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Gdpr breach at work?

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Ereerenownow · 08/03/2025 09:32

I've written on here a couple of times about issues at work but now a new problem has arisen, I think.
I an a private person and don't for example celebrate my birthday at work (though I obviously have a great time with friends and family).
Our office is big and busy and many people from different departments hot desk there. One young girl who uses our space has vague links to nhs via her community counselling work. She isn't employed by the nhs but has the logo on her lanyard as well as her charity's logo.
We are relatively friendly and have often chatted briefly in the kitchen while making a cuppa etc. One time she asked my age and birthday and i very politely said that i don't discuss those things at work. It was no big deal and we moved on to talk about other things.
Well this week she approached me with a wink and said, I know how old you are and you look great for your age and I'll give you a card on your birthday now.
I haven't told anyone else in the team my birthday and I don't believe myself and this lady have any friends in common...I am not on any social media.
I suspect she has access to at least some nhs files and databases and I'm worried that she has used her logins to access my records.
She's lovely but quite gossipy and I think she's capable of telling others in my team.
She also very vaguely alluded to a recent health issue I've had but didn't tell anyone about.
I admit given recent events at work, I'm slightly sensitive so I don't want to cause any problems if non exist.
Can I check to see if she's accessed my private nhs records? Am I just being paranoid?

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burnoutbabe · 09/03/2025 07:57

It may not breach Gdpr but it also may be that hr data is stored in a place that can be accessed without appropriate controls.

I get hr data as part of my finance job (so the other 4 senior finance team who approve payroll can also see it saved dowb)

But it's used for that basis only.

So I would raise with hr. Either she found it via a system she shouldn't have access to. Or she accessed that system /asked someone else for data she doesn't need. maybe not all sackable offences but inappropriate really.

If in fact she googled and found out via asking op's external friends that is also inappropriate at work and needs a hr discussion on boundaries. It's slightly bullying to go off and find out something a person doesn't want to speak about (which is not work related) and tell them that you got that information anyway. It's definitely unprofessional.

IainTorontoNSW · 09/03/2025 07:35

@B1indEye "How does ones brother in law know the time of one's birth? I don't even know what time I was born, this thread is quite an eye opener"

He's married to my sister. She worked, back then, four days per week in the butcher-shop with him.

Is your birthdate and birth-time, your mass and length/height at birth not on your mother's hospital discharge card?

I have mine, my daughter's and my son's at my house. (I have photos of all seven of my grandchildren's). Now that I am in my eighth calendar decade on the planet, I am about to offer to let my daughter or daughter-in-law take them as I further downsize my house and space.

Sexisthairdressers · 08/03/2025 23:23

IainTorontoNSW · 08/03/2025 16:38

I don't need the extra waistline or bigger arse of constant birthday cakes and sugary laden slices and biscuits. My last job locations before retirement were on staffs of 38-55 people which means birthday events at work occur with amazing regularity.

When pressed for the date of my birthday, I say I don't give it and I choose to NOT celebrate it.

I take my own morning snack and lunch to work. I prefer to not have friends from my work.

In my last role before retirement, my line manager made it her business to discover my birthday ... so much so that I worked on past my 60th birthday for almost seven and a half weeks. She was "another one" of the four people who did not share her birthday at that workplace.

She telephoned me (out of the blue) about three months after retirement and said she knew my birthday. She revealed what she'd "discovered" and she was spot on ... she knew my birthday, the location of my birth and was within ten minutes of the time I was born.

She, moments later, revealed that she'd discovered the information by pestering her local suburban butcher, my brother-in-law.

She also revealed during the phone call that her own birthday was the same date ... [cue Twilight Zone theme] ... ACTUALLY the exact same day. Further her
birth-time was about 5-10 minutes after mine. We were pretty much identical ages.

She claimed she'd told no one else and said that my secret was safe. Her detective work was self-satisfying, it seems.

She'd really done nothing illegal but, all the same, I realised that in-depth privacy is a bit illusory. We usually have workmates and line-managers who just go along with us when we say we don't want to share "personal info".

