/2025 08:45

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:30

And so are Anorexia patients. So they can just die then.

Why don't you pay for private treatment for your daughter?

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:44

BobbyBiscuits · 10/03/2025 08:40

The problem.with anorexia is it's incredibly difficult to get rid of fully. Most people have to learn to repress it every single day. But it's not like booze or drugs where you can physically avoid them fully if you have the willpower. You have to face you fear three or more times a day.

The NHS will basically section you and feed you up until you're out of the danger zone, but many people actually don't want to or cannot fully stop that habit so they keep relapsing. And the treatment is scary and only deals with the surface problem which is very low weight.

Osteoporosis is a big problem amongst ED sufferers. Meaning lots of broken bones throughout their lives.

There’s a large amount of ignorance re the condition hence people being left to die. It is treatable!

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B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:44

BobbyBiscuits · 10/03/2025 08:40

The problem.with anorexia is it's incredibly difficult to get rid of fully. Most people have to learn to repress it every single day. But it's not like booze or drugs where you can physically avoid them fully if you have the willpower. You have to face you fear three or more times a day.

The NHS will basically section you and feed you up until you're out of the danger zone, but many people actually don't want to or cannot fully stop that habit so they keep relapsing. And the treatment is scary and only deals with the surface problem which is very low weight.

Osteoporosis is a big problem amongst ED sufferers. Meaning lots of broken bones throughout their lives.

Not entirely true. FBT is effective and the sooner the condition is treated the better the outcome. There are new therapies too. Many patients overcome Anorexia.

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HRTQueen · 10/03/2025 08:43

MH services budgets have been cut drastically in many areas it’s stretched beyond what can be managed by funding and lack of staffing too the issue is the the NHS is broken and much of the money is wasted and poorly managed this don’t new it’s just absolutely critical now

The money for WLI is not being taken out of MH services that is not how the funding works (it’s £112 a month not a week)

of course this feels personal for you but they are separate issues and there are far more concerning issues with NHS funding and how money is spent than a relatively low cost medication

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:42

NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/03/2025 08:41

Weight loss injections are no more a quick fix than getting a woman with AN to eat a sandwich is.

So likely to cost ££££ then.

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Audhdmum · 10/03/2025 08:41

Mental health provision has been inadequate for pretty much all conditions for years, with long waiting lists and patchy services. But that’s a completely separate issue to the very limited introduction of weight loss medication for around 200,000 people over 3 years, all of whom have to have a bmi of over 35 and at least one weight related health condition. By the way the medication costs the NHS £122 a month not a week & that’s for the highest dose. Obesity can be a serious health threat and is a chronic disease that is extremely hard to reverse once it is established. It’s not a mental illness.

FortyElephants · 10/03/2025 08:41

LastHeraldMage · 10/03/2025 08:32

is that correct? I pay approx that a month - and the more expensive ones are around £250? a month not a week

Private prescription costs are different to what the drug companies charge the NHS.

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:41

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 10/03/2025 08:38

Look, I get that you're totally out of your mind with anxiety. Anorexia is an evil illness.

But begrudging other people treatment on the NHS is not the solution. You want people to be forced to pay towards weight loss drugs? So are you also arguing that families should pay towards anorexia support as well? You want fairness, so presumably you'd be willing to put your own hand in your pocket as well?

The NHS is funding weight loss drugs because there is a high return on investment. Ultimately, they save money in the long run. That doesn't mean that they're taking money away from anorexia treatments. It means that they're freeing up more resource in the NHS to spend where it's needed.

By all means, campaign for better ED care. I support you. But don't confuse it with this issue.

Edited

Families contribute towards Anorexia treatment with loss of work and a multitude of other costs. The default treatment is family based therapy which parents administer( if you’re lucky enough to get treatment).

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 10/03/2025 08:41

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:27

It’s not ok. These are children as young as 12 in some cases that we’re talking about. It’s outrageous that services need to be cut for such children and young people whereas apparently we have ££££ for weight loss jabs that just get handed to people as a quick fix. Families are battling to save the lives of their children.

