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noraheggerty · 09/03/2025 18:50

I'm late 40s. My parents are very eccentric people, and brought me up in an odd way. I was socially isolated except for school, and was not allowed any TV or proper toys (I played with dominos and chess pieces for hours on end) or any junk food etc. I was an only child so no relief from the loneliness. No help when I was struggling socially, just told I should be happy because I'm different (i.e. better) and that the reason for my unhappiness was "in me".

They now live abroad and I see them twice a year for a week or two.

They are not diagnosed with anything (that kind of thing just isn't on their radar) but I am convinced my dad has ASD and my mum probably also has that as well as anxiety/OCD. And both have massive trauma.

They both had extremely controlling parents themselves. My dad's parents (who had their own terrible trauma -- they were refugees) treated him badly and eventually disowned him for leaving their religion. He hates them but doesn't see the irony in his own behaviour.

My mum was raped as a young teen, and I think she completely lost confidence in herself and it never returned. The world is a terrifying place for her. She had other controlling partners before my dad. She has pretty much fallen out with her own family due to religious and political differences. Irony again.

My dad has very little theory of mind and used to constantly deny both my and my mother's reality, experiences, feelings etc as the only ones that exist for him are his own. He still does this to my mum. With me, these days we just barely talk, beyond the shallowest things, unless it's him just monologuing about his special interests. It's sad we have so little connection but at least it avoids having too many reality-denying opportunities.

My mum coddled and smothered me and was highly anxious & terrified of me showing any negative emotion so I learnt to hide it and deny it even to myself. Meanwhile my dad would fly into a rage if I didn't agree with him or kept on asserting my own reality. All I wanted was for him to see me, to hear me, to believe that I existed as a separate being. He'd rant and rave and then send me to my room still unheard & utterly frustrated, and I'd scream for my mum because it felt so unfair but of course she wouldn't dream of "defying" him to come to me.

(At that time she didn't even have her own bank card & he doled out "spending money" to her each month - even when she was the sole earner!!)

Between the two of them the effect was that it took till my late 30s to actually start recognising my own feelings, desires etc and start being able to speak my truth to anyone. I have binge eating disorder and have used drugs and alcohol at various times to cope with my "forbidden" negative emotions. Plus depression and emotional fatigue from turning anger etc in on myself.

I hate spending time with them because it's so triggering. But I don't want to go NC because I hold a lot of affection for them and I don't blame them for the way they are. They are like that because of their trauma and possibly their brain wiring. I don't hate them. In fact I think they are kind-hearted, generous people doing their best. They care a lot for their friends, and for me, but when it comes to me the caring is expressed in a way that I can't really cope with.

They still micromanage me when I am there. They will tell me to put on my coat and carry water, change for the bus etc. They will involve themselves in everything I try to do and tell me how to do it. If I say "I'm going to the shop, would you like anything?" My dad will say "What are you buying? You don't really need that do you? Let me go and get it for you, you might not understand the language" I say "I like to try and speak it" etc and then I'm defending myself feeling like I have to argue with him just to leave the damn flat!!

When I visited them last year, my mum was acting like this when her friend was over and I said "You know, Mum, I'm just gonna go do my thing for a bit" and she turned to her friend and said "She likes to be independent!"

I was 46!!

My dad will tell me again and again what he thinks I should do, long after I have said "thank you for the advice but I'm going to do something different". On one visit I complained to my mum about this, saying how my dad was getting on my nerves. Later I overheard her telling my dad what I'd said and I heard him reply "I don't mind if she finds it annoying. If she doesn't listen the first time I'll just keep telling her".

I have tried to assert my boundaries various times but it always ends in frustration and conflict.

If they lived nearby and I could see them for a few hours at a time I could take it, but they are so far away it has to be at least a week at a time.

Wise women of Mumsnet, do you have any tips on coping with this without getting triggered?

Don't say have therapy. I'm visiting them next week. There isn't time!

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CurrentHun · 07/09/2025 09:45

Oh no didn’t realise this is a zombie thread. Reporting. Hope you’re OK OP

CurrentHun · 07/09/2025 09:44

You sound so self aware OP I hope this will stand you in good stead for the visit. Good luck. Remember, this too shall pass.