That manager sounds very creepy!

B1indEye · 08/03/2025 18:19

IainTorontoNSW · 08/03/2025 16:38

I don't need the extra waistline or bigger arse of constant birthday cakes and sugary laden slices and biscuits. My last job locations before retirement were on staffs of 38-55 people which means birthday events at work occur with amazing regularity.

When pressed for the date of my birthday, I say I don't give it and I choose to NOT celebrate it.

I take my own morning snack and lunch to work. I prefer to not have friends from my work.

In my last role before retirement, my line manager made it her business to discover my birthday ... so much so that I worked on past my 60th birthday for almost seven and a half weeks. She was "another one" of the four people who did not share her birthday at that workplace.

She telephoned me (out of the blue) about three months after retirement and said she knew my birthday. She revealed what she'd "discovered" and she was spot on ... she knew my birthday, the location of my birth and was within ten minutes of the time I was born.

She, moments later, revealed that she'd discovered the information by pestering her local suburban butcher, my brother-in-law.

She also revealed during the phone call that her own birthday was the same date ... [cue Twilight Zone theme] ... ACTUALLY the exact same day. Further her
birth-time was about 5-10 minutes after mine. We were pretty much identical ages.

She claimed she'd told no one else and said that my secret was safe. Her detective work was self-satisfying, it seems.

She'd really done nothing illegal but, all the same, I realised that in-depth privacy is a bit illusory. We usually have workmates and line-managers who just go along with us when we say we don't want to share "personal info".

How does ones brother in law know the time on ones birthday? I don't even know what time I was born, this thread is quite an eye opener

Pussycat22 · 08/03/2025 18:10

Ereerenownow · 08/03/2025 09:57

Thank you, I might at least do some digging around to see what nhs access she has

But you're looking for information about her!!! Could be in the same boat!

ThatGreatMember · 08/03/2025 18:03

Ereerenownow · 08/03/2025 11:12

Hi thanks for all of your messages and support. I'm not sure why some people are calling me weird for not sharing my birthday. I simply dont want people at work to know. Is that really so strange..genuine question?
I'm not tetchy about my age or anything but these people are not my friends...I honestly don't get the pressure from some to share this information.

Edited

Yes, it's really strange.

MistyMountainTop · 08/03/2025 17:23

I was quite happy to give away my dob in my 20s

Once I hit my mid 40s and was working with people younger than me, not so keen!

Age discrimination is a thing, people treat you differently, generally unconsciously but they do.

I have a real birthday and one for websites where they ask for it - I knock about 15 years off on those 😉

LionME · 08/03/2025 17:22

I'm sure finding out peoples birthdays are quite easily accessible.

How?
If you want to reassure the OP it’s really easy and she is making g something out of nothing , you need to tell her how you can find that dirt of information easily.

Neetra30 · 08/03/2025 16:55

I'm sure finding out peoples birthdays are quite easily accessible.
Op, I'm not going to lie, it's a bit odd that you want to hide your age AND your birthday, most people dont do both but guess you have legitimate reasons?
Anyways yes you can report her at the risk of jeopardizing your work relationship and making things awkward for yourself.
I guess if you are an introverted and private person,you wouldn't find this an issue anyway.
I mean IMO I would be flattered that someone is even interested in my birthday- it shows interest

autisticbookworm · 08/03/2025 16:52

It would be more likely she got it from social media than NHS data base. Have you checked your privacy settings? Do you have any mutual friends? Or does she know anyone in real life who could have told her. It's a weird fact to violate GDPR for, she could literally lose her job. And strange that she told you she knew it's like she was getting one over on you for not telling her.

badtimingisrubbish · 08/03/2025 16:46

You can find someone's DOB if they have any records with Companies House. To do that just involves a quick and legal Google search.