Weight loss injections are no more a quick fix than getting a woman with AN to eat a sandwich is.

Poppyseeds79 · 10/03/2025 08:40

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:36

It needs to be shared around not all put into one group of people.

£122pwk wouldn't even cover the cost of someone with anorexia seeing a therapist on the NHS. It's like taking money away from cervical smear screening to spend it on treatment for people only diagnosed with cervical cancer.

BobbyBiscuits · 10/03/2025 08:40

The problem.with anorexia is it's incredibly difficult to get rid of fully. Most people have to learn to repress it every single day. But it's not like booze or drugs where you can physically avoid them fully if you have the willpower. You have to face you fear three or more times a day.

The NHS will basically section you and feed you up until you're out of the danger zone, but many people actually don't want to or cannot fully stop that habit so they keep relapsing. And the treatment is scary and only deals with the surface problem which is very low weight.

Osteoporosis is a big problem amongst ED sufferers. Meaning lots of broken bones throughout their lives.

UpTheLaganInABubble1 · 10/03/2025 08:40

I agree with you op and I have said similar to you on here before about anorexia being more deadly than obesity. It will fall on some pretty deaf ears though as a lot of people are absolutely fixated on being thin at all costs.

I am so sorry about your dd struggling with it. It is an awful, awful illness.

My sibling is a psychiatric doctor who specialises in eating disorders and I haven't heard anything about cuts yet, but I don't disbelieve you

UnionOfDS9BarStaff · 10/03/2025 08:39

I'm confused where you get the impression that specialist ED services are being cut? It's still a priority area in the NHS Long Term Plan.

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:38

Viviennemary · 10/03/2025 08:36

Weight loss jabs seem to be a quick answer. So I think they should be funded. I don't know enough about anorexia but it seems there are no answers or effective treatment.

This highlights the ignorance on the subject. There absolutely are effective treatments and the sooner they are provided the better the outcome and the lower the cost.

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Iloafyou · 10/03/2025 08:38

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:36

It needs to be shared around not all put into one group of people.

64% of adults in the UK are overweight or obese. It makes sense for the majority to have more funding.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 10/03/2025 08:38

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:29

No I’m not. Why can’t it be a split cost with the money saved from that put towards ED services which are being cut?

Look, I get that you're totally out of your mind with anxiety. Anorexia is an evil illness.

But begrudging other people treatment on the NHS is not the solution. You want people to be forced to pay towards weight loss drugs? So are you also arguing that families should pay towards anorexia support as well? You want fairness, so presumably you'd be willing to put your own hand in your pocket as well?

The NHS is funding weight loss drugs because there is a high return on investment. Ultimately, they save money in the long run. That doesn't mean that they're taking money away from anorexia treatments. It means that they're freeing up more resource in the NHS to spend where it's needed.

By all means, campaign for better ED care. I support you. But don't confuse it with this issue.

Catza · 10/03/2025 08:37

LastHeraldMage · 10/03/2025 08:32

is that correct? I pay approx that a month - and the more expensive ones are around £250? a month not a week

That's the cost to the NHS, not the cost of private medication. So this will include GP consultation and whatever other ho-ha they have to do before prescribing (?bloods).

9ToGoal · 10/03/2025 08:37

The Weight Loss Injections you talk of are very difficult to get on NHS. They are DIABETIC medication in the first place.

They are also cheaper and less dangerousv to the NHS than bariatric surgery, which is often offered first.

Do you think diabetes shouldn't be treated? Causing limb loss and blindness in favour of eating disorders.

B00kThi3f · 10/03/2025 08:37

ScentOfAMoomin · 10/03/2025 08:34

Do you think smokers should personally contribute to their lung cancer treatment costs?

Should drinkers pay for their own liver transplant?

Should an amateur football player pay for the ambulance that scoops him up with his broken leg?

these are all arguably known risks that people choose to indulge in, like overeating.

I don’t notice smokers and drinkers having their services cut.

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Viviennemary · 10/03/2025 08:36

Weight loss jabs seem to be a quick answer. So I think they should be funded. I don't know enough about anorexia but it seems there are no answers or effective treatment.

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