Maybe there is a silver lining here in that they don’t live nearby. While you are there, just remember you didn’t cause it, can’t control it and that your parents won’t live forever or remember things accurately (according to their own perception of accuracy). And so if there are things you want to ask them about from the past to gain peace in your own mind, for example, give yourself permission to do so.

And sometimes a long monologue can be an opportunity for you to process this as such, recognise it and then allow yourself to turn your own thoughts to whatever it is you want to be thinking about. You may find you don’t have to be an active listener paying attention to each word. The fact of your presence may be enough.

Very sorry you’re having to manage this.

MakingPlans2025 · 07/09/2025 09:39

Sorry I didn’t realise this was an old thread. OP hope you’re ok.

MakingPlans2025 · 07/09/2025 09:38

The book called The Let Them Theory has really helped me deal with my parents who sound quite similar to yours

Fizzer5 · 07/09/2025 09:34

Their traumas and age make it impossible for them to change even if they could recognise the need for change.
I had a friend, born in Manchester to Polish refugees went to school at age 5 only speaking Polish. He is OK leading a goodish life. His sister has been sectioned.
These traumas can take 3 generations to clear. At your age you need to consolidate your status in your own community. Make the best of what you can do without over taxing yourself. Do not impose ambitions on yourself that are too difficult to achieve.
Time to count your blessings and seek inner contentment for yourself.

noraheggerty · 07/09/2025 09:12

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Nomorethan3 · 06/09/2025 14:51

Op this sounds absolutely awful, and the impact on your adult life with the binge eating, alcohol and drug use, depression….

have you managed to carve out a career? Friendships? A relationship?

Onlycoffee · 10/03/2025 09:20

I have a similar dm and growing up I knew my childhood was very abusive and toxic, but I didn't understand why. I assumed it was because of me, my dm didn't like me or something, but as an adult I've seen it's her anxiety, her own trauma and possibly ASD.

My dm is in another country so like you I have to spend weeks at a time rather than the odd afternoon with her.

It's hard to not feel triggered when the onslaught starts as soon as you walk in the door, but what helps me is a lot of time on my own throughout the day, focusing back on what I know to be true ie her behaviour is driven by extreme anxiety.

It's not me, it's her. Constantly reminding myself of this and aiming to view her and her behaviour through this lens with compassion and understanding.

You obviously already have this compassion and understanding so you just need to constantly remind yourself and bring that awareness into every contact point with them.

It's exhausting so take time to do things you enjoy as well.

noraheggerty · 10/03/2025 09:17

@Lottapianos yes I think you are right, no need (or point) in explaining, just say something like "I like to have my own space".

It will actually be better for them if I do that because I'm pretty sure we'll have much better interactions

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thepariscrimefiles · 10/03/2025 09:02

I agree that further therapy would be useful. I also think you need to start discussing with a therapist what will happen if/when your parents become more frail/unwell and need more care and what will happen when one of them dies.

You are very kind and understanding about your parents' behaviour and you make many more allowances than most people would. You have been able to build a life away from your parents' influence and constant interfering, managing them really well without upsetting or offending them too much. However, some planning for the future will be helpful as I imagine that they will have some very high expectations of you in relation to their future care needs.

noraheggerty · 10/03/2025 08:58

P.S. when I said I thought I'd have more in common with people at grammar school please don't think I'm being snobby! My parents were both teachers & they taught me to read very early & that kind of thing and I really enjoyed academic work so I figured there'd be more people like that at grammar.

Which of course makes it exceptionally weird that my dad didn't want me to go since he brought me up like that, but hey ho, he's a weird guy!

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Lottapianos · 10/03/2025 08:57

'And it would be hard to explain why I want to, because she doesn't have the emotional maturity to understand the reasons. I will consider it though. Perhaps it's time to put my own needs ahead of her feelings in this regard.'

I absolutely hear you, especially about the lack of emotional maturity. Would it help to think that there is no way to ever be 'good enough' or to 'get things right' with your parents? Of course that's a really painful thing, but it can mean that you stop trying to please them, because it can't be done, and you put your own needs first instead.

Would it be possible to decide not to explain why you want to stay elsewhere, but to say something vague if challenged like 'it just works better for me'? I know this stuff is really difficult, but my therapist once said to me 'you don't have to do what they expect you to do' and I found it very liberating

Ddakji · 10/03/2025 08:05

Just seconding lots of the advice you’ve been given (and so sorrry to hear so many have been through similar). The idea of making it a game with yourself is really good. Also - maybe keep an MN thread going to discuss as you go?