I highly doubt she's accessed the OP's NHS records. That's not easy to do, anyone who has to NHS databases has training that makes it very very clear you can only access records that you need to for work purposes, plus when you do try and look up someone you have "no relationship" with it prompts you and you have to say why you are trying to access it

EmmaMaria · 08/03/2025 16:42

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/03/2025 16:35

Interesting. I don't think I have any online accounts which require my DOB as part of the security processes.

I had always been told that it was unwise to use such info, so tbh, I would have some concerns about any sites that relied on this info for security.

I didn't say they rely on it. It is one of the pieces of information some sites ask for, as part of multi-factor ID. One of the sites is one of my banks! Only as part of the secure on-line sign in - on the app it is face/fingerprint. Which I have often thought sounds very secure, but I wonder how secure it would be if pushed. But maybe I have just seen too many of those films where the baddy gets in using a lifted fingerprint ....

ThatsNotMyTeen · 08/03/2025 16:42

sounds like she has snooped somewhere she shouldn’t but you also sound a bit odd OP

IainTorontoNSW · 08/03/2025 16:38

I don't need the extra waistline or bigger arse of constant birthday cakes and sugary laden slices and biscuits. My last job locations before retirement were on staffs of 38-55 people which means birthday events at work occur with amazing regularity.

When pressed for the date of my birthday, I say I don't give it and I choose to NOT celebrate it.

I take my own morning snack and lunch to work. I prefer to not have friends from my work.

In my last role before retirement, my line manager made it her business to discover my birthday ... so much so that I worked on past my 60th birthday for almost seven and a half weeks. She was "another one" of the four people who did not share her birthday at that workplace.

She telephoned me (out of the blue) about three months after retirement and said she knew my birthday. She revealed what she'd "discovered" and she was spot on ... she knew my birthday, the location of my birth and was within ten minutes of the time I was born.

She, moments later, revealed that she'd discovered the information by pestering her local suburban butcher, my brother-in-law.

She also revealed during the phone call that her own birthday was the same date ... [cue Twilight Zone theme] ... ACTUALLY the exact same day. Further her
birth-time was about 5-10 minutes after mine. We were pretty much identical ages.

She claimed she'd told no one else and said that my secret was safe. Her detective work was self-satisfying, it seems.

She'd really done nothing illegal but, all the same, I realised that in-depth privacy is a bit illusory. We usually have workmates and line-managers who just go along with us when we say we don't want to share "personal info".

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/03/2025 16:35

EmmaMaria · 08/03/2025 16:17

Not if it's one of several gateways. Several sites I use also ask for it.

Interesting. I don't think I have any online accounts which require my DOB as part of the security processes.

I had always been told that it was unwise to use such info, so tbh, I would have some concerns about any sites that relied on this info for security.

Butchyrestingface · 08/03/2025 16:30

LionME · 08/03/2025 16:26

How??

I mean that was the OP question right? She wondered how that colleague got those details (I’d also want to know why in earth she thinks it’s ok to push to want to offer a card etc…to someone who does p her best to NOT be involved in that sort of things) .

So if you think it’s that easy to get the info, it would be a great idea to explain how. Knowing her team doesn’t know btw….

Have you read the thread? It’s already been explained by several posters.

godmum56 · 08/03/2025 16:29

EmmaMaria · 08/03/2025 16:00

Or, bearing in mind that the OP doesn't seem to get on with most people including the manager, she may let the OP hang herself and seal her fate. This person doesn't work for the NHS so it is highly unlikely that she accessed the information via NHS systems; and there is currently no evidence at all that there is a GDPR breach of any kind, anywhere.

So the OP makes an unevidenced unsupported serious allegation (serious enough to get someone sacked) and then the other person is investigated. Her response is "FFS I just wanted to be nice and give her a birthday card and hoped it'd help her to get on witha few people, she seems lonely and quiet, just wanted her to feel part of the team, and her mate Bianca / cousin Sally (insert someone other reasonable explanation) that she used to work with remembered her DOB and told me..."

OP is now accused of bullying and lying, and facing her own investigation whilst her team mates are furious that their mate has been put through this....

The OP needs to be very very careful that she does not make a bad mistake over a birthday card.

