Page 5 | To think this is the beginning of the end for Reform

PandoraSox · 2025-03-07T19:06:41+00:00

Eight months in and the Reform UK Parliamentary party is disintegrating. Lowe has now had the whip removed.

Chuchoter · 07/03/2025 19:56

Rupert is a lovely man. He has categorically denied any wrongdoing.

To think this is the beginning of the end for Reform

placemats · 07/03/2025 19:54

BMW6 · 07/03/2025 19:45

Well I'm not a Reform supporter but surely you're making mountains out of molehills here!

One guy gets booted out for bullying 2 women and threats of violence directed at 1 man - quite rightly if the accusations are true - yet you are somehow inflating it to a Reform collapse and all being at each others throats!

I don't follow your logic here.

Lowe has the support from Multi- billionaire Musk. Farage gets very jealous. Calls it in (even though he doesn't give a shit about safeguarding and safety in work places) and gets what he thinks is a win.

When it's actually a loss because of own goals.

LongDarkTeatime · 07/03/2025 19:51

We can but hope. They are the short cut to ending up a vassal state of Russia, like the USA.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:49

BansheeOfTheSouth · 07/03/2025 19:46

Have you seen the Tory infighting? They haven't gone anywhere

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Did you not notice what happened last July? Plus they are not a fledgling party with only 5, sorry 4, MPs!

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ArtTheClown · 07/03/2025 19:48

What happened to the prospect of Musk funding Reform? That may be very dead in the water as he is a fan of Lowe.

He and Musk recently fell out (Farage, that is). Musk said he should resign as he doesn't have what it takes. This was round about the end of the year I think.

One guy gets booted out for bullying 2 women and threats of violence directed at 1 man - quite rightly if the accusations are true - yet you are somehow inflating it to a Reform collapse and all being at each others throats!

He's hugely popular though - by far their most popular MP.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:47

BMW6 · 07/03/2025 19:45

Well I'm not a Reform supporter but surely you're making mountains out of molehills here!

One guy gets booted out for bullying 2 women and threats of violence directed at 1 man - quite rightly if the accusations are true - yet you are somehow inflating it to a Reform collapse and all being at each others throats!

I don't follow your logic here.

Read the previous posts. This is infighting.

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BansheeOfTheSouth · 07/03/2025 19:46

PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:37

I think you are missing the point. The Parliamentary party is beginning to turn on each other. I reckon Farage feels threatened by Lowe's mystifying popularity.

If the party collapses due to infighting, then that's the end of Reform.

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Have you seen the Tory infighting? They haven't gone anywhere

BMW6 · 07/03/2025 19:45

Well I'm not a Reform supporter but surely you're making mountains out of molehills here!

One guy gets booted out for bullying 2 women and threats of violence directed at 1 man - quite rightly if the accusations are true - yet you are somehow inflating it to a Reform collapse and all being at each others throats!

I don't follow your logic here.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:45

What happened to the prospect of Musk funding Reform? That may be very dead in the water as he is a fan of Lowe.

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Velmy · 07/03/2025 19:43

BansheeOfTheSouth · 07/03/2025 19:32

Other parties are still going after having serving MPs arrested and some even convicted of sexual assault. They didn't remove the whip for allegations or proof of bullying or sexual harassment either.

IMO removing the whip for this is a positive thing for Reform. Respect to them for doing it.

Still find most of them abhorrent but can't see why this would be bad for them.

Because they've done it - quite suspiciously - a day after he came out and publicly slated Farage.

ArtTheClown · 07/03/2025 19:43

Lowe is getting a huge amount of SM support, whereas most Reform supporters seem furious with Farage. The consensus seems to be that the accusations are trumped up to oust the too-popular Lowe from Reform.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:41

Warmhandscoldheart · 07/03/2025 19:40

Farage is going after Lowe because he's questioning how things are being run within the Reform party. Lowe has stated he's not been allowed to attend meetings and has been sidelined on decision making.

I didn't know that. Interesting.

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IdaGlossop · 07/03/2025 19:41

Support for Reform seems to be levelling off. This fiasco, which somehow feels inevitable, won't boost membership. Those who paid the £25 membership fee are now looking at their cash being pushed in the direction of a KC.