You sound a very intelligent, thoughtful, kind person. I hope the trip goes well x

MarioJumbo · 10/03/2025 07:52

@noraheggerty

omg !! My mum was so like this !!

not with a grammar school though - but j wanted to go to a more local school !!

noraheggerty · 10/03/2025 07:49

@MarioJumbo you have my sympathy! I hated school too and begged to move schools, I wanted to go to a grammar school but my dad decided I wouldn't like the travelling (we didn't have a car... of course 🙄). No matter that I pleaded and begged saying I would be more than happy to spend time on buses if it meant a more interesting school & people I'd have more in common with. But no. He decided what I liked & disliked & that was it!

Later in life I told him, "I would have loved to go to that grammar school". He said "No you wouldn't, you wouldn't have been happy anywhere". Thanks dad, love you too!!

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noraheggerty · 10/03/2025 07:39

Thank you everyone, there's some really good advice here.

The bingo thing sounds great, I will certainly do that. I can see how it would provide detachment & humour. Thank you!

Lots of pp are saying to stay elsewhere. I think that's a good idea too. My last therapist (I've had a few) said the same but I couldn't bring myself to do it. It's because of the enmeshment. I'm scared of telling my mum that I want to stay elsewhere in case she feels terrible about her little daughter not wanting to stay in her house and does it mean I don't love her etc.

It's already bad enough with the length of time - I told her I might come for two weeks and she wasn't happy & said it was too short. Too short! Christ!

And it would be hard to explain why I want to, because she doesn't have the emotional maturity to understand the reasons. I will consider it though. Perhaps it's time to put my own needs ahead of her feelings in this regard.

The times it's worked better is when I've gone with another person - my partner came with me once, and my aunt. I'm trying to get my partner to come this time (haven't booked the trip yet because I'm waiting on some medical results so there's still time to persuade him). Having someone else there makes such a massive difference because they aren't just focused on me.

@pescar that seems very similar indeed. It's good to hear from someone with similar experience but also I really feel for you. And congrats on becoming a functioning adult given that start in life.

@RainbowSlimeLab "anything I thought or did that differed to her was just me wanting to be deliberately provocative, it wasnt what I really thought (because me differing to her was simply impossible)" - yes absolutely, this describes it perfectly. I'm sorry you've been through this too.

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TorroFerney · 10/03/2025 07:30

RainbowSlimeLab · 09/03/2025 22:54

I had similar, though to a far lesser extent, with my mum. She was hugely emotionally reliant on me, strongly enmeshed, and anything I thought or did that differed to her was just me wanting to be deliberately provocative, it wasnt what I really thought (because me differing to her was simply impossible). I live far away and saw her rarely.

One thing that got me through was playing bingo. I knew what topics were likely to appear and would award myself points whenever they did. Thus, instead of being annoyed I almost looked forward to the comments. And it allowed me a kind of detachment from the situation.

Good luck, and keep posting here if you need support.

Oh crikey yes bingo is the way. Also not getting emotionally involved in the conversation, observing their behaviour like a social experiment, treating their comments like you would if they were made by an older man/woman on the bus - you’d nod and smile perhaps but wouldn’t be emotionally invested in the conversation or get irritated by it.

we saw my mum at weekend and we had our first bingo square ticked off within ooh four seconds of seeing her.

MarioJumbo · 10/03/2025 07:20

OP even though I was allowed

TV
Junk food
Toys

i can so relate to your experience- I’m an only child too

my were the same - unreasonable and emotionally immature

my mother was an alcoholic who had meltdowns and tantrums when she couldn’t get her own way

i know what to mean about not letting you be your own person etc -

when I was a young adult I told my mom that I hadn’t liked the school I went to - she was so cross and disapproving-

“I chose that school for you!”

I feel a more mature parent would understand a child’s point of view more and that everyone’s entitled to their own opinions

latetothefisting · 10/03/2025 00:11

agree that (long term) more therapy might be beneficial, although tbh I'm amazed at how understanding and 'sorted' you come across given your upbringing.

