I'm trying to flood the 'net with this

Too many dogs in the UK full stop, often badly trained.

YABU and sorry but your post is quite difficult to read and not in a smart way.

If we want to stop so many animals ending up languishing in rescues then the key is to having legal criteria for animal ownership, so that irresponsible people and idiots don’t take on pets they aren’t able to train or look after, not focus some sort of crackdown entirely on every breeder.

It’s not my fault, nor my problem, that some irresponsible people take on pets they can’t properly look after and those pets later end up in rescues. It’s not my responsibility to fix other people’s mistakes. If I’m looking for a pet, I want to know what health tests its parents had and what its breeding looks like, and I want the opportunity to raise and train that pet from scratch. I don’t want to take on the totally unknown quantity of somebody else’s adult animal that they’ve possibly ruined the temperament or health of with poor care and training, I don’t want to have to undo reactivity, separation anxiety, or aggression, and I don’t want a potential ticking timebomb health wise. Whilst you’re entitled to adopt as many rescues as you want, I don’t want a rescue pet.

You lost me at "the 'net".

Is it 1998 again?

I've had a stand off with a breeder over the orchards near me, who considered herself 'caring and responsible', when I confronted her with the stuff I've put here she had no defence and slung her hook'.

I think pps have already said what I feel about this, but the above does not paint you in a good light OP. Confronting people who aren’t breaking the law is just harassment if you continue with it. Do you get told to fuck off quite frequently?

You mention Many Tears but they are not without contraversy and so are other "reputable" Rescues. Legislation around Rescues needs tightening up IMO
I do support the cracking down on breeders, many of them are just awful frankly and The Kennel Club is no guarantee your dog isn't from a puppy farm.
For a variety of reasons some people can't have or don't want a Rescue though.
I would try and ban Rescues from abroad though, there is no need and it can go very wrong

No thank you. It's not my fault that other dog owners are too thick to buy dogs from reputable breeders. I'm not paying for their fuck ups.

You think Many Tears is a good rescue? You're aware that they have contracts with huge puppy farmers in Ireland and buy their ex-breeding dogs and unsold puppies, then sell them for extortionate amounts, keeping the puppy farmers in business?

The rest of your drivel shows a complete lack of education regarding anything dog related.

What?

Do you mean get rid of all breeders?

Where are new dogs going to come from? Labradors? German shepherds? Poodles? Or do you mean get rid of disreputable breeders? Bring in a licensing system? Tell people to try their local rescue centre first?

Whatever point you’re trying to make it isn’t clear or thought through. (To say the least).

We had 2 rescue dogs. This first couldnt settle, he was rehomed as good with children and cats, whether this was the cause of him being so unsettled, i dont know for certain, but im confident it was. Keeping that dog would have been unfair on him, he was anxious, scared all the time, and not a good fit, we returned him to the rescue centre after a month of trying with him in the home he would be rehomed to a more suitablle environment. We then got a second, who, after 3 weeks of seeming like a good fit, randomly out of no where bit my mum to the point she needed surgery and never regained full range of motion in her hand. We returned him to the rescue. We then didnt bother again, instead rehomed a lovely 2 years old collie from a family who were moving abroad, and since then have gotten puppies from reputable breeders. But my experience of recues has maybe unfairly be tainted, but i would never risk my children around a rescued dog whos history you do not know 100%. Breeders have a place.

Flood the internet with what exactly? I've read some pretty incoherent threads this morning but this one takes 1st prize.

It's not as simple as get a rescue dog instead of a puppy from a breeder.

Many rescue dogs have behavioural problems caused by trauma which doesn't always present when in the rescue and only becomes apparent when in their new home.

I have met quite a lot of people with rescue dogs who have a dog that is completely unsuitable foe them and they are in the awful position of not wanting to give the dog up because of the stigma of returning it to the rescue but the dog is so reactive they can't enjoy taking the dog out etc.

It's the breeders breeding Mongrels and giving them a fancy name and charging a fortune, what happened to pure breeds

There was a post very recently from someone who’d adopted from Romania and was struggling with an aggressive dog with behavioural problems she couldn’t solve, despite a lot of effort and expense, and was faced with the horrible prospect of having to PTS. A lot of other people chimed in with similar stories. One of my neighbours adopted from there, and although she loved the dog, it also had very problematic behaviours and I know if she could have turned the clock back she wouldn’t have gone ahead with it.

These rescues are dealing mainly in street dogs. A lot of them don’t seem to do any checks at all and will happily sell you animals that shouldn’t be in family homes. And it is selling. There are obviously some unscrupulous people involved. Not to mention the madness of importing dogs to the UK where we already have plenty of unwanted animals waiting for adoption.

