To think the NHS should not be cutting funding for Anorexia and EDs if they are going to be spending ££££ on weight loss jabs

I honestly don't think it's worth anyone continuing to engage on this thread. The OP is clearly deeply traumatised by their experiences and, thus, is looking for a scapegoat. Those people who are overweight are an easy group to shift the blame on as they have been demonised for years as simply lacking self control. OP's rigid mindset will not be changed on an Internet forum and instead will likely require therapy.

I feel very sorry for OP as her experiences sound horrific. But I honestly don't think we are helping her by continuing to allow her avenues to propagate her misguided thinking - all we are doing is helping her to wind herself up even further.

Honestly, I think OP’s history of ED themselves is still colouring their view of obese people.

This.

Get angry about rainbow lanyards and hospitals spending money defending their illegal practice at tribunals.

Complain about the salaries of senior management.

Don't take it out on other people who may also have an eating disorder.

And there it is....

The worthy and the not

Ooh this is a shitty take. Why are you pitting one against the other?

Kindly, @B00kThi3f you really do need therapy. Your thought processes are so rigid, so extreme and so closed to facts / perspectives of others.

Parents of children with any physical, medical, neurodevelopmental or mental health difficulties have negatively impacted work schedules and ability to function. What do you think happens when your asd adolescent is unable to attend school due to anxiety and emotionally based school avoidance? What do you think happens when your toddler gets cancer and needs months if not years of inpatient treatment?

Of course the financial implications on parents is not ok. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t seek therapy for your own misguided views as they will certainly not be helping your daughter recover.

”Gets the moon on a stick”

You seem to be exaggerating somewhat and it isn’t helping your case. A very small number of people with multiple, life threatening diseases are being prescribed an effective drug which saves the NHS a great deal of money.

The vast majority of people with overweight get absolutely nothing, let alone a moon on a stick.

Your bitterness at your situation may well be justified, but lashing out at others who are also seriously ill is not at all a good look.

Best not treat anorexic either, they have a high level of regressing as well.

Making it up as she goes along.

Blatant lie. It's £6.5b as you've already been told. Stop exaggerating by almost doubling the cost to the NHS to suit your own agenda.

Binge eating disorder and night eating syndrome are often associated with gaining weight. These people also are included in obesity costs. Is it only anorexics you think should get treatment for EDs?

(Although those jabs being available relatively easily, even if not always legally, is definitely problematic for a lot of people)
I don't know how to edit but I mean those jabs being available to those who are not obese is an issue - obese people are unwell and need help and treatment. Much more help than they are often provided with.

Funding for obesity services (including weight loss jabs) is definitely not the problem and I worry that you have actually undermined your point by phrasing it like this. (Although those jabs being available relatively easily, even if not always legally, is definitely problematic for a lot of people)

I also think, across (especially child and adolescent) mental health services, investing in early intervention (if we could find the money) would save millions, if not billions in the longer term. I know a child (now 19) who was showing early signs of acute anorexia at age 10 and had an incredible short term, fast-track package of therapy, dietetics, family therapy etc for 6 weeks and full recovered.
If I, and many others, had had access to that at 10 it would have saved hundreds of thousands of pounds on decades of in-patient hospital admissions for months and months at a time as well as all the years I wasn't earning and paying taxes. Speedy, short-term early intervention and prevention (like resilience training in schools) saves money long term.

You clearly completely blame obese people for their condition even though it's a disease. Yet you don't feel the same about anorexia. Interesting.

THIS.

You are conflating two separate issues OP. Why target obese people and not another medical group?

Your use of the word responsibility revealed your utter ignorance regarding obesity.

WL jabs are miles more effective at treating obesity and therefore eliminating the huge array of further issues associated with obesity, than treatment for anorexia.

I'm so sorry for what you are going through but you've really shown your ignorance.

It sounds like you have an unhealthy obsession with fatter people and you said you formally had an ED and your child currently gas one. Obsession with people who have their own battles isn't helpful and it isn't nice. Refocus your anger.

No it doesn't. You just hate fat people because you see them as "opposite" to you/your daughter and your struggles. You don't see obesity as a medical condition, you see it as a moral failing i.e. gluttony for gluttony's sake. As someone up thread said, obese people can just eat less in the same way as your child could just eat more. Not that simple, is it?

There are many, many underfunded NHS services that threaten lives. You are not being singled out in order to fund WLI. There is woefully little support for any mental health condition and this costs lives. There is almost no postpartum support for women and babies. There is barely any help for children with SEND, which has a profound impact on their lives and costs them their independence for life in many cases. The list goes on. And on and on.

You are also very badly informed about the effects and risks of WLI and are spreading misinformation. Have a look at some data. Opinions are not facts, however much you would like the truth to reflect your views.

Right lets put it another way.

YellowCarDisease is killing thousands of people. They suddenly discover a treatment which could change that and save lots of money.

But RedCarDisease sufferers are up in arms because they aren't getting more of a super expensive treatment and therefore think that YellowCarDisease sufferers shouldn't get access to the new treatment as a result and are squealling 'its not fair'.

Even though, roll out of the new treatment of YellowCarDisease might eventually help to free up budget in the NHS so more is available to help RedCarDisease in the long run.

I'm struggling here.

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with others here that you just don't like obese people and are totally focused with your own issues. You are deliberately trying to make a comparision which is totally disgenous and frankly financially illiterate as an argument. And by all accounts inaccurate to boot.

Its not a good look.

I ask because that is the rationale behind who is being given WLI by the NHS as many people have explained. But it sounds like you still don’t agree with WLI being prescribed, and therefore NHS budget saved. So it seems you have a non-financial objection to the NHS prescribing WLI.

OP would you agree with the NHS spending money on WLI if doing so saved the NHS money overall? Or not?

Treatment for anorexia, and all other complex MH conditions, is massively underfunded and in consequence patients have to be extremely unwell to get anything, and that anything may well not be nearly enough. Because the treatments are long term, costly, and have no immediate cost savings for the NHS. We know. That's not the fault of obesity patients. Your anger is misplaced.

The nhs put loads more money into eating disorder teams last year and they took on many more therapists to bring waiting times down. A few of my colleagues left and went and took these jobs and the funding isn't being cut to my knowledge. But yes often the system does fail people I hear you op 🌺

Very little funding is going on WLI's, only those at very high risk, with comorbidities, are prescribed WLI on NHS.

If there was an injection, or an easy treatment for ED's you can bet they would be using it. Anorexia etc are very difficult to treat. No funding is lost to those services for WLI I can promise you. Getting psychological help for being overweight is nigh on impossible.

I have been prescribed Mounjaro because the surgery that could fix me isn't an option - if I had it I would cost much MUCH more in medication I would need to stay alive. Mounjaro seems to work and improve my life quite substantially. I also know I am very very lucky to be receiving it on the NHS, especially 'off label'.

All mental health is hideously underfunded. But it's not the fault of the relatively minimal cost of WLI.

What are the good treatments you think form a fair comparison in terms of funding?

@B00kThi3f I am a compulsive eater, BED sufferer or whatever the term de jour is. I've been this way since a young child. I found the NHS could offer me nothing as regards it.

I went to a support group with BEAT for people with ED. There was a young lady there with such severe anorexia she would walk or run for hours after eating half a biscuit or something like that. Her knees were damaged and she actually needed a knee replacement aged 26. but she had been turned away from our local ED unit because she wasn't in as great a need as others. As for BED, our local ED unit only could take you if you were like 500 pounds. I was at my heaviest about 370. The mental health team assessing me told me I was quite a severe case but not severe enough.

There IS no help available.