Agree with other posters, probably the best thing you can do is try to step back from the situation as much as possible, and not take any of it personally. If possible can you see any humour in any of it? Not exactly the same but I've seen on here advice for dealing with snipy MILs etc to play 'bingo' whenever they do/say something rude or weird. Then if your dad says something like 'Don't forget to go to the toilet before you go out,' you can have a little smile to yourself and mentally tick another one off.

Would writing at the end of each day help to 'decompress?' Texting a trusted friend to have a moan, or even just ranting on here would be fine!

Can you invent a friend who lives/is on holiday nearby and whom you can 'meet up with' just to get out of the house when you need a break? Or (if they still don't have internet) pretend you need to do something urgently for work and go to a cafe or something for a few hours.

Plan something nice for yourself to look forward to when you get home as a reward!

Hedgeclutter · 10/03/2025 00:09

You tube has a lot on controlling or narcissistic parents. I’ve found it helpful in that by understanding why they behave like that, I realise it’s not about me. I don’t think you can change them. But you can take a step back and feel less affected by it I think.

SunnyTurtle · 09/03/2025 23:56

I also struggle with my relationship with my mum (and my dad too, but he passed away). I am 39 and the way my mum shows love is very 'transactional' - "give me all your white washing" rather than ever really asking me about my life or how I feel about things (I sometimes think she know absolutely nothing about me). Like you, I know she's like this because of her childhood, but I still find this hard to accept. I also don't think she has ever accepted that I am an adult, and I find being treated like a child really infuriating (e.g. "have you brushed your hair").

It got worse for me when I had my own children because I don't like the way I am when I am around her - I don't like them to see me being snappy and mean in response to her. She's absolutely rubbish with the kids and only interacts with them through buying them things, which I hate too.

I have put some boundaries in place, e.g. I always stay nearby when I go and visit her, then I can manage my time the way I want to. This helped for a while but I'm feeling more and more distanced from her. I also wouldn't want to go NC but sometimes get really fed up with our relationship - I get very little from it.

Would suggest having clear boundaries for yourself about the things that bother you the most (things that you can change). Keep trips short. And as my therapist said to me, don't worry if you revert to a particular behaviour yourself when you're around them - because it's only natural when we are around people we've known since childhood.Beits very hard to change old, ingrained patterns. Be kind to the inner child but remember you're not a child any more and relish being able to say goodbye! X

pescar · 09/03/2025 23:08

Just wanted to say I feel for you, and I could have written much of this myself - odd parents, only child, "it's good to be different," both likely ASD and mum with severe anxiety, VERY enmeshed and don't see me as an independent adult...

I haven't really figured it out either tbh so will be watching the thread closely. It sounds like you are dealing with at least one parent who is from a non-Western cultural background. Both of my parents emigrated in their mid-20s and I've found reading up about culturally sensitive therapy very useful. This approach takes into account that things like setting boundaries or going NC doesn't really "work" the same way in some cultural settings. And that we can hold a lot of affection for parents who are "difficult" because we understand they faced traumas and grew up with a completely different set of rules and expectations than many western parents. Not sure if this applies to you but thought I'd mention it.

Thelnebriati · 09/03/2025 23:02

Look at transactional analysis, they seem to communicate parent to child. They will struggle with any other type of communication from you.

What would happen if you gave them an opportunity to offer advice, in a controlled way? Instead of ''I'm going to the shop, would you like anything' how would they react if you asked 'What's the best shop for me to go to if I wanted to buy X?'

You speak about your parents with such understanding and compassion, you deserve a better relationship with them. If only we could wave a magic wand and fix things!

RainbowSlimeLab · 09/03/2025 22:54

I had similar, though to a far lesser extent, with my mum. She was hugely emotionally reliant on me, strongly enmeshed, and anything I thought or did that differed to her was just me wanting to be deliberately provocative, it wasnt what I really thought (because me differing to her was simply impossible). I live far away and saw her rarely.

One thing that got me through was playing bingo. I knew what topics were likely to appear and would award myself points whenever they did. Thus, instead of being annoyed I almost looked forward to the comments. And it allowed me a kind of detachment from the situation.

Good luck, and keep posting here if you need support.

AlternativeView · 09/03/2025 22:48

I'm sure it's been said but can you stay elsewhere when visiting?

Re your dad I think you could try being more explicit and tackling him head on. Ask him how old he thinks you are, what was he doing at 46.
If someone said they would keep repeating how would he feel. And so on.

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