YABVU to be encouraging people to adopt from overseas.

If that’s even the point of this post - couldn’t quite work out the meaning of what you’ve written other than you’ve got beef with a neighbour who’s a breeder and you somehow think this post is going to end dog breeding?!

Very expensive licensing laws and compulsory time consuming dog training courses. If you don’t have the time or the money, you are not suitable to own a dog. Cut off the market and breeders would stop. The ‘rescues’ from abroad are probably far worse than many home grown breeders. So stopping uk breeders without doing anything about the demand for dogs would not help.

I think you will find that people who put research into the most suitable breed for them, select a breeder and wait a year or two for their puppy are not going to toss them away like a disposable toy. People who get puppies and dogs on a whim on the other hand tend not to stick with them when they become an inconvenience.

A good breeder cares for their animals and will always take them back if circumstances change. They will be honest about the temperament of the breed and if they are not suitable for your lifestyle, including kids, cats etc

Puppy farmers should be outlawed. They don't care about their animals and purely breed to produce puppies.

Rescues are a mixed bag (I know friends who have been given reactive dogs with no disclosure from the rescue) and they are not immune from impulse purchases.

Not sure what you are trying to flood the net with - get a Romanian rescue? Absolutely not. Too many half trained dogs not been looked after properly, rescues already full but without homes that are dog appropriate so get a half feral dog from Romania which have been taken from the streets. Once that situation goes pear shaped it ends up on UK rescues picking up the pieces.

Romania rescues only exist to make money - absolutely no real concern for the dog at all.

There are simply too many "problem animals" in rescues and not enough happy, easy, well socialised kittens and puppies that are ready to be good family pets.

Even if you get a kitten from a rescue it can be hard work. My sister got two kittens from a well regarded local rescue. Mum was semi feral so the kittens weren't exposed to people until later than a kitten from a breeder. The rescue had them in foster with a lady who had too many cats to spend enough time intensively handling/socialising the kittens thoroughly & they were not used to children. The rescue wouldn't let them go until 12 weeks and insisted on 2 kittens only, not 1.

This meant a) the kittens were not well socialised - it helps if kittens come from a socialised mother and many rescue kittens don't. b) at 12 weeks it was almost too late for my sister to well socialise them to people. c) the kittens bonded to each other more than the people around them.

My sister & her family are brilliant with timid cats but it took years of work for the cats to be comfortable with her family, and only improved when one died aged 18m and then the other became more sociable. The cat still hides from most visitors.

We got one kitten from a local lady who's cat had an accidental litter. It was a moggy given to us free, she just wanted good homes for them. We got it at 9 weeks. It had lived in a family home with children around and had been well socialised as a result, was happy being stroked & picked up by our children from the outset and still loves them as an adult.

Its worse with dogs. I know lots of people who've had rescue dogs and they ALL have some degree of issues, they are reactive, have health issues, or have traits like guarding or excessive barking that mean they are poor pets.

If you want to 'flood the internet' you're going to need a short and sweet sound bite like 'adopt don't shop' which has already been done.

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No, rescues are there for a reason. It's nearly always their behaviour that's an issue.

Recent changes to the Dangerous Dogs Act means that you can now be prosecuted even if your dog doesn't actually do anything, someone just has to think it might. Taking on a dog with unknown history, unknown triggers, is a very naive thing to do now.

Your "rescue" is a potential criminal conviction.

The days of "rescuing" some poor neglected, abused dog are over. The legislation has ended all that.

When we were ready to introduce a dog to our family we had a cat and primary aged dc.

No rescues were suitable for our setup, and frankly I wouldn't trust a dog with an unknown history. A puppy I could train and know from the get go.

Rescues don't always get it right (look at that RSPCA rescued dog that ripped its new owners arm off) and I was put off from the rescue puppies available often being unsuitable breeds for young families, pitbull faces, doberman/ german shepherd/ malinois/ American bulldog / rottweiler mixes.

Breading needs to be regulated and expensive to pursue to put most people except those who can properly invest in it off doing it and price people who cant afford pets out.

There should be a yearly registration fee for owning a pet (phased in) to fund better regulation of breeding/pet ownership.

I really dislike the 'copy and paste this' mentality. Please write in your own words! Don't just blindly copy and paste anything. Use your God-given brain and intelligence. Even if you 100% agree, write in your own words. Nothing is more off-putting than this mindless churning out of copied posts (often with original grammatical and spelling errors).

Trying to make sense of this stream of conscienceness was hard at 6.30am.
It would have been easier to write:
'Don't buy from dog breeders, but do buy from a charity that isn't really a charity', whivh is rather Oxymoronic - there are good and bad in each camp.

The point is?

Importing dogs from abroad needs to be banned.