Finding out information about people is much easier than anyone thinks. My friend, now married to the guy, when OLD had me as her "backup and personal investigator". She told her now husband that I check out her dates to make sure they are above board. He told her "good luck with that as he has no social media or online presence". She told me. 20 minutes later I texted her to ask him how he enjoyed living in Japan, told her where he was born, and his best mates name. I literally got that in 20 minutes on google - no access to personal data required. People leave lots of information "lying around" even when they think they haven't.

I woudn't say you couldn't find me online but I think it would be difficult.

Ebeneser · 08/03/2025 16:28

I wouldn't say it was weird for not wanting to disclose your birthday, but it is certainly unusual.

There's also nothing wrong with wanting to separate work and private lives, but some people seem a bit militant about that. I keep my work and private life relatively separate, but I've been where I work for a very long time so my work colleagues who have also worked there for a long time will have an idea of my general age and relationship status given I went off on maternity leave etc.

OPs colleague has clearly crossed a boundary by going out of her way to get information OP didn't want her to know. Whether this is worth bothering with depends on how the colleague has got this information.

LadyAsnowt · 08/03/2025 16:26

SwedishEdith · 08/03/2025 10:56

The simplest solution is to not be so weird about your birthday.

I'm "weird" about my birthday because it happens to be the anniversary of my sister's death. I don't share the date with colleagues because I don't want some forced office jollification. I prefer to deal with the day in my own way and I don't see why I should have to explain any of this to all and sundry. If that makes me weird, so be it.

LionME · 08/03/2025 16:26

Butchyrestingface · 08/03/2025 16:23

I agree with the posters who think it’s all the cloak-and-dagger stuff about OP not revealing her birthday is a bit high octane drama. The fact she refers to an adult colleague as a “young girl” makes me think OP is sensitive about her age.

But there are ways to find out a person’s DoB without breaching GDPR - though why anyone would want to go all that faff is beyond me.

How??

I mean that was the OP question right? She wondered how that colleague got those details (I’d also want to know why in earth she thinks it’s ok to push to want to offer a card etc…to someone who does p her best to NOT be involved in that sort of things) .

So if you think it’s that easy to get the info, it would be a great idea to explain how. Knowing her team doesn’t know btw….

Butchyrestingface · 08/03/2025 16:23

I agree with the posters who think it’s all the cloak-and-dagger stuff about OP not revealing her birthday is a bit high octane drama. The fact she refers to an adult colleague as a “young girl” makes me think OP is sensitive about her age.

But there are ways to find out a person’s DoB without breaching GDPR - though why anyone would want to go all that faff is beyond me.

StumbleInTheDebris · 08/03/2025 16:18

lechatnoir · 08/03/2025 13:30

Yes it is strange, you are spending significant parts of your life with these people so whilst I get not sharing details of medical info, relationships, or personal info even year of birth, the day your birthday falls on is hardly sensitive deeply ffs and people just might want to say happy birthday. Seriously weird.

That said, now it’s got 5is far I would however want to know how she got this info. My guess is HR

But the date and year is what the colleague asked for.

EmmaMaria · 08/03/2025 16:17

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/03/2025 16:14

Aren't people generally advised against using DOB as part of any security info?

Not if it's one of several gateways. Several sites I use also ask for it.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/03/2025 16:14

godmum56 · 08/03/2025 16:12

my birthdate is part of security information on many of the websites I use.

Aren't people generally advised against using DOB as part of any security info?

godmum56 · 08/03/2025 16:12

MolkosTeenageAngst · 08/03/2025 12:51

It does seem strange not to want people to know tbh, it’s not like it’s particularly private or sensitive information. I can understand wanting to keep your personal life such as marriage status, relationship with family, financial situation, health etc private from colleagues but not wanting to share your birthday seems a bit ott. I would say a birthday is just a fact and isn’t really something you are likely to be judged on, I would think a colleague strange if they were purposefully keeping theirs secret tbh.

Edited

my birthdate is part of security information on many of the websites I use.