Warmhandscoldheart · 07/03/2025 19:40

Farage is going after Lowe because he's questioning how things are being run within the Reform party. Lowe has stated he's not been allowed to attend meetings and has been sidelined on decision making.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:38

WhereIsMyLight · 07/03/2025 19:37

I get the hope but honestly with Trump in power, Musk driving right wing hate, right wing politics on the rise across Europe… if the party collapses those voices are still going to get air time. They are going to be swept up with something else, it’ll just have a different name and different branding.

I think it’s probably best that Reform doesn’t collapse as at least that’s the devil you know.

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Hmm. Maybe.

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BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 19:38

WhereIsMyLight · 07/03/2025 19:27

No, I can see that. My point is that Nigel Farage, who is the face of Reform, has a record of shitty behaviour. It didn’t stop him being elected as an MP. Or been seen as the face of Reform. Or Reform gaining the traction that have.

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It took him seven goes to get elected though.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:37

BansheeOfTheSouth · 07/03/2025 19:32

Other parties are still going after having serving MPs arrested and some even convicted of sexual assault. They didn't remove the whip for allegations or proof of bullying or sexual harassment either.

IMO removing the whip for this is a positive thing for Reform. Respect to them for doing it.

Still find most of them abhorrent but can't see why this would be bad for them.

I think you are missing the point. The Parliamentary party is beginning to turn on each other. I reckon Farage feels threatened by Lowe's mystifying popularity.

If the party collapses due to infighting, then that's the end of Reform.

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WhereIsMyLight · 07/03/2025 19:37

PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:32

I agree Reform supporters don't care about the shitty behaviour of its MPs. But if the party itself collapses due to infighting, then that is a moot point.

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I get the hope but honestly with Trump in power, Musk driving right wing hate, right wing politics on the rise across Europe… if the party collapses those voices are still going to get air time. They are going to be swept up with something else, it’ll just have a different name and different branding.

I think it’s probably best that Reform doesn’t collapse as at least that’s the devil you know.

placemats · 07/03/2025 19:32

Farage had been the face of many Party's @WhereIsMyLight

None have been a success. His Party is but a blip now in Parliament. However Reform does get a lot of media attention and voice. Money talks.

BansheeOfTheSouth · 07/03/2025 19:32

Other parties are still going after having serving MPs arrested and some even convicted of sexual assault. They didn't remove the whip for allegations or proof of bullying or sexual harassment either.

IMO removing the whip for this is a positive thing for Reform. Respect to them for doing it.

Still find most of them abhorrent but can't see why this would be bad for them.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:32

WhereIsMyLight · 07/03/2025 19:27

No, I can see that. My point is that Nigel Farage, who is the face of Reform, has a record of shitty behaviour. It didn’t stop him being elected as an MP. Or been seen as the face of Reform. Or Reform gaining the traction that have.

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I agree Reform supporters don't care about the shitty behaviour of its MPs. But if the party itself collapses due to infighting, then that is a moot point.

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528htz · 07/03/2025 19:32

They're far right, they're in bed with Russia and they're not politicians and would never have a clue how to run a government. They'd also be a disaster for the economy. I sincerely hope they disappear as this country has enough to deal with and I can't see things improving over the next few years due to Russia and the toxic orange slug.

MayaPinion · 07/03/2025 19:31

Reform voters know exactly what they’re voting for. To them this is probably just banter in the style of Sid James that got a bit out of hand. If anything I imagine many of them enjoy a bit of misogyny- keeps the women in their places, wot wot?

Badbadbunny · 07/03/2025 19:31

It's not the end of a "Reform" style party. It may regroup, it may reform, it may survive, but the fact is that there are an ever increasing number of voters who want change and have lost faith in the "two cheeks of the same arse" currently political system. They're going to vote for whatever party comes up with genuine differences which they feel will improve their lot. It's exactly why the Brexit vote happened - i.e. for a lot of voters it was a kick up the arse to the Tories and Labour who both wanted to Remain. Both the main parties need to really think about the growing discontent (not just in the UK, but in Europe too) with the status quo political parties.

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PandoraSox · 07/03/2025 19:30

WhereIsMyLight · 07/03/2025 19:27

UKIP collapsed and along came Reform. If Reform collapses another shitty thing takes it place.

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I think that could happen. It is not really the Reform Party, but the Farage party. I think Farage feels threatened by Lowe, who seems popular, especially with Musk.

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